Alrighty then. What if the red line were a null fire zone where weapons damage didn't exist? Same way you can't snipe at people from MCC anymore, just extended to the entire R/L. Do you think that would help?

Sigh, its people like you that almost got the assault dropship removed. I really like the assault dropships role, its a fast agile and hard hitting dropship. Good at getting a skilled shock team to a point and provide a little overwatch. It is also good at scouting out positions.
I envision gunships to be a dedicated anti tank vehicle with a gunner manning a chin mounted anti infantry gun. While the pilot uses a rack of missiles or rail guns. It will be a vehicle killer and nothing more.
The difference between the two is that an assault dropship is still designed to have the versatility of a dropship, what I mean by that is it drops shock troopers to capture or reinforce points. Its a great role and is very fun to play after you have been flying for as long as I have. I hate it when tankers talk about the assault dropship this way, especially when they don't fly, or only fly military dropships.

Because many people are finding their enjoyment of the game ruined by an unfair game mechanic. You may want to dismiss unfair things that cause people to feel badly treated, but i won't.

Railguns have been insane for what? a week? two? try living with that for 10 - 20 weeks like scouts had to with the AA buff and sadly some of the best scouts in the game have given up due to this so i do understand the issue.

I think to be honest im getting really tired of this game endlessly being a thread fest about nerfing stuff (not aimed at OP). I dont recall seeing this in eve as much at all and it freed up CCP to just continue making a great game.

Even if I agree with everything on this matter about the rail gun, I must say my grimsnes is quite hard to take down even for a rail tank. However it has no guns fitted at al butt crasy reps/armor/hardness/shieldbost/afterburner.

The counter is many time not to fly strait up I fly low/fast and slalom around buildings. It workes as I want it a armor personal carrier ( I but uplinks al over the map also ).

The one thing that that I notice is hovering Assult DP pilots over a point harasing the blues.
Then I just fly to a high spot/land call in a rail shoot em down recall tank and fly off into the sunset.

My point is that if you are a aircraft the speed and movement is your best defence, idk sometimes I feel like droship pilots wants to be flying tanks.

With that said rails are still broken, but if they are removed droppships will be OP

Sorry 4 my bad English

Regards

I'd be more than happy to see them gain a lot more elevation with their turrets if there was something that stopped them from firing outside of the redline, though I think just increasing base damage and adding falloff damage to railguns, forge guns, and sniper rifles. That would basically solve red line problems and tower forge gunners almost instantly.

If you haven't seen many "nerf this" threads in the Eve forums, you haven't been around very long.

And that's one of the OP's tactics in game. I've seen it myself. To hover and harass blues. So I don't understand. Someone found a way to take you out and you're upset about it? I call it due justice. The only thing broken is folks ability to understand that for every action there's a counter action. Don't get mad when that counter happens to you.

Even if I agree with everything on this matter about the rail gun, I must say my grimsnes is quite hard to take down even for a rail tank. However it has no guns fitted at al butt crasy reps/armor/hardness/shieldbost/afterburner.

The counter is many time not to fly strait up I fly low/fast and slalom around buildings. It workes as I want it a armor personal carrier ( I but uplinks al over the map also ).

The one thing that that I notice is hovering Assult DP pilots over a point harasing the blues.
Then I just fly to a high spot/land call in a rail shoot em down recall tank and fly off into the sunset.

My point is that if you are a aircraft the speed and movement is your best defence, idk sometimes I feel like droship pilots wants to be flying tanks.

With that said rails are still broken

I haven't been flying until recently now some of my skills are back up but I agree, Railguns are a big problem, not just for DS's but for fair all players.

The same can be said for snipers.

The problem is simple - The redline. We need it for deployment. We need a staging area. Fine.
Being able to shoot from the redline without any effective counter is fundamentally detrimental to the game. There is no risk - reward system. They are completely untouchable.

We should be able to use skill and tactics to locate distant threats, outmanoeuvre them and then bring them into a situation where we are rewarded for our clever gameplay by turning the tables on our attackers.

We need a mechanic that encourages players to engage fully onto the field. Perhaps a better reward system or a reduced damage from the redline. To get them out of hiding and make them fair game for all players.

so anyone who isn't moving 50 mph always dies? the only way to attack is to be still, and air vehicles are the easiest targets of all, even moving fast a AFG hits you.

First rails are broken lets agree on that.

Second the droppships as there is now dont fill the role they should have ( getting ppl in and out of hit spots and support ( if you read the description of em any way.

At some maps they are almost useless due to the size ( to smal maps )
I am stating that the droppship will shine when/if we get bigger maps.
Me personally I shine ( in my dp) on that new big map where u have a rail or whatever it is that goes throw the hole map.
Again I c other Dp pilots hovering over a point and getting smacked by rails instantly. I on the other hand fly low/fast and constantly moving. I normally survive a hole game on that map when in my Dp.


Idk I just don't want them to be flying tanks. As they can be and they ARE if there is no rails in the game.

Again rails are broken and need to go or have a major overhaul, I suggest the latest.

Regards

Making rails much harder to fit would probably fix them.

well piraten ol friend , I wouldn't be 2 shotting your dropships on sight if you weren't going to fly to the highest points and spam uplinks and hives , rail tanks are currently the only thing that stops you from flying your ds to the highest points that are inaccessible by any other means might I add , to spam droplinks and hives as I said. you do this all the tome ant the only counter is to shoot you down on sight plain and simple , I noticed you don't do it any more when your pitted up against me

People like me? The reason I disliked it and have disliked it since it's creation is the fact that it's like CCP saying "We're not bothering with gunships for now, so here's a Dropship with a turret stuck to the front", I found it lacked in everyway and wasn't what I'd hoped for when I was piloting. Oh and just to let you know, my sig is "Vehicle Specialist" for a reason, I flew Dropships alongside some of the best pilots, my original intention was to be a gunship pilot with my buds, we were all going to go and create a Vehicle group and work on tactics with one another, quickly fell apart due to Missiles winning all the time. The only reason I've stopped piloting is trying it with a KB/M is ridiculous and I've busted my DS3.

I will always maintain that Dropships should be DROPSHIPS, for troop deployment and evac, the side gunners being mostly used for covering Infantry as the ship comes in to pick them up or covering them as they deployed. I always believed the Dropship should be bulky and slow, but have a massive tank, being as difficult, if not more difficult, to destroy than a HAV. I had hoped by release the Gunships would've been out and ready for pilots, it'd be pretty much the same as an ADS, but not be a small turret stuck to the front and it'd be weaker than the envisioned Dropship, but faster and have more damage output.

I've enjoyed flying Dropships, the ADS was a breath of fresh air and trying to formation fly with FACES and Foxhound was hilarious and quite enjoyable, still dislike it due to CCP pretending a Dropship is the same thing as a gunship though. So please, don't class me as "just a tanker" who did nothing else but tank, I drive all vehicles, it is my intention to master, or atleast become proficient in every vehicle in the game.

Exactly.

Fix it for snipers too, I don't really care. Only bad people complain about red line snipers since, forever ago, because they don't cause anywhere near as much havoc as red line rail tanks do.

Give rail technology fall off damage, problem solved

And that's one of the OP's tactics in game. I've seen it myself. To hover and harass blues. So I don't understand. Someone found a way to take you out and you're upset about it? I call it due justice. The only thing broken is folks ability to understand that for every action there's a counter action. Don't get mad when that counter happens to you.

So here is what I think an Assault Dropship is for,

During Combat it is Highly likely to require troops to be dropped into a contested zone, often in to areas with little cover, its here the assault dropship is useful, available to provide covering fire while troops find a safe location, the assault dropship isn't made for marathons of combat, instead often relying on gunship or fighter escort to successfully transport its cargo.

Does that sound right?
Is that how they should be / are being used?

It reads as if people just want the game adjusted to them...all the time. dust 514 witch hunts. Now the issue is recall? Now we should remove redlines?

Are people thinking about the whole scope or the narrow view of what affects their gameplay??

So here is what I think an Assault Dropship is for,

During Combat it is Highly likely to require troops to be dropped into a contested zone, often in to areas with little cover, its here the assault dropship is useful, available to provide covering fire while troops find a safe location, the assault dropship isn't made for marathons of combat, instead often relying on gunship or fighter escort to successfully transport its cargo.

Does that sound right?
Is that how they should be / are being used?

Right and then the dropship pilot is like alright I'm gonna call down another dropship and go get that rail tank by using these mountains as cover then activate my afterburner as I come screaming in 2 feet off the deck aaaaaaaaand he's in the red line.............well better go recall this and cry to myself that no matter how much sp I have invested, no matter how many months I've spent to get good at flying and hone my combat skills, I will never be able to kill that guy, or even fight him. That is the problem, is it so much to ask that we can also have a chance to destroy the rail tank? Or is it too much to ask for a fair fight?

What's broken is there is plenty of consequences for dropships, fly somewhere without scanning the entire redline extensively and 1.2 seconds later you loose your ship, and there is no consequence for the rail tank as he is in an unassailable position.
Further more why does a rail tank sitting somewhere that makes him invincible seem fine, but an assault dropship risking his ship to provide some cover fire for his squad/team a problem?

@ Piraten Hovnore, I have found flying low can also be just as deadly, if swarms, forge guns, or a rail tank hit you its just as likely that the knock back will cause you to crash. I can fly inches off the ground and tend to avoid it due to this fact.

Yes bet that is a redline problem as has been said so many times before.
The thing is how often in a CLOSE FIGHT will be teams get redlined? Once in a blue moon.
So why do we have a red line? For a safe place to spawn without being camped.
Why do we need that? Protostompers.

If we didn't have the protostomping phenomenon, we wouldn't need redlines, if we didn't have redlines then long ramge could be countered with short range flanking. Thus it would be balanced.

All of our redline, equipment and vehicluar problems spawn from protostomping, so long as it happens the game isn't balanced.

Well the idea is to remove the redline while adding in AA. I like how BF3 did it where you had indestructible player operated AA turrets in the 'redline' with a view of the 'redline' zone only. Allowed aircraft to engage within the redline, but it can become a hostile environment for aircraft.

I think what could be done is to add player controlled blaster turrets (or equivalents of) with terminals inside the MCC. Short range such that it only creates a hostile environment where the redline used to be.

Edit: I don't see why these turrets couldn't all be the same from a neutral faction, such as ORE or Sisters of EVE, or even CONCORD. This way the MCCs aren't limited to their faction's turrets and provide imbalances between the MCCs.