It's not useless at all, my assault dropship gets an average of like 15-20 kills plus vehicle kills, unless one or two sica park so far in the red line I can't even get them with a suicide dropship packed with RE's (which is obnoxiously hard to do, btw).

Maybe you're a bad pilot, but some of us aren't, we just get shut down by mechanics, rather than our opponents skill.

Its not that I am a bad pilot, I DONT pilot. I haven't used a DS since the Assault dropship came out. I used many, lost lots of isk to forge guns and deemed them useless.(This was back in what 1.3 / 1.4 maybe?)

Ok so now you are saying they work wonders.... but you are moaning that a rail tank counters you? So what is it, a good asset that gets lots of kills or is it useless?

It's not useless at all, my assault dropship gets an average of like 15-20 kills plus vehicle kills, unless one or two sica park so far in the red line I can't even get them with a suicide dropship packed with RE's (which is obnoxiously hard to do, btw).

Maybe you're a bad pilot, but some of us aren't, we just get shut down by mechanics, rather than our opponents skill.

So you get 15-20 kills and are complaining when people retaliate?

I will take the silence as confirmation of everyone's lack of patience when it comes to explaining basic concepts to me

You know this thread is just full of people that are complaining about anyone and anything that kills them.

You will die. Adapt. My goodness.

You have an opinion. And that is grand. Thanks.

I'm at my whits end right now. I'm so happy I'm getting some new games for christmas, I need a break from this ****. I only enjoy flying now, and red line railguns just make it to too stressful and not enjoyable at all.

Even if you jump through the crazy amount of hoops required to kill them, they just call in another because you can afford 3-4 damage stacked sica's per match before losing ISK. Is it so much to ask for them to risk their ISK like I have to? If all else fails, you can recall three times over in the time it would take the dropship to kill your tank. .

I understand the feeling mate. Please come back. Even if it's in a months time. We need experiance pilots like you to make it better for pilots in the future. Imagine if no-one tried to make things better, to stand up for the new guys or those that can't get heard.

Hope to see you (although we have never ended up in a game together - on now btw) when you have had your rest.

I have a disease that doesn't let me quit DUST, I just need to seriously cut back on my game time for now. I want to provide solid feedback and I'm just so frustrated by things that I can't do that. It's just nice to know I'm not alone in this nightmare. I've campaigned for dropships for well over a year, it's just finally taking its toll on me I guess.

And to any idiots who think we don't want stuff to kill us, WRONG! I want swarms and plasma cannons buffed, and I want railguns to still scare the **** out of me, I just want the option to FIGHT BACK. No one should be given general immunity while being a threat to the battlefield, infantry and vehicles alike.

Fix the ******* redline CCP

No they are not. If anything is broken it's your dropships.

I hate how they are now (near unkillable) and with no propper anti-aircraft weaponry. If railtanks can fill that niche now then I applaude it.

I try not to damn certain game tactics or weapons as broken unless it is desperate. But rail gun tanks are just so completely broken it has me wondering if they were properly tested.

They have Huge alpha, Huge Hp, Huge Range, Huge elevation and they can be immune in the redline. Not just in the redline but they can shoot an objective from 300m in the redline. This is monstrously stupid. I cannot move in any map, or any game mode without a rail tank or three that are up to 300 meters into the redline 1 or 2 shotting my dropship. It is absolutely broken. I have even been killed at the maximum flight ceiling. Exactly what is a flying vehicles advantage if a tank can kill it anywhere in the entire sky?

They are not in need of slight balance or tweaking but plain broken to the point that they should not be in the game with the maps that we have.

I am making a video to make my point but at this stage CCP. They need to go. Now. Until they can be made to work with current map size and until you fix the broken and unbalanced redline they have to go. SImply remove the rail turret until we can make a weapon that powerful work within the limits of fair balance,

I only make threads like this if something is game breakingly bad. And I don't like to. But this is a special case. Did you know that at 250m from an objective, from a flat surface a rail tank can shoot a dropship 238 meters up?! Tanks rule the ground and the sky. At 238 meters my dropship is useless. I have to sit, in complete exposure evey single game to these distant, redline tanks. I can't use skill or tactics to avoid them. They see me all the time from complete safety. The tank can cover any area a dropship can operate in from a single spot up to 540m away (proven tested distance)

So here it is CCP. Take out that turret. Now. Until we can balance it. Its unfair and it breaks air/ground balance. CCP, you need to speak to us pilots about this. Not part-timers; but us full on dropship guys. Please engage us. In private, behind NDAs or whatever you feel is best but we really need to talk with you. This stuff needs fixing. ASAP.

Forge guns are still excellent vs dropships if you can aim, and swarm launchers are in desperate need of a buff in general, preferably to lock on range and projectile speed. The plasma cannon is just garbage that needs to be worked on more, and which would also benefit from added projectile speed.

The issue isn't railguns themselves, it's with railgun tanks so far in the redline that they're all but immune to destruction, especially when you consider vehicle recall, or that a DAY ONE character can call in 3-4 damaged stacked Sica's per match.

Problem with assault dropships - they are DROPSHIPS not assault ships or some real battle air vehicles (flying battle school bus). Joke is good when you say it first time, but if you keep telling it 10 times in row to same ppl... Air vehicles in Dust is a joke.

I try not to damn certain game tactics or weapons as broken unless it is desperate. But rail gun tanks are just so completely broken it has me wondering if they were properly tested.

They have Huge alpha, Huge Hp, Huge Range, Huge elevation and they can be immune in the redline. Not just in the redline but they can shoot an objective from 300m in the redline. This is monstrously stupid. I cannot move in any map, or any game mode without a rail tank or three that are up to 300 meters into the redline 1 or 2 shotting my dropship. It is absolutely broken. I have even been killed at the maximum flight ceiling. Exactly what is a flying vehicles advantage if a tank can kill it anywhere in the entire sky?

They are not in need of slight balance or tweaking but plain broken to the point that they should not be in the game with the maps that we have.

I am making a video to make my point but at this stage CCP. They need to go. Now. Until they can be made to work with current map size and until you fix the broken and unbalanced redline they have to go. SImply remove the rail turret until we can make a weapon that powerful work within the limits of fair balance,

I only make threads like this if something is game breakingly bad. And I don't like to. But this is a special case. Did you know that at 250m from an objective, from a flat surface a rail tank can shoot a dropship 238 meters up?! Tanks rule the ground and the sky. At 238 meters my dropship is useless. I have to sit, in complete exposure evey single game to these distant, redline tanks. I can't use skill or tactics to avoid them. They see me all the time from complete safety. The tank can cover any area a dropship can operate in from a single spot up to 540m away (proven tested distance)

So here it is CCP. Take out that turret. Now. Until we can balance it. Its unfair and it breaks air/ground balance. CCP, you need to speak to us pilots about this. Not part-timers; but us full on dropship guys. Please engage us. In private, behind NDAs or whatever you feel is best but we really need to talk with you. This stuff needs fixing. ASAP.

Sooooooo......we're now complaining about the only Skillshot Weapon Systems left in DUST??? Derpships simply want no Counter...........they already got rid of Swarms. The PLC & AV Nades don't even reach you FFS!!!! with Hardeners & Overboost a ***SKILLED*** Dropship Pilot is essentially Invincible..... Flight Ceiling Abuse + Speed + Free Range of Motion/Maneuverability + Cover = Invulnerable Spawn Point or.....in the case of ADS, a Distraction with the ability to DPS.

But no......FG & Rails need to go

This is why I H8 DUST..... It's a Cespool Spawn Point for the worst type of Gamer.....

PS: As an Armor Tanker who wants a Swarm Buff (GASP!!! Did he just say that???) I'd have to say the problem is YOU!!!!! ALL OF YOU ARE F**KING TRASH SCUM WHINY INCONSIDERATE SH*TSTAINS ON THE TITLE OF "GAMER"!!!! F**K DUST....& F**K ALL OF YOU!!!!!

I would agree that rail tanks were skill shot weapons if they actually came out of the red line and be in the fight. Otherwise you might as well just be on a turret.
I'm a pilot who wants swarms to get a little more damage and forge guns to get their charge Time back *GASP* I think rail tank could be more balanced if they couldn't shoot from the red, because that's bullish!t and you know it.
Please remember that tankers have been the ones complaining so loudly about av which is one of the reasons we are here in 1.7. I want av and dropships to have good interesting fights based on skill. Something we are getting close to.
Also this is how I imagined you when you were rolling around in your tank, screaming f*ck all of you to everyone as you slaughtered. Well F#CK you too guy for being such an @ss.

No they are not. If anything is broken it's your dropships.

I hate how they are now (near unkillable) and with no propper anti-aircraft weaponry. If railtanks can fill that niche now then I applaude it.

Sooooooo......we're now complaining about the only Skillshot Weapon Systems left in DUST??? Derpships simply want no Counter...........they already got rid of Swarms. The PLC & AV Nades don't even reach you FFS!!!! with Hardeners & Overboost a ***SKILLED*** Dropship Pilot is essentially Invincible..... Flight Ceiling Abuse + Speed + Free Range of Motion/Maneuverability + Cover = Invulnerable Spawn Point or.....in the case of ADS, a Distraction with the ability to DPS.

But no......FG & Rails need to go

This is why I H8 DUST..... It's a Cespool Spawn Point for the worst type of Gamer.....

PS: As an Armor Tanker who wants a Swarm Buff (GASP!!! Did he just say that???) I'd have to say the problem is YOU!!!!! ALL OF YOU ARE F**KING TRASH SCUM WHINY INCONSIDERATE SH*TSTAINS ON THE TITLE OF "GAMER"!!!! F**K DUST....& F**K ALL OF YOU!!!!!

Because having RGs popping Dropships in 2 shots from the redline being the primary defense is obviously balanced. How about making other options worth using?