Right, that's why we have a forward mounted gun that tears through tanks, because we aren't meant to fight....

Keep huggin' that redline brah

We get a 50% boost to RoF and this character tells us we're for troop transport, what a tool

I try not to damn certain game tactics or weapons as broken unless it is desperate. But rail gun tanks are just so completely broken it has me wondering if they were properly tested.

They have Huge alpha, Huge Hp, Huge Range, Huge elevation and they can be immune in the redline. Not just in the redline but they can shoot an objective from 300m in the redline. This is monstrously stupid. I cannot move in any map, or any game mode without a rail tank or three that are up to 300 meters into the redline 1 or 2 shotting my dropship. It is absolutely broken. I have even been killed at the maximum flight ceiling. Exactly what is a flying vehicles advantage if a tank can kill it anywhere in the entire sky?

They are not in need of slight balance or tweaking but plain broken to the point that they should not be in the game with the maps that we have.

I am making a video to make my point but at this stage CCP. They need to go. Now. Until they can be made to work with current map size and until you fix the broken and unbalanced redline they have to go. SImply remove the rail turret until we can make a weapon that powerful work within the limits of fair balance,

I only make threads like this if something is game breakingly bad. And I don't like to. But this is a special case. Did you know that at 250m from an objective, from a flat surface a rail tank can shoot a dropship 238 meters up?! Tanks rule the ground and the sky. At 238 meters my dropship is useless. I have to sit, in complete exposure evey single game to these distant, redline tanks. I can't use skill or tactics to avoid them. They see me all the time from complete safety. The tank can cover any area a dropship can operate in from a single spot up to 540m away (proven tested distance)

So here it is CCP. Take out that turret. Now. Until we can balance it. Its unfair and it breaks air/ground balance. CCP, you need to speak to us pilots about this. Not part-timers; but us full on dropship guys. Please engage us. In private, behind NDAs or whatever you feel is best but we really need to talk with you. This stuff needs fixing. ASAP.

Making rails much harder to fit would probably fix them.

You make me sad Q_Q
Also, am still opposed to Assault Dropships, they just don't make sense, Need proper gunships.

So yea this thread has resorted to totally non-constructive feedback.

I apologise for over looking the red line issue and I GET that point. I also get that railgun tanks are best countered by other railgun tanks (when they are in the redzone at least).

Let me be clear.
So if we remove the red zones.... that may help the situation but then what about noobies getting there asses handed to them before they can even spawn in fully (Or the second they touch down from the MCC). Lets be honest that already happens on certain maps.

Like others have said, (I too have been guilty of this in the past) it just seems that people want what ever it is that kills them nerfed.

Lets look at the overall picture. What do you guys, from both sides of the fence, think would be a fair way to solve this problem?

Lets do something constructive here.

Why not remove the redline altogether for aircraft? Then give MCCs a form of AA that activates within a certain range to prevent dropships from farming kills (enough to discourage them from sitting there for extended periods of time, but not enough to allow to finish off a redline tank that retreated to the MCC)

Okay how about having vehicles unable to fire within a red-zone and have the red-zone for ground vehicles be larger. This would remove red-line rails and make them closer to the battle.

Can't completely remove it because infantry can't out run a DS with missiles.

After thinking about this myself I came to a similar conclusion. How about while in the red zone NO ONE can fire anything?

No firing of any weapons, no tank cannons, nothing. Until they have left the red zone? This would still keep the red zone as a safe place to hide but you would have to leave the red zone to snipe, shoot guns , shoot tank cannons etc?

I am certainly in favour of this as I for one do not sit in the red zone.

EDIT - To justify this perhaps have a really large "Energy stasis barrier" in place that nullifies ALL weaponry.... (Insert other BS excuse here for your pleasure)

This only makes it easier to keep the other team red-lined.

if your going to remove the redline then make it to where every single enemy that gets 50-100 meters close to the MCC gets automatically killed, because without the redline, there would be no new players anymore as they would be killed the instant they spawn in or touch the ground, resulting in mass rage quitting and the player count dropping to probably 500

if your going to remove the redline then make it to where every single enemy that gets 50-100 meters close to the MCC gets automatically killed, because without the redline, there would be no new players anymore as they would be killed the instant they spawn in or touch the ground, resulting in mass rage quitting and the player count dropping to probably 500

See my above reply regarding player operated turrets from the MCC.

See my above reply regarding player operated turrets from the MCC.

Sorry to multi-post like this.

I honestly think this is the best idea by far so far. Any idea others have come up with has holes in it. However this seems a very viable way to do it. It was that way in other great FPS games with similar mechanics to dust (Battlefield being a prime example).

I say we push this as an idea. Any feed back from others? I feel this would make DS pilots happy and at the same time, new guys would still be able to fight back using the mounted MCC turrets.

(You know I say we just copy Battlefield 2142 and have Titan mode. That was awesome and VERY much like DUST in many ways)

I try not to damn certain game tactics or weapons as broken unless it is desperate. But rail gun tanks are just so completely broken it has me wondering if they were properly tested.

. ASAP.

Tankers want tanks to be the best counter to tanks, but instead of wanting dropships to be the best counter to dropships, they'd rather tanks do that as well

Didn't CCP mention that a bomber was going to be released shortly?
I seem to recall it was scheduled for a recent update but was delayed due to core fixes. This would mean in the next couple of updates and would probably be the hard counter to tanks, no?