DUST Search - I hate to be so final but Rail Tanks are COMPLETELY BROKEN

Mordecai Sanguine wrote:

Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:

I try not to damn certain game tactics or weapons as broken unless it is desperate. But rail gun tanks are just so completely broken it has me wondering if they were properly tested.

They have Huge alpha, Huge Hp, Huge Range, Huge elevation and they can be immune in the redline. Not just in the redline but they can shoot an objective from 300m in the redline. This is monstrously stupid. I cannot move in any map, or any game mode without a rail tank or three that are up to 300 meters into the redline 1 or 2 shotting my dropship. It is absolutely broken. I have even been killed at the maximum flight ceiling. Exactly what is a flying vehicles advantage if a tank can kill it anywhere in the entire sky?

They are not in need of slight balance or tweaking but plain broken to the point that they should not be in the game with the maps that we have.

I am making a video to make my point but at this stage CCP. They need to go. Now. Until they can be made to work with current map size and until you fix the broken and unbalanced redline they have to go. SImply remove the rail turret until we can make a weapon that powerful work within the limits of fair balance,

I only make threads like this if something is game breakingly bad. And I don't like to. But this is a special case. Did you know that at 250m from an objective, from a flat surface a rail tank can shoot a dropship 238 meters up?! Tanks rule the ground and the sky. At 238 meters my dropship is useless. I have to sit, in complete exposure evey single game to these distant, redline tanks. I can't use skill or tactics to avoid them. They see me all the time from complete safety. The tank can cover any area a dropship can operate in from a single spot up to 540m away (proven tested distance)

So here it is CCP. Take out that turret. Now. Until we can balance it. Its unfair and it breaks air/ground balance. CCP, you need to speak to us pilots about this. Not part-timers; but us full on dropship guys. Please engage us. In private, behind NDAs or whatever you feel is best but we really need to talk with you. This stuff needs fixing. ASAP.

No.
You must understand than Rail turret is a AV turret meant to be almost useless against infantry (And actually it is.).
But absolutely "master" against vehicules (HAV/LAV).

When blaster is destroying 20 ennemies in less than 30sec no one complains because it's as intended.
So why complaining when an AV turret destroy vehicules ? (As intended).

Blaster even destroy vehicules pretty easy.
So......

Ok that's pretty unfair than it can look up so easily and shoot dropships.
The only nerf that would be "useful" is to reduce elevation of the turret.

Rail already have lot of drawbacks.
Low RoF.
You fail one/two shots you're DEAD.
Really low rotation speed.
slow reload.
etcetc....

Dropship are transports you think it's supposed to resist from a "artillery" cannon mounted on a Battle Tank ?

u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.


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Zirzo Valcyn Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 14	Posted - 2013.12.21 16:25:00 - [1] - Quote Megamix Chemist wrote: Bump +1 Range needs to be addressed, maybe the rails round travels so fast it gets too hot and implodes after a certain distance or sharpens down to a smaller round doing less damage, maybe not but there should be a solution. or after the round travels X amount of distance it becomes unstable and begins to corkscrew, idk.. just throwing idea out there. i was feeling this exact same thing a couple days ago. I parked my DS's after being redlined railed 2 matches in a row. it got me thinking how broken and how much i hate the redline. it totally makes this game feel juvenile, not like a CCP game. this game is supposed to be something special but a redline is totally cliche` that we've been tolerating for waaaay too long. you can't remove a redline tho and have a max count of 32 players given the current mechanics and no obvious plan to bottleneck them i remember reading a conceptual about this game a couple years ago and they made it sound like there would be no redline that you would have to go out with a dropship and scan down the enemy or something. It all sounded really great and groundbreaking, instead we are slapped in the face with a little arena shooter with it's cute little redline so scrubs can kill from it. u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
Zirzo Valcyn Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 55	Posted - 2014.01.19 21:41:00 - [2] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: I try not to damn certain game tactics or weapons as broken unless it is desperate. But rail gun tanks are just so completely broken it has me wondering if they were properly tested. They have Huge alpha, Huge Hp, Huge Range, Huge elevation and they can be immune in the redline. Not just in the redline but they can shoot an objective from 300m in the redline. This is monstrously stupid. I cannot move in any map, or any game mode without a rail tank or three that are up to 300 meters into the redline 1 or 2 shotting my dropship. It is absolutely broken. I have even been killed at the maximum flight ceiling. Exactly what is a flying vehicles advantage if a tank can kill it anywhere in the entire sky? They are not in need of slight balance or tweaking but plain broken to the point that they should not be in the game with the maps that we have. I am making a video to make my point but at this stage CCP. They need to go. Now. Until they can be made to work with current map size and until you fix the broken and unbalanced redline they have to go. SImply remove the rail turret until we can make a weapon that powerful work within the limits of fair balance, I only make threads like this if something is game breakingly bad. And I don't like to. But this is a special case. Did you know that at 250m from an objective, from a flat surface a rail tank can shoot a dropship 238 meters up?! Tanks rule the ground and the sky. At 238 meters my dropship is useless. I have to sit, in complete exposure evey single game to these distant, redline tanks. I can't use skill or tactics to avoid them. They see me all the time from complete safety. The tank can cover any area a dropship can operate in from a single spot up to 540m away (proven tested distance) So here it is CCP. Take out that turret. Now. Until we can balance it. Its unfair and it breaks air/ground balance. CCP, you need to speak to us pilots about this. Not part-timers; but us full on dropship guys. Please engage us. In private, behind NDAs or whatever you feel is best but we really need to talk with you. This stuff needs fixing. ASAP. No. You must understand than Rail turret is a AV turret meant to be almost useless against infantry (And actually it is.). But absolutely "master" against vehicules (HAV/LAV). When blaster is destroying 20 ennemies in less than 30sec no one complains because it's as intended. So why complaining when an AV turret destroy vehicules ? (As intended). Blaster even destroy vehicules pretty easy. So...... Ok that's pretty unfair than it can look up so easily and shoot dropships. The only nerf that would be "useful" is to reduce elevation of the turret. Rail already have lot of drawbacks. Low RoF. You fail one/two shots you're DEAD. Really low rotation speed. slow reload. etcetc.... Dropship are transports you think it's supposed to resist from a "artillery" cannon mounted on a Battle Tank ? the issue is not the tank it's the redline they use as a shield. u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.