The only difference here is that not only can the sniper not kill vehicles or installations, his fit generally costs as much or more than the red line tank. You also can't one shot kill that red line tank, and the -only- counter is to call in your own sica that you didn't skill into, and hope he doesn't see you, and even if he does, he can generally just recall before you kill him.

I also wish people would shut up about needing wicked strong militia tanks to try tanks. You can get into a standard tank in your first week of play, militia should suck ball waffles and only be to give you a feel for the vehicles, not a no SP kill machine that takes out vehicles installations and dropsuits of all quality.

Infantry militia items =/= vehicle militia items

The main issue though is giving someone the ability to get kills and shut down entire branches of play from a zone that makes you all but immune to death. That is a balance issue, it has been a balance issue, and will continue to be a balance issue until it is fixed. The only time someone should be totally safe is when they're totally removed from combat. If you can still kill, you should be just as vulnerable to being killed as everyone else.


Sounds like you have a bad tank, and believe it or not, you aren't the only player who can call one into the red line.



Telling a dropship to fly in circles all match because you called in a free tank in the immunity zone is just stupid.

It's not useless at all, my assault dropship gets an average of like 15-20 kills plus vehicle kills, unless one or two sica park so far in the red line I can't even get them with a suicide dropship packed with RE's (which is obnoxiously hard to do, btw).

Maybe you're a bad pilot, but some of us aren't, we just get shut down by mechanics, rather than our opponents skill.

Okay how about having vehicles unable to fire within a red-zone and have the red-zone for ground vehicles be larger. This would remove red-line rails and make them closer to the battle.

Redline tanks are not automatically unstoppable. I've been on both sides of the redline game, and I've killed and been killed by rail tanks. Some guys will just run with a failing strategy and blow through 20 ADS in a match, and others find their inner killer instinct with a suicidal RE-packed LAV. Also, a no SP Sica can spawn camp the redline, but that's not nearly as fun.

Dropships have always annoyed me. They facilitate rooftop snipers (forge and rifles) - tactics I despise, and it's little different from redline camping/hiding. Same attitude. Pilots asked for a chance, they didn't like being threatened by infantry, so now we have to call in tanks to counter their cowardly tactics. I do it because I have to, and if I can discourage future harassment, that's a win-win. If these pilots had their way, I'd need to build a DS covered in REs to have a chance at killing another dropship. That would be silly, but nobody should feel safe anywhere on the battlefield.

You can live if you never slow down and try to be useful, but it's not very fulfilling.

I lost two Incubi on line harvest in one match to a redline rail parked in the hills. I couldn't get to him, and he had view of the entire map above 20m. I could fly around and stay alive, but at the expense being useless.