Wut. You nerf the SL by 30% of its damage and more than half its range. Then all you do to the forge gun is increase the charge by a small amount and reduce the damage by 10%? No change to the range at all? The damage can still one shot any suit once you add in proficiency and at least one damage mod. So stupid.

When it comes to swarms i am ok with it, i have used them before and the ranges are insane, i was DS surfing and managed to kill a assault dropship from the Gorgon i was surfing on, which is completely OP considering i was a logi at the time and also repaired him. 400M for swarms is crazy.

Agree 400M for swarms was crazy far, but ...
175M for swarms is equally crazy short.

There is no way a Swarm launcher can engage a dropship (its design intended target) successfully with so short a range along with Damage being reduced by 1/3.
The range should have been reduced to somewhere between 250 - 300 M (or about 1/3 less - same reduction as Damage)

175m is more than enough for swarms. People keep forgetting that is to get a lock on, now how long swarms will chase you around the map. Especially when in relation to a dropship. Dropship pilots can't even make out who has swarms and who doesn't, and that goes the same for any other vehicle. With the new range its going to require swarm launcher users to actually implement "skill, and tactics."

This ^ is a troll.
From one of the best trolls around.

at first look it seams like my swarm launcher will be of no use why o why reduce lock on range so much and what is the range of the rockets that fire? is that reduced too ? as it was all lav, tanks and drop ships were able to get out of range too fast. drop ships were able to fly up to avoid swarms tanks and lavs were around buildings and reducing av grenades too ?
what good is an av suit now so now the only effective av weapon is a forge gun and they were reduced too i hope re-specs will b offered to players who specked into swarm launchers too as lav and tank skills are being refunded

what about tanks that red line snipe no way to kill them now unless you are a heavy


As i stated before it is not a problem with the swarm launcher it was a problem with the number of players using free and militia grade lav and tanks yes they should die fast vs adv and proto swarms.
yes my adv swarms were able to kill these cheap rides in 1 or 2 swarms but what about installations now i have to be so close that the only weapon to remove them will b a tank

Also i want to remind every 1 that swarms were changed before reducing the clip size and how the skill points spent worked on
them
well most changes look good some don't seem well thought out
reducing swarm range with reduced damage makes 4 an ineffective drop ship weapon
changes to shield extender is this on lavs and tanks or on drop suits?
adding weapons that do high dps when we all ready have ARs that do over 400 dps at miltia grade
can i re-spec my pts in ar?

might i remind AV operators that lock on range and missile range are two different things completely. you can now only lock on to a dropship at 175 meters, but the distance covered by your missiles will be the same 400 meters.


thank you and have nice day,
-Hunter

what is the range of a drop ship gun? why should a gunner on a drop ship be able to hit the ground out of a swarm range ?

You are also forgetting about how unbalanced AV was in relation to other vehicles with the exception of tanks. Before Uprising all swarms killed dropships, no matter if it was militia or not, nor how much sp was invested. Swarms are not only intended for dropships, but for HAV's and LAV's too! And from what I understand any other future vehicle that will be coming out as well. If you are on the receiving end of advance and proto swarms using a well fitted dropship, HAV or LAV I promise you will think different to going against them. You are forced to flee no matter what. There is no room for engagement when roughly 1 million isk and easily over 5 million skill points are invested in one type of vehicle alone. Your lock on being placed in a reasonable zone, which allows any vehicle to engage you places it at fair game, giving enjoyment for all parties and no longer a one sided story.

well then you were in the wrong drop ship as i have several time spent the whole match swarming the same drop ship who takes 3 swarms then runs and hides or flys up out of range tell he heals i have dealt over 30k damage in a round trying to kill drop ships that run away
as 4 lav they usually just run around trying to run over players note its a car not a tank it should die a lot easier
a good tanker knows he needs ground troupes backing him up so he has protection vs swarms yes i have seen a proto swarm run a tank off a hill he was all by him self up there had there been ground tropes or some one on a small tank gun that logie with no side arm would have been dead . but how meany players run proto swarms doesn't seem like a lot to me i only know of 1 fore sure in my corp

Just watch the videos on the links in my previous message. You should understand it better.

They added a timer and you can remove your turrets.

Looks like CCP never learned their lessons from beta...

AV effectiveness drastically reduced, forge guns nerfed, tanks reworked in to viable murder platforms. CCP doesn't want people killing tanks, they just want them "harassing" them off the field temporarily. That way, they don't have to deal with tank driver crying over losing their "investment" - despite AV players and standard foot soldiers losing theirs by the boatload.

Welcome back Tank514. As someone who dedicated themselves to AV, I don't think I'll be bothering to come back after this deployment.

I see nothing to entice me back into giving this game another shot. Completely weak sauce CCP.

To all those whining that armour tanking is OP:
just wait until my combat rifle with +10% to armour dmg hits you ;) (the AR and shotty have -10% to armour damage and +10% for shields, while the combat rifle has only -5% for shields)

Are you ******* kidding me? the breach is now worthless, if you calculate its DPS including reloads compared to the assult it was worse before now it cannot even do the spike dmg to make up for it! its ********. its now completely useless! never to be seen on the battlefield again. Dumbest change ever!!

Maybe you shouldn't try to solo vehicles. Ever think of that?

The forge gun nerf isnt that bad its ment to be a heavy wepon which means it should do heavy damage and im surprised nobody is compalining about the ar not being nerfed. The ar does more damage than a damm gattaling gun! Ccp the fire rate increase doesnt do s#! T all to help us kill. Give the hmg a buff by at least 15% because people with an assualt rifle see us duck around a corner after they see our hmg and just walk out and tear us apart in 4 seconds. The sentinal needs to lose then feedback damage reduction and to have a 5% incress to armour plate and repair effincy. Also a proto gallente logi has 5 low slots the proto sentinal has 4 at least give it 2 high and 4 low.

Being removed for a whole day is a little much don't you think? CCP, YOU REALLY NEED TO LAY OFF THE CRACK PIPE!!!.
How about these assholes cheating by throwing Drop Uplinks inside of Null Cannons and walls? Diddn't see anything about that. You need to get rid of Mouse and keyboard to. Too many of these high KDR guys are talking like they are good when really they are using eagle eye or what ever the hell its called, to get aim assist with KB/M. How about a Newbie Friendly game mode. Rather than cater to the crybabys who just want easy kills, do something like a standard gear only match. Do something to get new players in. GET YOUR GOD DAMNED HEADS ON STRAIGHT! Stop with the smoke and mirrors and do something worthwhile or Dust514 is dead.

don"t solo vehicles ????? so what we should run a full squad of av? where is your head at this takes several playes out of the infantry fight as av guys are not set up to kill players. A good squad should have a mix of players 1 player with av in a squad should be enough. most modern av weapons will kill any tank or lesser transport in 1 hit so killing a tank in 3 to 5 swarms should be resalable. maybe tanks shouldn't run around solo! as you try to imply its a team game not a me game so lone tanks should be just as vulnerable to av weapons as troupes are to a blaster tank or installations are to a rail gun tank

well said
a game with out new players will die fast and new players who die fast will not stay
at least extend academy play to 1 mill life time skill pts so players can have some idea how the game plays before becoming meat in the proto grinder that is pub and fractional matches