Let the rage begin! Aren't these days festive.

Ok, I do wanna throw in that this is a holy crap ton of new info, you guys are hard at work and I commend you for that and I can't really complain...but I will

I read through 6 pages of comments and not 1 mention of this...where the balls is my new equipment!? I read in the dev blog teaser after 1.6 that you guys had new equipment in store and I don't see this in here, was there a statement issued before the patch notes? Something I missed? Like I don't mind waiting a bit longer but damn I saved up 2 million SP for 1.7 and the only thing I can spend it on is the combat rifle.

Oh please. I was home on my lunch break and only had a few minutes, and it seemed silly to say nothing at all on such a big occasion. As far as contributions go, these have already been posted and discussed internally, CCP already knows how I feel about the contents. This thread is for community feedback.

If you have anything in particular you wanted me to share just ask, or feel free to poke me on Skype.

Speaking of which - let me link once again to the instructions on how to join my Dustcussion groups on Skype (text, no mic needed). I currently have one going for both Vehicle Rebalancing as well as Faction Warfare.

Overall, it seems like dual-tanking got a nerf to me because both Extenders AND Plates will less effective than they are right now after 1.7 drops. I look forward too see how these changes will affect the game. Hopefully there will be more module variety. Hopefully.

boooo hoooo

my shields are getting a 3% stacking penalty OH NOOOOOOOO

but wait there's energizers and rechargers to counter it

oh but wait im too good to use them

Love how everyone is complaining about the shield penalties when armor tankers have had to deal with penalties since the start of the game, have less module variety and only recently was made effective.

Even more entertaining when you figure that the only suits with armor bonuses are Logistics.

No new equipment in the patch? Was it excluded from the patch?

Why did you even mention that new equipment was coming before?

If half of the people in this thread even bothered to do the math on it they'd find it's not nearly that much of an impact. Here's a few points.

3% to Depleted Shield Recharged Delay, not the recharge delay.

If you're a shield tanker and you're shields have hit zero, it's likely that you're going to die anyway.

This puts more emphasis on the use of Regulators instead of Armor Plating (ferroscale) which was a suggested problem when they were first implemented. As a result, you're noticing a lot of players (specifically Caldari Logis) that are brick tanking both sides.

So, if Scouts have been 'weakened', as you suggest, then we'll use that as our primary example. Assuming that you put three shield extenders in the high-slots of a Prototype Minmatar Scout, that means that there is a total of a 9% addition in the depleted delay (remember, this isn't the base recharge delay, this is when the shields are at zero).

That 9% addition equates to 0.72 seconds, bringing the total to 8.72 seconds. A single basic shield regulator (if it's really that much of an issue) would bring that time down to 7.84, a whole 0.16 seconds faster than the suit's base recharge delay.

Edit: Assuming that you have Shield Regulators level 5, that is.

Honestly, I think this just strengthens the aspect of choosing between armor and shield rather than just going both. It also adds weight to the argument that shield extenders could use a buff; something I've been hearing a lot of lately.

Thank you for explaining to the hysterical types how small a change this is and is a way of minimising duel tanking.

I would be it favour of a shield extender HP buff actually BUT only if it was balanced by making duel tanking near impossible.

Put simply, if a duel tanking logi can out perform both pure armour/shield tanked assault class suit then there is something very wrong.

I share your concerns about the scouts. But I agree with the thinking that says that there is little point buffing them till the full racial set is out. They'll get buffed and then CCP will have to nerf them again.

We're just going to have to be patient a bit longer. I really want to try the commando role but I'm not till I get the Gallente version.

what is the range of a drop ship gun? why should a gunner on a drop ship be able to hit the ground out of a swarm range ?

don"t solo vehicles ????? so what we should run a full squad of av? where is your head at this takes several playes out of the infantry fight as av guys are not set up to kill players. A good squad should have a mix of players 1 player with av in a squad should be enough. most modern av weapons will kill any tank or lesser transport in 1 hit so killing a tank in 3 to 5 swarms should be resalable. maybe tanks shouldn't run around solo! as you try to imply its a team game not a me game so lone tanks should be just as vulnerable to av weapons as troupes are to a blaster tank or installations are to a rail gun tank

No new equipment.. dang

If infantry shouldn't be able to solo vehicles, then vehicles shouldn't operate effectively with a solo pilot. It's called balance.

I see your manipulation attempt.

I could agree with you if all weapons were a legitimate threat to vehicles. However, part of your vehicle advantage is that all weapons, except the few AV weapons, have their damage reduced by more than 75% when used against vehicles. That on top of ten times more EHP and a higher top speed than a speed fit scout gives vehicles, even the HAV, some nice advantages.

It says the seat will be removed when there's no turret, or i think i read so.

Oh not really worth it then, in my opinion of course.