Agree 400M for swarms was crazy far, but ...
175M for swarms is equally crazy short.

There is no way a Swarm launcher can engage a dropship (its design intended target) successfully with so short a range along with Damage being reduced by 1/3.
The range should have been reduced to somewhere between 250 - 300 M (or about 1/3 less - same reduction as Damage)

Looks like CCP never learned their lessons from beta...

AV effectiveness drastically reduced, forge guns nerfed, tanks reworked in to viable murder platforms. CCP doesn't want people killing tanks, they just want them "harassing" them off the field temporarily. That way, they don't have to deal with tank driver crying over losing their "investment" - despite AV players and standard foot soldiers losing theirs by the boatload.

Welcome back Tank514. As someone who dedicated themselves to AV, I don't think I'll be bothering to come back after this deployment.

at first look it seams like my swarm launcher will be of no use why o why reduce lock on range so much and what is the range of the rockets that fire? is that reduced too ? as it was all lav, tanks and drop ships were able to get out of range too fast. drop ships were able to fly up to avoid swarms tanks and lavs were around buildings and reducing av grenades too ?
what good is an av suit now so now the only effective av weapon is a forge gun and they were reduced too i hope re-specs will b offered to players who specked into swarm launchers too as lav and tank skills are being refunded

what about tanks that red line snipe no way to kill them now unless you are a heavy


As i stated before it is not a problem with the swarm launcher it was a problem with the number of players using free and militia grade lav and tanks yes they should die fast vs adv and proto swarms.
yes my adv swarms were able to kill these cheap rides in 1 or 2 swarms but what about installations now i have to be so close that the only weapon to remove them will b a tank

Also i want to remind every 1 that swarms were changed before reducing the clip size and how the skill points spent worked on
them
well most changes look good some don't seem well thought out
reducing swarm range with reduced damage makes 4 an ineffective drop ship weapon
changes to shield extender is this on lavs and tanks or on drop suits?
adding weapons that do high dps when we all ready have ARs that do over 400 dps at miltia grade
can i re-spec my pts in ar?

well then you were in the wrong drop ship as i have several time spent the whole match swarming the same drop ship who takes 3 swarms then runs and hides or flys up out of range tell he heals i have dealt over 30k damage in a round trying to kill drop ships that run away
as 4 lav they usually just run around trying to run over players note its a car not a tank it should die a lot easier
a good tanker knows he needs ground troupes backing him up so he has protection vs swarms yes i have seen a proto swarm run a tank off a hill he was all by him self up there had there been ground tropes or some one on a small tank gun that logie with no side arm would have been dead . but how meany players run proto swarms doesn't seem like a lot to me i only know of 1 fore sure in my corp

Are you ******* kidding me? the breach is now worthless, if you calculate its DPS including reloads compared to the assult it was worse before now it cannot even do the spike dmg to make up for it! its ********. its now completely useless! never to be seen on the battlefield again. Dumbest change ever!!

Tactical strikes have to be earned Eve side now. If no pilots are there to supply them, you don't get any.

Seriously? I guess you want HAVs to dominate even more... You increased their speed and meneuverability all while once again nerfing AV grenades and swarm launchers? And now you're penalizing shield stacking. I run caldari suits with multiple shield extenders, and let me tell you there's enough broken crap in this game as it is. I can run around with 300+ and 200+ armor and still miraculously be killed by 2 shots from a gek13. If I run proto and increase my shield to 500+ it takes 3-4 shots to kill me. Wtf is that? As it's already been said, armor is the problem, and more than that, all the stuff you break every time you "fix" something. Like the unbalanced nature of scrambler rifles, or how any rifle can somehow do over 500hp of damage in 2-3 shots. I maxed out my AR skills a long time ago, and I can't kill anyone that easily. Btw, you think it's easy to get close enough to a fully manned tank and lob enough AV grenades to destroy it? You must, since you nerfed them again. And why do we still have mouse and keyboard on a platform game? I might as well go back to PC games since the people there dumb enough to use controllers will get owned. One of the main reasons people play consoles is to level the playing field, so skill alone can determine the outcome. Thanks for ruining that too.

so CCP wants me to drop a forge/plasma/swarm and instead of actually getting kills with it.. just sit around until the birds fly home? that's cool.. guess i'll just have to use my proxies until they nerf those too.. but that'll be a long time from now and way before any real advancement with the game is made.. that's good to know.. jeeze i hope they pay these people for more than just readjusting numbers...

All these new updates are cool but wth was with the shield Nerf? when Armor is over 900+

Uhm, I just spent like 1mil. SP in the AR Damage skill lvl 5 because I just came back from 4 months of inactivity and didn't realize they were adding new rifles. A skill respec would be really appreciated since I have no SP left to put into the Minmatar Combat Rifles :(.

There should be an option to at least allow 1 free SP respec in every Dust 514 merc's lifetime, for cases like these.
Either that or I would be fine with CCP allowing me to reset my total SP I've put into weaponry (since you guys ****** me over with the Flaylock Pistol RIGHT BEFORE the update that nerfed it).

Other than that, nice update! (Although my Minmatar Assault doesn't appreciate the shield nerf since my life usually depends on shields).