Not trolling I have seen the numbers before and well I am too wondering where they went.

Asinine? Perhaps.

But born of frustration. I've long had a bugbear about duel tanking (comes from playing Eve) and I've a long history of encouraging students to specialise in either Shield Tanking or Armour Tanking, only skilling in both when they've completely mastered one. And only to skill in the relevant one for the suits strengths.

Now I've no real problem in players skilling into what was competitive at the time and when what was competitive was due to CCP screwing up that's CCP's problem, not the fault of that player.

However......

When the error on CCP's part, in this case, the rise of the Logi-slayer and their ability to out tank an Assault suit by duel tanking, is so VERY obviously going to be fixed in a future point build, then I have little to no sympathy.

If you poured SP into a suit class when it was clear it was OP and likely to be nerfed at some point, then you've nothing to complain about when that nerf lands as far as I'm concerned. You've had your fun at the expense of others, now you have to pay the cost of it. This is a game of consequence after all.

And someone mentioned earlier that the regulator is the most useless module in the game. It is right now. However, come next Tuesday I think you'll find that it'll become much more important to shield tankers. And become useful again, which is why the delay nerf was put in there in the first place.

You can still stack those Extenders but you'll have to lose an armour plate to compensate for the delay. And with a complex Regulator I'm fairly sure that the delay will in fact be less than what it is now, giving you an advantage.

I honestly think that this delay nerf is going to finally bring in a lot of new inventive fits, bringing some needed variety to the game.

Hmmm... Would it still be a breach of your NDA if you were to post said numbers - I mean technically you're just saving Logibro some time.

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1.7 was feature locked very shortly after 1.6 was released, if not before - and besides, fixing TTK is a complicated issue that requires more than just a quick knee jerk reaction.

I would've liked the shield nerf, if they buffed the amount of shields it extended as well. You didn't even takea step forward in this one, CCP, just a step backward. The other changes are great, in my opinion. Maybe make the swarms 200m next time?

Asinine? Perhaps.

But born of frustration. I've long had a bugbear about duel tanking (comes from playing Eve) and I've a long history of encouraging students to specialise in either Shield Tanking or Armour Tanking, only skilling in both when they've completely mastered one. And only to skill in the relevant one for the suits strengths.

Now I've no real problem in players skilling into what was competitive at the time and when what was competitive was due to CCP screwing up that's CCP's problem, not the fault of that player.

However......

When the error on CCP's part, in this case, the rise of the Logi-slayer and their ability to out tank an Assault suit by duel tanking, is so VERY obviously going to be fixed in a future point build, then I have little to no sympathy.

If you poured SP into a suit class when it was clear it was OP and likely to be nerfed at some point, then you've nothing to complain about when that nerf lands as far as I'm concerned. You've had your fun at the expense of others, now you have to pay the cost of it. This is a game of consequence after all.

And someone mentioned earlier that the regulator is the most useless module in the game. It is right now. However, come next Tuesday I think you'll find that it'll become much more important to shield tankers. And become useful again, which is why the delay nerf was put in there in the first place.

You can still stack those Extenders but you'll have to lose an armour plate to compensate for the delay. And with a complex Regulator I'm fairly sure that the delay will in fact be less than what it is now, giving you an advantage.

I honestly think that this delay nerf is going to finally bring in a lot of new inventive fits, bringing some needed variety to the game.

That shield nerf is gonna end me ill adopt though, hopefully

Hmmm... Would it still be a breach of your NDA if you were to post said numbers - I mean technically you're just saving Logibro some time.

Not my job to do his job. Also there are more things at work than just me posting it.

Swarms need to stop being spammed from distances that are unreasonable. If you want your homing weapon then you need to get closer. You don't even render half the time. Hopefully with the change you will render AND I can kill you.

Are any changes being introduced for the resupply range when approaching a Supply Depot for ammo in 1.7? The current distance for depot-to-vehicle repairs feels terribly close in the context of repairing a dropship. You practically need to be touching the depot to see an effect. I can foresee some major problems with pilot blindspots when multiple dropships need to resupply ammo in addition to armor from the same station at those distances.

Suggestion 1: We either need a wide berth bubble resupply system or some modicum of air-traffic control light indicators. Multiple dropship entering the same airspace without guaranteed communication abilities is going to equal unnecessary frustration for pilots.

Suggestion 2: Develop a small socket single landing pad. I'm sure this has been brought up elsewhere. Landing pads themselves would be large variations of supply depots that once docked with would begin repairing, replenishing ammo, and even giving stat buffs with a cool-down timer. Lastly I would like to see these landing pads become activated CRUs, when a dropship is docked, immediately spawning mercs into the dropship either through smart deploy or selected deploy.

Oh yeah?
A boy or a girl?

As a dedicated swarm user, I support these changes. If you were serious about taking out a tank, you already needed to engage a good tanker from within the 175m range(preferably within AV nade distance). With the removal of active reppers things should balance nicely. However, dropships(and red line rail tanks, I guess) are no longer my responsibility. I'll keep assaults from hovering, but beyond that, its up to you forge guns and rail tanks, now.

I agree the 400m is way too far but I think 175m might be a wee bit short.

all quite good, but nerf on AV? what's the reason for that? look at the proto grenade, now it deals less damage than standard, this is silly, and what abpout swarm launchers?? why? why did you touch AV? because of noob tankers complaining? no good, this is no good, I'm really disappointed WTF

Yeah....
Apply that concept to a Forge..
Or tell snipers they need to get close to ya, otherwise is cheating

Hey Pilots, no more lockons from swarm launchers, stay 200m mtrs away and you'll be fine lol.

Give me one good reason for the shield nerf? And here i was actually hoping for a balance on this patch but instead you made it worse..

Frustrating i must say..

Holy Smokes CCP, you've outdone yourself in a great way! Bravo!

Still I'm going to keep bringing this up.

Last time I checked, the Armor based modules had WAY more CPU and PG cost than Shield based modules.

I can't hit you in my tank from 400 away at the moment. My dropsuit can counter snipe without issue-as long as he isn't head glitching. The last time I was in a PC (game before we took the district) you guys constantly spammed swarms from your home point to our home point. Even though there was ZERO chance I could kill you, you pounded the crap out of me in the best fit in the game. It was only when you actually crossed the bridge that I could even kill you. Under that circumstance It was only my decision to peel away that kept you from spamming more AV.That shouldn't be how it works. Then your ability to solo me while you strafed through my turret fire (426 RPM) was just broken. Hopefully hit detection will be fixed and you will have to actually engage vehicles to kill them.

PS not you personally, but the tactics that were used are not balanced.

Grumble Grr.. I could have sworn the Forge Gun numbers were in there. I'll track them down for you guys and post them when I find them.