It's gonna be in the new loyalty store





Following your logic, would you say vehicles should be able to hack objectives? You gotta get outta your car to hack a point, and you're not exactly inconspicuous on your way there. I don't think you're comparing apples to apples.

Vehicles have a strategic place on the field that is different to infantry. It's also a different skill tree, and costs a lot more in a lot of cases. So you can't say because infantry shouldn't do this, vehicles shouldn't do this. That's not balance, that's pointless.

Really happy with the swarm nerf and much needed AR/SR range nerf but not happy with the Forge nerfs! Come on, we heavies are neglected as it is and only have two freaking weapons to choose from:/ At least fix the HMG and give us Gallente Heavy dropsuits and armor hardeners for dropsuits. What about the tron effect that happens when the game lags out, has that been fixed? What about the shooting weapon switch glitch huh?! While your shooting and run out of ammo you switch weapons to get the kill and your character switches back towards the empty gun to finish the animation! Love most of the updates though.

I see your manipulation attempt.

I could agree with you if all weapons were a legitimate threat to vehicles. However, part of your vehicle advantage is that all weapons, except the few AV weapons, have their damage reduced by more than 75% when used against vehicles. That on top of ten times more EHP and a higher top speed than a speed fit scout gives vehicles, even the HAV, some nice advantages.

You see my manipulation attempt? I'm not following...I can't see it. Can you explain how I'm manipulating something? I didn't intend to do that so I'd like to know. I'm not clear on what you're saying here. You can't seriously think a scrambler pistol should be able to damage a HAV can you? That's a logical extension of what you appear to be advocating.

For the record, I'm not a vehicle guy, so don't make assumptions. I am coming from a point of view that would like to see balance in the game, so that stuff can be added quickly instead of going around in circles carrying buff / nerf hammers and waiting months on end for progress. So I'd really like to understand how I might be making my life as infantry harder in an unbalanced way.

I'm following the points you're making, but I can't see how they make the vehicle / infantry relationship balanced. Vehicles *are* and *should be* an advantage in specific ways, shouldn't they? Just like infantry are. The trick is to get these differences right, whilst still keeping them different. Dictating that because A can't do something, then neither should B be able to, reduces variety and gets you closer to a scenario where the cheapest thing you can do is also the best thing.

You can't win a game involving hacking null cannons if everybody ran vehicles and never got out of them. So, for example, what do you see (I'm assuming you are an infantry guy too) a tank's role in the game as? How should they be utilised on the field?

Looks like we misread each other then.

What I'm trying to say is that sure, vehicles are supposed to have some advantages. LAVs have speed, dropships have flight and troop carrying capacity, and HAVs have large turrets. All vehicles get seventy-five plus percent resistance to small arms, are faster than infantry, have better EHP (except for the LAV when compared to a proto EHP speced sentinal), and HAV's have about ten times the average EHP than the average assault.

Weapons made specifically for use against vehicles shouldn't be made to have little to no effect. Infantry who fit AV are at a disadvantage against other non-AV infantry. That sacrifice should allow a counterbalance to vehicle advantages. AV should always be a legitimate threat to vehicles, not just an annoyance. If you want to consider it an advantage, AV infantry's only advantages over vehicles is that they're smaller and more likely able to utilize terrain for cover, while wielding low ammo capacity weapons that should be effective versus vehicles without having to use more than twenty-five percent of their base total ammo capacity.

With the state the game is in right now, specifically team size, it is unreasonable to call for the creation of a norm where three plus mercs have to dedicate to AV to threaten a solo pilot and his HAV/dropship.

Other games I've played a heavy slow fire AV role in, I've taken out enemy vehicles in two to three shots, sometimes even one. This is the only game I've ever played where, on average, I have to reload to finish a HAV while using the most effective AV weapon providing it doesn't escape while I'm reloading.

As it's going to stand in 1.7, Vehicles (maybe just HAV's) will have short "windows of opportunity" when the vehicles will shine and be nearly indestructible. Between those "windows" the AV will shine. Both sides of the line will have to consider their opportunities to press their advantage.

So what your saying is that tanks arent underpowerd and dropships should continue to be killed with 2 shots from a swarm launcher. You are trying to tell me somthing that people put millions of sp and isk into and spends 700, 000isk to restock
SHOULD be completely obliterated with 2 shots from a swarm? You are trying to tell me that swarmers are at a disadvantage is a scrambler pistol a weak wepon to you? Does a comando suit with a proto ar and a swarm sound light to you. Does the spechialist swarm launcher with a "extended lock on time fair" ( it has a increased lock on time of under 1 secound yet a breach forge gun has a extended charge time of about 3 secounds. Yes ccp because under 1 sec is extended I think you should lay of the weed for a while") sound fair. Do you not know wtf a tank is here ill put the dictionary meaning here for you. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tank . Now the current dust514 tank. : a vehical which gos pewpewpew and can die with a few little stupid rockets named swarmies.
All vehicals need a buff and you cant compare dust with other games becaues dust is unique and dust514 is set in the future were a assualt rifle is stronger than a gataling gun.

Looks like CCP never learned their lessons from beta...

AV effectiveness drastically reduced, forge guns nerfed, tanks reworked in to viable murder platforms. CCP doesn't want people killing tanks, they just want them "harassing" them off the field temporarily. That way, they don't have to deal with tank driver crying over losing their "investment" - despite AV players and standard foot soldiers losing theirs by the boatload.

Welcome back Tank514. As someone who dedicated themselves to AV, I don't think I'll be bothering to come back after this deployment.

don"t solo vehicles ????? so what we should run a full squad of av? where is your head at this takes several playes out of the infantry fight as av guys are not set up to kill players. A good squad should have a mix of players 1 player with av in a squad should be enough. most modern av weapons will kill any tank or lesser transport in 1 hit so killing a tank in 3 to 5 swarms should be resalable. maybe tanks shouldn't run around solo! as you try to imply its a team game not a me game so lone tanks should be just as vulnerable to av weapons as troupes are to a blaster tank or installations are to a rail gun tank

Also, I am curious what that impulse impact for weapons is?

They added a timer and you can remove your turrets.

Looks like we misread each other then.

What I'm trying to say is that sure, vehicles are supposed to have some advantages. LAVs have speed, dropships have flight and troop carrying capacity, and HAVs have large turrets. All vehicles get seventy-five plus percent resistance to small arms, are faster than infantry, have better EHP (except for the LAV when compared to a proto EHP speced sentinal), and HAV's have about ten times the average EHP than the average assault.

Weapons made specifically for use against vehicles shouldn't be made to have little to no effect. Infantry who fit AV are at a disadvantage against other non-AV infantry. That sacrifice should allow a counterbalance to vehicle advantages. AV should always be a legitimate threat to vehicles, not just an annoyance. If you want to consider it an advantage, AV infantry's only advantages over vehicles is that they're smaller and more likely able to utilize terrain for cover, while wielding low ammo capacity weapons that should be effective versus vehicles without having to use more than twenty-five percent of their base total ammo capacity.

With the state the game is in right now, specifically team size, it is unreasonable to call for the creation of a norm where three plus mercs have to dedicate to AV to threaten a solo pilot and his HAV/dropship.

Other games I've played a heavy slow fire AV role in, I've taken out enemy vehicles in two to three shots, sometimes even one. This is the only game I've ever played where, on average, I have to reload to finish a HAV while using the most effective AV weapon providing it doesn't escape while I'm reloading.

As it's going to stand in 1.7, Vehicles (maybe just HAV's) will have short "windows of opportunity" when the vehicles will shine and be nearly indestructible. Between those "windows" the AV will shine. Both sides of the line will have to consider their opportunities to press their advantage.

Does that mean you get a extra seat for passengers?

Does it impact weight and in turn acceleration and speed of the vehicle?

Or is it just for the looks of it and the extra CPU/PG to spend elsewhere, I don't expect you to have the answer, but I hope someone does.

I want my skill points back o. Swarms now no point in even having them

It says the seat will be removed when there's no turret, or i think i read so.

Forget Skill Respects, I want answers on why so called developers want me to not use a Forge Gun. They make a really balanced lethal weapon and then removal everything that makes it worth heaving it on a heavy suite. If I didn't enjoy New Edan so much I was ask for my money back.

If they nerf it anymore it should just go on a Light Weapon slot.

They intend to nerf it out of existence, then there will be no heavies left.

HMG sucks, FG will soon suck, Heavy suit sucks.

I think their goal is AR/SCR/ Tank 514.

@logibro

after looking at everything that is in this patch the one thing that i am still wondering about is. will we have the ability to do something about the assets that we have racked up but no longer use due to the upgrades. a stacking penalty for using a shield extender doesnt seem to me to be of the utmost importance considering that 90 percent of the time stacking the shield extender is the only way some people can survive when they are in a match and everybody on the other team seems to have nothing but proto load out. the other concern i have is how much of a pain in the ass it is to have to go in and detonate remote explosives, i believe that if you make it to were you detonate them from your neocom as you would call in an orbital would make it a little more thrilling to use the remote explosives because as of right now it is such a pain in the ass trying to detonate them and get a kill because people usually leave the area or destroy it before you even have a chance to detonate them. my only other concern is the similarity between the minmatar basic suit and assault suit. the only difference between them is the assault suit has one extra low power slot on the adavance suit compared to the basic but everything else is the same, one would think that being that it is an assault suit they would not be almost 100% identical.

@logibro

after looking at everything that is in this patch the one thing that i am still wondering about is. will we have the ability to do something about the assets that we have racked up but no longer use due to the upgrades. a stacking penalty for using a shield extender doesnt seem to me to be of the utmost importance considering that 90 percent of the time stacking the shield extender is the only way some people can survive when they are in a match and everybody on the other team seems to have nothing but proto load out. the other concern i have is how much of a pain in the ass it is to have to go in and detonate remote explosives, i believe that if you make it to were you detonate them from your neocom as you would call in an orbital would make it a little more thrilling to use the remote explosives because as of right now it is such a pain in the ass trying to detonate them and get a kill because people usually leave the area or destroy it before you even have a chance to detonate them. my only other concern is the similarity between the minmatar basic suit and assault suit. the only difference between them is the assault suit has one extra low power slot on the adavance suit compared to the basic but everything else is the same, one would think that being that it is an assault suit they would not be almost 100% identical.

Uhm, I just spent like 1mil. SP in the AR Damage skill lvl 5 because I just came back from 4 months of inactivity and didn't realize they were adding new rifles. A skill respec would be really appreciated since I have no SP left to put into the Minmatar Combat Rifles :(.

There should be an option to at least allow 1 free SP respec in every Dust 514 merc's lifetime, for cases like these.
Either that or I would be fine with CCP allowing me to reset my total SP I've put into weaponry (since you guys ****** me over with the Flaylock Pistol RIGHT BEFORE the update that nerfed it).

Other than that, nice update! (Although my Minmatar Assault doesn't appreciate the shield nerf since my life usually depends on shields).

As much $$$ as I spent on this damn game I well expect to see Real-statistical data on why the Forge Splash and charge time was moved.

In past builds I primary used forge for anti-infantry weapon.

Forge Gun numbers!

Base
STD - Damage: 1320 to 1200 | Charge time: 3.5 to 4.0
ADV - Damage: 1452 to 1320 | Charge time: 3.5 to 4.0
PRO - Damage: 1584 to 1440 | Charge time: 3.5 to 4.0

Assault
STD GÇô N/A
ADV - Damage: 1525 to 1375 | Charge time: 2.5 to 3.0
PRO - Damage: 1663 to 1500 | Charge time: 2.5 to 3.0

Breach
STD - Damage: 2310 to 1750 | Charge time: 6.0 to 6.0
ADV - Damage: 2541 to 1925 | Charge time: 6.0 to 6.0
PRO - Damage: 2772 to 2100 | Charge time: 6.0 to 6.0

Officer - Damage: 1584 to 1440 | 2.1 to 2.4