Console gamers are a bunch of softies I tell ya. You could have done it too ya know. Geez. Do some push ups...

you play within the confines of the game, not the confines of your peers. since it's about to be fixed, why don't you write about this in your blog?

No I'm pretty sure CCP has a clear stance against cheating in an official tourney-

imagine if this happened in one of the yearly EVE tournaments? I guarantee something would be done.

The number of VERY close matches between us and AE while ariana used this glitch is easily over 20. And each time it was used it was a game changer, with ariana topping the leaderboard in kills. Kinda hard to take a compound when someone can glitch kill an entire squad in seconds. One of the MANY reasons I am done with dust.

that's so arbitrary, and silly. while in the eve tournaments there are limitations, there's also about 400 billion or so isk spent on the fight.

your tournament was small and silly. there's no need to bend over backwards for it. this was a learning experience for ccp.

Is like to hear CPMs take on this.

umm hello they are ccp
read some back ground info on them and u will se how they do things

The argument isn't about the size of the tournament. Stop trying to derail my thread with frivolous arguments;

CCP allowed a glitching team to win their tournament despite a mountain of evidence and reports

If you continue to reply like a mongoloid and not talk about the actual matter at hand, you'll warrant no more replies from me.

If someone used a glitch to instantly wipe out half a fleet in an EVE tournament, do you think CCP would let that fly? Yeah, no
CCP allows griefing, but not game breaking glitches in official matches.

is the 'glitch' available to everyone, or just the 'badguys'?

if it's available to everyone, then it's on the table as an option.

Is like to hear CPMs take on this.

That's not how it works though, just because 'everyone' can do it (ariana also exploited the infinite sprint glitch, i bet you don't even know how to perform it) doesn't mean it's okay to EXPLOIT A GAME BREAKING GLITCH IN A TOURNAMENT MATCH.
Yet again you try to make the same tired argument, so I'm finished replying to frivolous nonsense.

I mean, i'm sorry we disagree, but the standard way to handle this is to come to the forums and make ccp state whether or not there will be repercussions for using such a tactic.

normally, anything that's available within the game mechanics is allowed. even if it's frowned upon.

I can't believe there are people trying to defend the melee glitch. Are you all brain dead? You know a lot people would say to me that the game community on the forums is horrible and I would argue with them but now I agree with them. This is depressing, OP you have my sympathy.

Why won't CCP do anything?
Do they not care anymore?
Have they given up on their game?
Will devs continue to turn a blind eye to this thread and my pleas for help in the announcements section, support tickets and IRC?

Still Kobrah a bet is a bet.

Are you the Kobrah from the Dark Souls forums? The generation before mine. If so honour is honour, they may not fight your honourably, but if you hold to your code then you can stand above them.

If not that probably sounds like some wanky self righteous bullshit, considering I was the biggest Gravelording Douchebag in DKS and created a User Covenant just to troll the living **** out of player in the most difficult areas.....

I mean, i'm sorry we disagree, but the standard way to handle this is to come to the forums and make ccp state whether or not there will be repercussions for using such a tactic.

normally, anything that's available within the game mechanics is allowed. even if it's frowned upon.

Still Kobrah a bet is a bet.

Are you the Kobrah from the Dark Souls forums? The generation before mine. If so honour is honour, they may not fight your honourably, but if you hold to your code then you can stand above them.

If not that probably sounds like some wanky self righteous bullshit, considering I was the biggest Gravelording Douchebag in DKS and created a User Covenant just to troll the living **** out of player in the most difficult areas.....

If someone used a glitch to instantly wipe out half a fleet in an EVE tournament, do you think CCP would let that fly? Yeah, no
CCP allows griefing, but not game breaking glitches in official matches.

When most other games have point blank killers such as CoD's knifing, its not that bad of an exploit, I mean, you're an idiot to let the guy/gal get that close. Its not much different than a breach shotgun or a nova knifing in hands of a player that can get in that range. Melee aim assist is pretty broken (as in not working) and this exploit comes at the cost of almost all the user's stamina making them vulnerable to getting shot after the first victim.

Overall since CCP can't hotfix, prove, nor enforce it that easily without so much as a master cluster @#% of a mess I opt the do nothing approach until its fixed with a patch.

However I am just a CPM, I cannot decide for CCP, I have express my concerns about the exploit's use in the tournament having negative community impact to CCP, and honestly if you really felt it was game breaking you should have taken it to urgent fury as they're more capable of disqualifications and for matters like that Kane Spearow is your CPM man in trying to talk that mess out.

As a final word I doubt the individual using the exploit single handedly won the entire match and the individuals named so far I know would have torn your posterior a new one without the exploit at all with similar or just was bad weapons at their disposal.

You want a real exploit talk to me when people start flying around without jetpacks and infinite ammo exploits or guns firing railgun shots.

And Yes I know this is bait to make me, the CPM, or CCP bad but err on the side of caution there is your response basically telling you that you are just about too late, after the fact, and not enough stink was raised when you could have. If you want to deal with it, your fight just got that much harder, good luck but I got bigger fish to fry and I am glad for one that train wreck of a tournament is over. I know its sad that other more serious complaints about the game drowned out the initial petition off the forums but that only tells me the guys effected by it were not interested enough to keep attention to the issue. Threadnaughts are your friends when used right and your worst enemy when used wrong.

TL:TR

You suck if melee exploit kill you
CCP Don't give a ****
Too late in the game to QQ
CCP/UF tournament was ****
Guys don't give a **** and are your enemy
You need to HTFU


yeah this is so the Dust forums.

Didn't bother understanding.

You suck if melee exploit kill you
CCP Don't give a ****
Too late in the game to QQ
CCP/UF tournament was ****
Guys don't give a **** and are your enemy
You need to HTFU

yeah this is so the Dust forums.

Eh, if it wasn't the melee glitch I'm sure it would have been mass drivers, forge guns or grenades that caused you to lose 'unfairly'.

Oh I had something real snarky but knowing you guys you'll be too asinine to understand the intent of message and would have use the message to attack with it so it be better off letting you guys wonder what the snarky response would have been.

I don't see how CPMs can ever matter after the terrible precedent IWS has set in regards to so many issues presented to him over the months. You might as well let troll alts be CPMs. Whether or not it's ok for Proto melee modules to be as strong as they are, it's demonstrably broken when paired with that glitch. It's obviously very different from nova knives and breach shotguns.

CPM is nothing more then a forum tag.

it means nothing and IWS is the only one who even still plays.

at this point its just a "guy with an overinflated sence of importance" tag


no offence IWS... but can you get back to work at creating the system to elect CPM members so we can replace you and make the tag matter again?

Heinrich and Kain still play...

IWS just walked into a flame trap.

im a farily active player, a bit of a forum warrior and pretty good at the game.

i couldnt tell you the names of the CPM other then IWS and novaknife...


that doesnt exactly inspire confidence in their engagement with the community.

Where have you been, Moody? I'll need to talk to you soon...

Hey you owe rampage 500mill for that bet. Just saying..

Lots of scrubs in here defending an exploit. I'm not saying you're not good players; just saying only scrubs defend the use of exploits.

lol yea you never played football before...throw some dirt on it.

lol yea you never played football before...throw some dirt on it.

Heinrich plays, mostly at night or early morning. He cares about game and wants it to succeed.
Me I care less and less every day

so steroids is a completly acceptable part of football, its available to everyone, so they should just HTFU and join the club if the dont want to be stomped by the roid brigade

They really should.
Might actually watch a few games if they did. :p

posting just to say lolIWS
such a waste of a CPM spot

You should push for them to be disqualified, with the proof here and players on their team admitting they know Arirana did indeed knowingly and intentionally glitch in the synergy match to exploit their win there's simply no reason besides apathy and more importantly incompetence.

Hey now.. I don't think we should be disqualified. At the time, the melee glitch had not been confirmed by ccp as a glitch nor very well known. Sooo.. I think a simple slap on the wrist like a loss of the SyN game round and a stern msg from CCP tellin ari not to continue (which we told him to stop anyway afterward) would of been enough.

Stop wasting your yelling on stupid issues, save it for real ones, some folks are deaf up there.

Pretty empty call coming from a guy that would have quit the CPM assuredly.

Iron Wolf Saber,

How do you represent the community when you spend so much time attacking it and acting like it has no valid criticisms of CCP?



The community decides for itself what issues are real and which ones aren't. You'd know that if you were really trying to represent us. If your role is not to lead then telling us which issues are important and which ones aren't is hypocrisy of the first order.

You say attacking you or CCP is a waste of time? Maybe spend less time attacking the community you supposedly represent and that won't be our default response.



Objection, speculative.

The number of VERY close matches between us and AE while ariana used this glitch is easily over 20. And each time it was used it was a game changer, with ariana topping the leaderboard in kills. Kinda hard to take a compound when someone can glitch kill an entire squad in seconds. One of the MANY reasons I am done with dust.

This is video footage of me being glitched multiple times by merc Ariana, of Ancient Exiles, during a tournament match (Synergy vs. AE)

(recorded on a potato, watch in HD)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZzknb2SiOg

as you can clearly see and hear, the melee glitch was exploited and clearly changed the outcome of the match.

All of this during CCP's marquee "PRIME LEAGUE" tournament.

Members of my corp sent this video in to urgent fury, contacted devs in IRC, and sent in support tickets.

Did CCP remove AE from the tourney?
No!
Did CCP dock AE points for using a game-breaking glitch in the tourney?
No!
Did CCP so much as contact their members to give them a slap on the wrist, or say "stop it?"
NO!

How in good conscience can the developers can allow a team who has been observed, and recorded CHEATING in an OFFICIAL THREE MONTH LONG TOURNAMENT to not only continue to participate, but win the tourney overall?

In this thread you will probably see a lot of AE damage control, saying things like "LOL WE STOPPED" and "IT DIDNT MATTER LEL" when Ariana recorded nearly 100+ kills in the 3 matches against us, and none of that reasoning changes the fact that they were recorded using a game breaking glitch in the tournament.

The worst part of all of this, is because CCP never took any action, more deserving corps never got their shot in the final rounds.

Why won't CCP do anything?
Do they not care anymore?
Have they given up on their game?
Will devs continue to turn a blind eye to this thread and my pleas for help in the announcements section, support tickets and IRC?


Furthermore, what would the community do? Ban their corp from the tourney for condoning and knowingly exploiting a game breaking glitch? dock them points? Kick them out of the semifinals and replace them with a more deserving team?

Also, how do you feel about CCP turning a blind eye to this entire fiasco, ignoring people's cries for help they're losing games because the other team is CHEATING?

Stay tuned.

Let me be clear, this was my very first run-in with the melee glitch, my corp mates warned me of it so i set up my phone to record since I figured it would be pretty clear glitching in a tourney should result in a ban. Furthermore, this happened at a time when the game didn't aim for you and hit detection was still terrible, so it was almost impossible to combat this garbage. infinite sprint glitch + kinetic catalyzers + melee glitch = one man wrecking ball, and this is not something that should happen in a "prime league" tournament.



So the CPM condones glitching in tourney, that's absolutely incredible to me. The "voice of the people" thinks it's perfectly okay to exploit game-breaking glitches to win official CCP-run tournament matches.


And people wonder why the population drops faster by the day.

I never said anything about approval nor encouragement of the glitch, stop imagining things.

Your message was pretty clear, you don't think there should be any punishment for winning tournament matches via glitching.

I opt the do nothing approach

This isn't hard to understand, you don't think there should be anything done about glitching to win tourney matches, despite the fact WTF was disqualified for breaking the rules...yet AE can glitch and go unscaved???

Statement: WTF broke UF's roster rules clearly.

Counterpoint: Get back on topic.

Insult: Spelling everything out.

There is no proof. Your video can be from any match and the "recording" is complete joke from off-camera from a angle that makes no sense.

Please provide real evidence and then talk cheating... and don't make drama on forums but just send ticket to GMs and talk about it.

I'd be happy to edit in the pre-war barge footage I cut out before uploading this to prove it was a tournament match with full rosters of registered players.

Trying to argue against my proof is asinine, ONE OF THE LEADERS OF AE HAS ADMITTED HIMSELF THEY GLITCHED IN TOURNEY IN THE WAR ROOM

This isn't hard to understand, you don't think there should be anything done about glitching to win tourney matches, despite the fact WTF was disqualified for breaking the rules...yet AE can glitch and go unscaved???

I'd be happy to edit in the pre-war barge footage I cut out before uploading this to prove it was a tournament match with full rosters of registered players.

Trying to argue against my proof is asinine, ONE OF THE LEADERS OF AE HAS ADMITTED HIMSELF THEY GLITCHED IN TOURNEY IN THE WAR ROOM

Let me play the tiniest violin in the world.... HA who cares, a LOSS is a LOSS. Hahahahaha............ The tears is this thread could power three countries. True story.

if your not cheating your not playing the way you should. *cough* auto aim assists* cough*

i blame IWS for this one.

Counter Argument: hearsay evidence EON used the glitch too.

Encouragement: Keep digging, breaking bedrock now.

Yup out for the dog house for me again. You should be thankful for CPM Kane though he was the first to raise the issue well before the tournament even started.

Well the MAIN argument would be: you could've cheated as well. You had same opportunity as the other guy. And nobody can prove that your team DIDN'T cheat. (although cheating word is ridiculous in this context to be even used but that's different topic)

Our corporation has not, and will never resort to cheating. It's on the moderators and administrators and admins to assure cheating goes punished and the TOURNAMENT doesn't devolve into a melee-glitching fest.

So this is pretty much translated into "Trust us, we didn't cheat but the other guys did!" Hehe.

Oh oh oh, let me add onto that.

Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it!

Look on the brightside did y'all have fun playin de video game? Isn't dat all dat mathers?

Popcorn at the ready

Yeah I had a lot of fun getting slaughtered by a game-breaking glitch in an official CCP tournament.

1. Send in a ticket. The forums aren't a good place to get your issues dealt with
2. Send a ticket to UrgentFury
3. Put some more effort into it and you might actually get some where

1. Send in a ticket. The forums aren't a good place to get your issues dealt with
2. Send a ticket to UrgentFury
3. Put some more effort into it and you might actually get some where

/pops up a chair and some popcorn

good idea, anyone who takes part in a tournament should know every cheat and glitch and abuse the puck out of them because CCP put them in there for us to use even if they say don't. its CCP.

This has all been done. CCP is literally ignoring every effort to rectify this problem.

Also it's been brought to my attention AE has a player register and play a day after sign-ups were closed. Tickets have been submitted but no action has been taken by CCP despite WTF being DQ'd for the exact same thing.

you are acting childish

you do not deserve the title you hold

you are trolln and that is against the forum rules

you are a very bad example for the community

you are acting childish

you do not deserve the title you hold

you are trolln and that is against the forum rules

you are a very bad example for the community

CCP=that teacher that knows you shouldn't be doing something but turns a blind eye because they support your cause

Glitchers:But Prof.CCP you said you wouldn't give me a retake on the final.

Prof. CCP: I don't know what you're talking about.

Glitchers:thanks CCP, thanks a lot

Prof: I still don't know what you're talking about

This has all been done. CCP is literally ignoring every effort to rectify this problem.

Also it's been brought to my attention AE had a player register and play a day after sign-ups were closed. Tickets have been submitted but no action has been taken by CCP despite WTF being DQ'd for the exact same thing.

I have irrefutable evidence AE glitched in the tournament, and I'm the unreasonable one?

how much is CCP paying you for damage control?

This is just pathetic.

Literally ignoring? You raised this issue today, do you really think they would react in less than 24h from raising an issue?

Wait a bit. Take a deep breath. Look outside, word is beautiful! <3

Childish or not, the original poster is beyond reasoning with, helping, working with, conflict resolution, counter progressive, and doesn't want to help me help him. So kicking him down the stairs is more appropriate.

He cannot simply answer how to resolve proving which of all alliances used the said exploit?

I don't think he understands the larger community impact of reversing these sort of things after they're broadcasted to the world and beyond.

I really don't honestly think he knows how CCP is very likely not going to pick a solution to his satisfaction, rather they will take the path of least community damage. Which in EON still gains nothing.

It really really doesn't help that synergy quitting has nearly destroyed all clout they had which in turn disfavors anything synergy had going for them into almost nothing. While the departure is noted the influence beyond that is gone now.

EON is already very unpopular with most other alliances as they hogged the only ball on the court and used a massive number of cheats during planetary conquest fights which has made them look very bad and got them labeled the new bad guys after Negative Feedback left.

AE Won, nobody raised magikarps about it before they got to that point. UF is done with the tournament and probably no longer has any more obligations over the tournament. He cannot prove the other 5 prize winners let alone all the possible runner ups to replace those removed ever used the exploit.

Setting bad example? If more people chastised bad posters I'd be more than happy.

I'll join the growing number of pop corn eaters, this is getting to entertaining now.

/popcorn's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKtljkBIZsw

The issue was raised a while ago, It was brought up on UF and Dust after the first glitch to place, it should go punished, just like WTF was, different circumstances but still the same result, gaining an unfair advantage.

This 1000x, i made a post on UF forums and PM'd UF admins about this with the video and nothing was done. tickets and IRC contact was sent to CCP a month ago, and nothing was done.

I warned CCP logibro in the announcements thread a week ago there was going to be a problem if no action was taken

and now there's a problem.

Nothing.

You want to know something scarier?

I would have made the same exact posts even if I wasn't a CPM member.

I'd rank this tourney to be about as serious as a middle school pokemon card duel during recess. Quick melee has been around for over a year. Until there is a blue tag that explicitly calls it cheating HTFU.

I'd rank this tourney to be about as serious as a middle school pokemon card duel during recess. Quick melee has been around for over a year. Until there is a blue tag that explicitly calls it cheating HTFU.

Sorry to say it king but, I didn't see or hear anything!
Irrespective of that your health was low so, it probably only took 1 melee anyway!

In addition to this your video is of poor quality, and I it is hard to see who the culprit is.
Likely CCP decided it wasn't enough evidence to move on!

From what I can tell, CCP doesnt do anything about glitchers and exploiters because they feel its their fault they allowed something like that slip by their development team. As someone has said, this sets a bad example on future tournaments where glitching and exploiting is allowed because CCP has to take the fault. Next bug/glitch/exploit that gets introduced before a tournament will get abused to hell. If thats how CCP feels their tournaments should run, I'm glad I'm not part of it.

woah scapegoat, your not going to push off blame on kane. jenna would be much better to push some blame on

You can actually tell he did melee you, but your health was so low it only took ONE melee so the rest of the hits which were in fact melee glitch didn't hit so therefore your **** is invalid. AHAHAHAHAHAH SWAGGGGGGGGGG

Dumbed down just for you: he didn't kill you with the second one nor the third it was the first that killed you which wasn't part of the combo melee glitch

CCP=that teacher that knows you shouldn't be doing something but turns a blind eye because they support your cause

Glitchers:But Prof.CCP you said you wouldn't give me a retake on the final.

Prof. CCP: I don't know what you're talking about.

Glitchers:thanks CCP, thanks a lot

Prof: I still don't know what you're talking about

Counter attacking actually. What's the new term people been saying, 'passive aggressive'. Traps are only sprung when stepped on. Most of these Massholes don't get it, they never will get it so the best I can do is burn them one at a time to make them start thinking a bit more because simple one shots taunts don't work on me. I have been counter trolling on forums for nearly 20 years.

Sorry to say it king but, I didn't see or hear anything!
Irrespective of that your health was low so, it probably only took 1 melee anyway!
On points where you havd high health, the melee is accompanied by explosions!


In addition to this your video is of poor quality, and I it is hard to see who the culprit is.
Likely CCP decided it wasn't enough evidence to move on!

Childish or not, the original poster is beyond reasoning with, helping, working with, conflict resolution, counter progressive, and doesn't want to help me help him. So kicking him down the stairs is more appropriate.

He cannot simply answer how to resolve proving which of all alliances used the said exploit?

I don't think he understands the larger community impact of reversing these sort of things after they're broadcasted to the world and beyond.

I really don't honestly think he knows how CCP is very likely not going to pick a solution to his satisfaction, rather they will take the path of least community damage. Which in EON still gains nothing.

It really really doesn't help that synergy quitting has nearly destroyed all clout they had which in turn disfavors anything synergy had going for them into almost nothing. While the departure is noted the influence beyond that is gone now.

EON is already very unpopular with most other alliances as they hogged the only ball on the court and used a massive number of cheats during planetary conquest fights which has made them look very bad and got them labeled the new bad guys after Negative Feedback left.

AE Won, nobody raised magikarps about it before they got to that point. UF is done with the tournament and probably no longer has any more obligations over the tournament. He cannot prove the other 5 prize winners let alone all the possible runner ups to replace those removed ever used the exploit.

Setting bad example? If more people chastised bad posters I'd be more than happy.

I'll join the growing number of pop corn eaters, this is getting to entertaining now.

/popcorn's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKtljkBIZsw

unless there were players on most if not all teams using the same exploit. might have been hard for ccp to react if it meant kicking out all the teams in the tournament.

we all know by now if there is an exploit or something op everyone that can, will exploit it even your own team and friends.

This is video footage of me being glitched multiple times by merc Ariana, of Ancient Exiles, during a tournament match (Synergy vs. AE)

(recorded on a potato, watch in HD)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZzknb2SiOg

as you can clearly see and hear, the melee glitch was exploited and clearly changed the outcome of the match.

All of this during CCP's marquee "PRIME LEAGUE" tournament.

Members of my corp sent this video in to urgent fury, contacted devs in IRC, and sent in support tickets.

Did CCP remove AE from the tourney?
No!
Did CCP dock AE points for using a game-breaking glitch in the tourney?
No!
Did CCP so much as contact their members to give them a slap on the wrist, or say "stop it?"
NO!

How in good conscience can the developers can allow a team who has been observed, and recorded CHEATING in an OFFICIAL THREE MONTH LONG TOURNAMENT to not only continue to participate, but win the tourney overall?

In this thread you will probably see a lot of AE damage control, saying things like "LOL WE STOPPED" and "IT DIDNT MATTER LEL" when Ariana recorded nearly 100+ kills in the 3 matches against us, and none of that reasoning changes the fact that they were recorded using a game breaking glitch in the tournament.

The worst part of all of this, is because CCP never took any action, more deserving corps never got their shot in the final rounds.

Why won't CCP do anything?
Do they not care anymore?
Have they given up on their game?
Will devs continue to turn a blind eye to this thread and my pleas for help in the announcements section, support tickets and IRC?


Furthermore, what would the community do? Ban their corp from the tourney for condoning and knowingly exploiting a game breaking glitch? dock them points? Kick them out of the semifinals and replace them with a more deserving team?

Also, how do you feel about CCP turning a blind eye to this entire fiasco, ignoring people's cries for help they're losing games because the other team is CHEATING?

Stay tuned.

Iron Wolf Saber,

How do you represent the community when you spend so much time attacking it and acting like it has no valid criticisms of CCP?

Iron Wolf Saber,

How do you represent the community when you spend so much time attacking it and acting like it has no valid criticisms of CCP?

I think he represents the community very well in terms of the way we generally operate in the forms. We always attack each other and make fun of gomers who QQ and so on.

As CPM he's a player first and a way for information to get from us to CCP.

To the OP... play some team sports. If the ref doesn't catch it on the field then you pretty much have to live with it. Perhaps if you are ten you still think the world is or can be fair. Now, everybody can form opinions about cheating so-and-so's and how they play the game but you just have to find a way to kick ass anyway.

Football, soccer, hockey, and so on. There's always tricks people can do that are below the level that will be called by a ref as its part of the game.

Grow up a little bit.

This 1000x, i made a post on UF forums and PM'd UF admins about this with the video and nothing was done. tickets and IRC contact was sent to CCP a month ago, and nothing was done.

I warned CCP logibro in the announcements thread a week ago there was going to be a problem if no action was taken


and now there's a problem.

e-sports

Your ineffectual fumbling with the forum trolls is not what I'm talking about when I say you're attacking the community (more on that in a minute).

The facts are that a glitch was used during the tournament, brought to CCP's attention (you yourself have testified to this), and they did nothing about it. Your attempts to hold the community responsible for CCP's inaction is unbecoming of someone in the office you hold.

Additional, I fail to see how enabling trolls falls under the heading of "counter trolling". By engaging such people you ensure that should someone attempt rational discourse you can only either acknowledge points they have made and provide an opening for further attack by trolls or stonewall that point and kill discourse. How after "20 years" have you not learned the finer points of not feeding the trolls? How can you believe you are "burning them" when your criticisms are unsubstantiated suppositions like "you would have quit."? Criticisms which I found especially rich given your attempts to justify the absence of your fellow council members.

This is video footage of me being glitched multiple times by merc Ariana, of Ancient Exiles, during a tournament match (Synergy vs. AE)

(recorded on a potato, watch in HD)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZzknb2SiOg

as you can clearly see and hear, the melee glitch was exploited and clearly changed the outcome of the match.

All of this during CCP's marquee "PRIME LEAGUE" tournament.

Members of my corp sent this video in to urgent fury, contacted devs in IRC, and sent in support tickets.

Did CCP remove AE from the tourney?
No!
Did CCP dock AE points for using a game-breaking glitch in the tourney?
No!
Did CCP so much as contact their members to give them a slap on the wrist, or say "stop it?"
NO!

How in good conscience can the developers can allow a team who has been observed, and recorded CHEATING in an OFFICIAL THREE MONTH LONG TOURNAMENT to not only continue to participate, but win the tourney overall?

In this thread you will probably see a lot of AE damage control, saying things like "LOL WE STOPPED" and "IT DIDNT MATTER LEL" when Ariana recorded nearly 100+ kills in the 3 matches against us, and none of that reasoning changes the fact that they were recorded using a game breaking glitch in the tournament.

The worst part of all of this, is because CCP never took any action, more deserving corps never got their shot in the final rounds.

Why won't CCP do anything?
Do they not care anymore?
Have they given up on their game?
Will devs continue to turn a blind eye to this thread and my pleas for help in the announcements section, support tickets and IRC?


Furthermore, what would the community do? Ban their corp from the tourney for condoning and knowingly exploiting a game breaking glitch? dock them points? Kick them out of the semifinals and replace them with a more deserving team?

Also, how do you feel about CCP turning a blind eye to this entire fiasco, ignoring people's cries for help they're losing games because the other team is CHEATING?

Stay tuned.

...snip...

I'm sorry, if the only response you have for me is borderline gibberish then I cannot continue this conversation.

Please feel free to believe whatever you like. I'll simply wait quietly for CPM1.

Hahahahaha. Whatever.

also fixed.

Oh I had something real snarky but knowing you guys you'll be too asinine to understand the intent of message and would have use the message to attack with it so it be better off letting you guys wonder what the snarky response would have been.

No I'm pretty sure CCP has a clear stance against cheating in an official tourney-

imagine if this happened in one of the yearly EVE tournaments? I guarantee something would be done.

Y'know, I find it funny (yes, I really do) that people are still QQing about the CPM.

Never have I seen such a ridiculous set of expectations put on people that can only relate what other people are doing with and talking about within the game.

Boo hoo, you didn't listen to *MY* idea... you suck.

Waaah, the game isn't moving fast enough... you suck.

QQ, my crying isn't getting me want I want... I want my mommy and... you suck.

What, CCP didn't take your advice... you suck.

Grrr, CPM member expressed an opinion... you suck and I'm going to troll you mercilessly, always looking for some way to get one up on any CPM member who dares express an opinion (ima gonna quote you on everything).

Ok, I know, not quite everyone falls into one of these groups but you have to admit the CPM has been both powerless and everyones favorite "whipping boy" for ages.

Game breaking exploits such as this have been punished in EVE for years.

And UF's posted rules clearly stated that the use of exploits is prohibited and grounds for disqualification. CCP sponsored the tournament, so this makes it their responsibility to uphold as well.
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please give an example of CCP punishing people for it.

When Aperture Harmonics abused WH mechanics they were fined hundreds of billions of ISK by CCP in retaliation.

Incorrect, they used the infinite gun to kill hundreds (possibly thousands) of players in PVP who attempted to venture into that wormhole.

Game breaking? You have to sneak up on someone in order to kill a single person by hand... now, while a glitch may be a glitch, I don't think you can call this game breaking by any QQing of the imagination.

Do people really need to keep complaining about it ? You know nothing will be done about the tourney so suck it up. The Melee glitch is being fixed october 8th and there is no sprint glitch. In the video I saw you get melee from close range.

God dam, its a game ! Don't like it dont play it simple. Get mad ? play a different game and do not need to tell people you won't be spending money. Thats irrelevant. Be a grown up and say fuk it and keep playing.

END OF TOPIC.

Thank you

Arirana doesn't sneak up on you, though. He hides behind corners with an active scanner and when he detects you, he runs at you in a heavily shielded speed suit. It doesn't matter if you know he is coming or not, your bullets will not drop him before he reaches you unless your entire team is firing at him.

And if you have to devote that many resources to one person, then yes. The game is effectively broken.


You cannot compare that to the knife in COD, because COD movement is not that fast and COD HP is not that high. The knife is easily dealt with there. The melee glitch ignores the high HP of the opponent, abuses the high HP of the glitcher himself and takes full advantage of the speed mods on the suit.

It is broken and has no legitimate counter.

On the contrary, melee is cool.

I dig nova knifes, cause you have to be fragile as hell to pull off the high damage hits.

The glitch has no check or balance attached however. It's broken.

Reputation is everything.

People who QQ too much also get a reputation. Relax. It's over. Done.

CPM is nothing more then a forum tag.

it means nothing and IWS is the only one who even still plays.

at this point its just a "guy with an overinflated sence of importance" tag


no offence IWS... but can you get back to work at creating the system to elect CPM members so we can replace you and make the tag matter again?

I dig nova knifes, cause you have to be fragile as hell to pull off the high damage hits.

You can back pedal all you like. he is no weaker or stronger then the average proto assault... He's on even footing. just with melee instead of a gun.



Sounds like he made a really good Fit and invested skill points into it. AND THEN uses tactic's like a scanner and that's just way to unfair.


You are a picture of those CoD people complainaing that they got 1 shot melee'd.... Welcome to First person shooters...

You can back pedal all you like. he is no weaker or stronger then the average proto assault... He's on even footing. just with melee instead of a gun.



Sounds like he made a really good Fit and invested skill points into it. AND THEN uses tactic's like a scanner and that's just way to unfair.


You are a picture of those CoD people complainaing that they got 1 shot melee'd.... Welcome to First person shooters...

You are a picture of every forum troll too scared to post on his main, as well as a clown with an agenda.


You also probably shouldn't be using the line "welcome to first person shooters" on me, as I am the type who would money match IRL and send you home wearing a trash bag.

Define weaker?

They hit harder, move faster having better scan detection and better dampening to mask themselves. There has to be a balance to that.

A lack of HP is that balance.


Arirana has no such balance. He can see everybody due to active scanner, has high HP, moves ridiculously fast and has can kill multiple targets in a row with ease.

Even the stealthiest nova knifer has to pick his fights. He can't drop everybody instantly like a glitcher can.

have you ever seen radar? and i can confirm ari can only kill 2 in a row before having to rely on shotguns.

have you ever seen radar? and i can confirm ari can only kill 2 in a row before having to rely on shotguns.

also, until kobrah pays me what he owes everything he says is a lie.


how do we even know that video is from the tournament? since AE has fought SyN multiple times during the FEC war he could've taken the video at any time and just said it was from the tourney out of spite. he's a liar and less than a man. please take anything he says with a grain of salt.

Clearly it isn't.

But if they don't, this black mark will forever stain their reputation.

I wonder if I should start contacting media outlets if we don't get a response soon? I hear they like that. Seemed to work well back during Incarna.

The server logs confirm that Arirana was present and glitching out the game.

CCP holds all of the evidence, it's up to them whether or not they want to do the right thing.

But if they don't, this black mark will forever stain their reputation.

I wonder if I should start contacting media outlets if we don't get a response soon? I hear they like that. Seemed to work well back during Incarna.

How do you know what the servers track and don't track? Are you a CCP database or network engineer?

Define weaker?

They hit harder, move faster having better scan detection and better dampening to mask themselves. There has to be a balance to that.

A lack of HP is that balance.


Arirana has no such balance. He can see everybody due to active scanner, has high HP, moves ridiculously fast and has can kill multiple targets in a row with ease.

Even the stealthiest nova knifer has to pick his fights. He can't drop everybody instantly like a glitcher can.