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Toby Flenderson
research lab
The Superpowers
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Posted - 2013.09.30 07:33:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Toby Flenderson wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Toby Flenderson wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Seriously how many time did AE use this glitch in the tournament. Once, twice, every game? I've only seen one example of the glitch being used which is no way a reason to disqualify a whole corp simply because one person used a glitch (I HIGHLY doubt one person won the match anyways). If anything is going to happen it should be a re match without the glitcher fighting.
God this thread is filled to the brim with fail and biased arguments from both sides. This is just fking ridiculous (Especially since this tournament was the most poorly organized fail of a tournament I've ever seen)
Really I highly doubt CCP will do anything about this simply because this was technically not against the rules of the tournament. If it were to be ruled cheating to use the melee glitch then the team with the cheater should be disqualified. They knew that the person was going to use the glitch considering they have been in PC matches for a while now. They accepted it and allowed them to participate. At that point they accept responsibilities for the teammate's actions. It's that simple. Prove that they knowingly allowed someone to glitch to win a match. All I've read is baseless arguments with little to no proof. It doesn't even matter if they knew. I don't need to prove the highly likely case that a corp as organized as AE knows the tactics of their teammates or how unlikely it is that no one noticed the melee in the kill feed the whole time. My argument hinges on the fact that the corp is responsible for who it chooses to represent it. If they choose poorly then that is their fault and their problem if their chosen players "cheat". It's actually a really simple argument. So you're saying that CCP should punish an entire corp for one players actions in a single match (As far as I know at least). Yeeeeeaaaa, no. That is a very horrible idea. Like I said they should just do a rematch without the glitcher(s) being in it.
You're clearly not reading what I'm saying and it's getting a little tiring explaining this over and over. I'll try to explain this to you in easier terms...
The corp chooses who is on their team for a tournament battle. They have 16 spots so they have to make 16 wise choices to fill those spots on their team. They want to win so they probably pick their best players. If they then win with these 16 best players then the corp would share in the prizes and bragging rights due to their wise choices. If they instead picked their 16 worst players and lost then they would be responsible for the consequences of this choice as well. If they picked their top 15 players and one ****** player that suicided constantly they would possibly lose. If this were the case then the entire corp would be responsible for the loss because it was their job to pick the best players. They pay the price for their poor choices.
Now... If you understand that then we're good so far. But now try to understand this...
If that 16th player instead cheated or violated the rules of the tournament or simple sat around pleasuring themselves while they hacked into the server and blatantly declared themselves the winner of the tournament... The team would pay the price for the choice the elect that player to participate. If they were found guilty of cheating then that team should be disqualified. The rest of the team, having fought fairly, should blame themselves or the corp member who chose the cheater for allowing a member of their team to cheat.
"Prove they knew about it"... It doesn't matter if they knew about it because it is their responsibility to make sure that everyone on their team plays by the rules. They can't just play dumb and accept the positive consequences of the teammate's actions while not also accepting the negative consequences.
Hopefully this makes sense to you.
Possibly the best part of your response is your inference that I think they should be disqualified. I'm saying IF (with a loud, titanic "I" "F") it were decided that the melee glitch was cheating then, yes, AE all should be punished. All of what I've said has been based on the conditional statement "IF one person from AE cheated, then they should be all pay the price".
It would be like me saying "IF you don't understand the logic of conditional statements, THEN you shouldn't act like you do or put words in my mouth". The conclusion following the "THEN" only applies when the condition after the "IF" is satisfied.
Argue all you want about the IF but my THEN is perfectly sound, which you seem to ignore. It's not a horrible idea to hold corps accountable for their members considering it's completely in their power to add/remove members. |
Piraten Hovnoret
No Tax Scrubs
110
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Posted - 2013.09.30 07:57:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:After reading the hole thread and al it's trolling and flaming I wonder wy CCP have not responded?
That's just plain rude if you ask me!
son, are you paying attention in class? make sure do...
In what way was I disrespectful to you to generate and deserv that kind of elitist and diminishing post from you my god sir?
Sir sence you obviously are the hight of wisdom I urge you to start a school where we the less educated can take in al of your and yours only life wisdom.
Best regards Dr Eriksson
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Ascifi Ogrop
No Free Pass
72
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Posted - 2013.09.30 08:15:00 -
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Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:After reading the hole thread and al it's trolling and flaming I wonder wy CCP have not responded?
That's just plain rude if you ask me!
son, are you paying attention in class? make sure do... In what way was I disrespectful to you to generate and deserv that kind of elitist and diminishing post from you my god sir? Sir sence you obviously are the hight of wisdom I urge you to start a school where we the less educated can take in al of your and yours only life wisdom. Best regards Dr Eriksson
It's the fact your in an English lesson and not using the correct spelling etc.....o wait.
And as Tony says, it is correct the whole team gets punished, like in any other tournament/league when someone cheats to gain an advantage. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2414
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Posted - 2013.09.30 08:17:00 -
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Ascifi Ogrop wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:After reading the hole thread and al it's trolling and flaming I wonder wy CCP have not responded?
That's just plain rude if you ask me!
son, are you paying attention in class? make sure do... In what way was I disrespectful to you to generate and deserv that kind of elitist and diminishing post from you my god sir? Sir sence you obviously are the hight of wisdom I urge you to start a school where we the less educated can take in al of your and yours only life wisdom. Best regards Dr Eriksson It's the fact your in an English lesson and not using the correct spelling etc.....o wait. And as Tony says, it is correct the whole team gets punished, like in any other tournament/league when someone cheats to gain an advantage.
You're
Contraction of You are.
Just trying to be helpful. |
Toby Flenderson
research lab
The Superpowers
59
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Posted - 2013.09.30 08:17:00 -
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Ascifi Ogrop wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:After reading the hole thread and al it's trolling and flaming I wonder wy CCP have not responded?
That's just plain rude if you ask me!
son, are you paying attention in class? make sure do... In what way was I disrespectful to you to generate and deserv that kind of elitist and diminishing post from you my god sir? Sir sence you obviously are the hight of wisdom I urge you to start a school where we the less educated can take in al of your and yours only life wisdom. Best regards Dr Eriksson It's the fact your in an English lesson and not using the correct spelling etc.....o wait. And as Tony says, it is correct the whole team gets punished, like in any other tournament/league when someone cheats to gain an advantage.
You're* and Toby*. Sorry but if you call him out on English... |
DS 10
Will Ring For Booze
990
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Posted - 2013.09.30 08:23:00 -
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Toby Flenderson wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Seriously how many time did AE use this glitch in the tournament. Once, twice, every game? I've only seen one example of the glitch being used which is no way a reason to disqualify a whole corp simply because one person used a glitch (I HIGHLY doubt one person won the match anyways). If anything is going to happen it should be a re match without the glitcher fighting.
God this thread is filled to the brim with fail and biased arguments from both sides. This is just fking ridiculous (Especially since this tournament was the most poorly organized fail of a tournament I've ever seen)
Really I highly doubt CCP will do anything about this simply because this was technically not against the rules of the tournament. If it were to be ruled cheating to use the melee glitch then the team with the cheater should be disqualified. They knew that the person was going to use the glitch considering they have been in PC matches for a while now. They accepted it and allowed them to participate. At that point they accept responsibilities for the teammate's actions. It's that simple.
The thing is the glitch was never formally named against any rules. If today CCP put out a statement that the melee glitch is in fact cheating, they still wouldn't punish AE. You know why? You can't punish som+¿one for doing an illegal thing before what they're doing becomes illegal. |
Ascifi Ogrop
No Free Pass
72
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Posted - 2013.09.30 08:25:00 -
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Toby Flenderson wrote:Ascifi Ogrop wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:After reading the hole thread and al it's trolling and flaming I wonder wy CCP have not responded?
That's just plain rude if you ask me!
son, are you paying attention in class? make sure do... In what way was I disrespectful to you to generate and deserv that kind of elitist and diminishing post from you my god sir? Sir sence you obviously are the hight of wisdom I urge you to start a school where we the less educated can take in al of your and yours only life wisdom. Best regards Dr Eriksson It's the fact your in an English lesson and not using the correct spelling etc.....o wait. And as Tony says, it is correct the whole team gets punished, like in any other tournament/league when someone cheats to gain an advantage. You're* and Toby*. Sorry but if you call him out on English...
Was about to edit tony to Toby, it also wasn't me bringing him up on his English, was just answering his question why someone told him to pay attention at school, I'm using ny phone so punctuation and grammar are never going to be correct.
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Piraten Hovnoret
No Tax Scrubs
111
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Posted - 2013.09.30 08:29:00 -
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Toby Flenderson wrote:Ascifi Ogrop wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:After reading the hole thread and al it's trolling and flaming I wonder wy CCP have not responded?
That's just plain rude if you ask me!
son, are you paying attention in class? make sure do... In what way was I disrespectful to you to generate and deserv that kind of elitist and diminishing post from you my god sir? Sir sence you obviously are the hight of wisdom I urge you to start a school where we the less educated can take in al of your and yours only life wisdom. Best regards Dr Eriksson It's the fact your in an English lesson and not using the correct spelling etc.....o wait. And as Tony says, it is correct the whole team gets punished, like in any other tournament/league when someone cheats to gain an advantage. You're* and Toby*. Sorry but if you call him out on English...
Thank you for the English lessons I stay corrected. It's only my 4th language but I am geting better at it.
My original post was in no way taking a side on the matter it self. Maybee it was my poor ( as stated ) English that did confuse some of you fine English speeking ppl.
I still think it's bad manner from CCP to not even respond.
How that can become a personal insult to some is beyond me and I respectfully apologise if that's the case that was not my intention.
Regards |
smartlayer
What The French
CRONOS.
35
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Posted - 2013.09.30 08:41:00 -
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"WTF used players who registered late and were kicked out of tourney, and apparently so did AE, why is nothing being done?"
No, we used players that were not registered at all that's why we were kicked from tournament.
On a side note i'm dissapointed that the tag WTF is only appearing on less than half the pages of this thread |
Toby Flenderson
research lab
The Superpowers
59
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Posted - 2013.09.30 08:54:00 -
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Ascifi Ogrop wrote:
Was about to edit tony to Toby, it also wasn't me bringing him up on his English, was just answering his question why someone told him to pay attention at school, I'm using ny phone so punctuation and grammar are never going to be correct.
Eh, yeah you were. He was asking why someone was attacking him personally instead of his posts. Your post just drew more attention to the attack and ignored the reason why his post was ignored except to attack his English.
I wish that it wasn't easier to attack people rather than their ideas. The forums would be much more useful it that weren't the case. |
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Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
1307
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Posted - 2013.09.30 09:07:00 -
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Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:After reading the hole thread and al it's trolling and flaming I wonder wy CCP have not responded?
That's just plain rude if you ask me!
son, are you paying attention in class? make sure do... In what way was I disrespectful to you to generate and deserv that kind of elitist and diminishing post from you my god sir? Sir sence you obviously are the hight of wisdom I urge you to start a school where we the less educated can take in al of your and yours only life wisdom. Best regards Dr Eriksson
EDIT: oh forget it, carry on... |
Ascifi Ogrop
No Free Pass
72
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Posted - 2013.09.30 09:13:00 -
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I was not attacking him, I wrote he got that response because we are in an English lesson...o wait, it was sarcasm towards the person responding to his post...apologies if you can't quite understand that. I do not care how he spells as I am terrible mumyself most the time! |
daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
242
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Posted - 2013.09.30 09:16:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:Dust University is a bunch of **** heads, got, I hate you more than anybody.
OT: 90% of the playerbase don't know anything about this topic, 9% love Ari for making King Crybaby cry and the 1% are EoN. Why thank you. I hope you have a wonderful day (or night) good sir.
Your whole corp should be banned out of the game, forever. You are worse than the church, EoN in Dust and Ethiopia together. |
Toby Flenderson
research lab
The Superpowers
63
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Posted - 2013.09.30 09:18:00 -
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DS 10 wrote:Toby Flenderson wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Seriously how many time did AE use this glitch in the tournament. Once, twice, every game? I've only seen one example of the glitch being used which is no way a reason to disqualify a whole corp simply because one person used a glitch (I HIGHLY doubt one person won the match anyways). If anything is going to happen it should be a re match without the glitcher fighting.
God this thread is filled to the brim with fail and biased arguments from both sides. This is just fking ridiculous (Especially since this tournament was the most poorly organized fail of a tournament I've ever seen)
Really I highly doubt CCP will do anything about this simply because this was technically not against the rules of the tournament. If it were to be ruled cheating to use the melee glitch then the team with the cheater should be disqualified. They knew that the person was going to use the glitch considering they have been in PC matches for a while now. They accepted it and allowed them to participate. At that point they accept responsibilities for the teammate's actions. It's that simple. The thing is the glitch was never formally named against any rules. If today CCP put out a statement that the melee glitch is in fact cheating, they still wouldn't punish AE. You know why? You can't punish som+¿one for doing an illegal thing before what they're doing becomes illegal.
So if some new glitch were to be discovered during the match and exploited it would be ok because it wasn't deemed illegeal before the match started? Or if people used the invisibility glitch it would still be ok? I see what you're staying but disagree with how black and white you're making it. People constantly look for ways to exploit mechanics of competitive games. When the community and CCP decide that this mechanic is broken and that it's being fixed the next time they update the build of the game then it should not be used. If they decide that it's considered cheating then I support that decision just like I'd support calling invisible clones cheating. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
1517
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Posted - 2013.09.30 09:22:00 -
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Nice to see this useless pudyanking thread has been carried on overnight. We did a lot of work to fill it with sh*t for your overnight enjoyment -- nice to see a return effort.
Cheers! |
daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
242
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Posted - 2013.09.30 09:27:00 -
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Why is this Toby Flenderson guy more butthurt than the actual guy, who got melee'd? |
Toby Flenderson
research lab
The Superpowers
63
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Posted - 2013.09.30 09:32:00 -
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Ascifi Ogrop wrote:I was not attacking him, I wrote he got that response because we are in an English lesson...o wait, it was sarcasm towards the person responding to his post...apologies if you can't quite understand that. I do not care how he spells as I am terrible mumyself most the time!
Ahhh then I owe you an apology. I didn't realize you were being sarcastic. Makes a lot more sense now. Good will is wished to you and all of your loved ones  |
Toby Flenderson
research lab
The Superpowers
63
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Posted - 2013.09.30 09:37:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:Why is this Toby Flenderson guy more butthurt than the actual guy, who got melee'd?
I posted my opinion and then people continued to not understand and/or put words in my mouth about it so yeah I'm a little frustrated when people don't actually read arguments and then critique them. Nice contribution to the post. I look forward to reading your future posts. |
Ascifi Ogrop
No Free Pass
72
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Posted - 2013.09.30 09:37:00 -
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Toby Flenderson wrote:Ascifi Ogrop wrote:I was not attacking him, I wrote he got that response because we are in an English lesson...o wait, it was sarcasm towards the person responding to his post...apologies if you can't quite understand that. I do not care how he spells as I am terrible mumyself most the time! Ahhh then I owe you an apology. I didn't realize you were being sarcastic. Makes a lot more sense now. Good will is wished to you and all of your loved ones
And I was going to edit your name but trying to clear my name took over, anyway on topic I agreed with your posts prior to this! |
jerrmy12 kahoalii
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
51
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Posted - 2013.09.30 09:38:00 -
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Moochie Cricket wrote:The number of VERY close matches between us and AE while ariana used this glitch is easily over 20. And each time it was used it was a game changer, with ariana topping the leaderboard in kills. Kinda hard to take a compound when someone can glitch kill an entire squad in seconds. One of the MANY reasons I am done with dust.
um run/100 dmg is nothing/shoot/move backward? |
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Piraten Hovnoret
No Tax Scrubs
112
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Posted - 2013.09.30 09:41:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:After reading the hole thread and al it's trolling and flaming I wonder wy CCP have not responded?
That's just plain rude if you ask me!
son, are you paying attention in class? make sure do... In what way was I disrespectful to you to generate and deserv that kind of elitist and diminishing post from you my god sir? Sir sence you obviously are the hight of wisdom I urge you to start a school where we the less educated can take in al of your and yours only life wisdom. Best regards Dr Eriksson EDIT: oh forget it, carry on...
It's okey my good sir.
My rather spiteful remark comes from the usage of the word "son" thats a known master suppression technique used to diminish a post and move focus from the issue it self.
One of the other five master supression techniques is to ridicule. As an perfect example is to slander a spelling like "you are" and saying its should be "you're". The 2 mean the same and don't realy change the mening of the statement it self it just moves focus from the question/statement it self.
One of the best ways to counter master techniques is to strait away admit that you did wrong moving focus back to the issue it self and being over polite doing so. That moves the question back to what it originally was about.
Again you are absolutely and utterly right in correcting my English I take that to hart sir.
Regards
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CrotchGrab 360
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
236
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Posted - 2013.09.30 10:08:00 -
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2 things.
1. Scrubs will be scrubs, if you cheat, you're a scrub.
2. 26 pages, no dev response. THEY DON'T CARE.
Stop asking if CCP care when the proof is right in front of you!
It's like talking to someone who is deaf and blind and then crying to the person next to him (who is also deaf and blind)
when you don't get a response!
Dead horses don't get up and start running when you beat them.
And blood doesn't come from a stone when you squeeze it or take a hammer and chisel/bolster to it.
Anyway the melee glitch is being fixed so now this little prick of a child won't be able to have their fun anymore.
Bottom line, CCP don't care and if you abuse a glitch instead of playing the game properly, you are a scrub.
There's good players, below them average players, below them newberries, below that complete n00bs,
below that are people who AFK, below that are people who cheat. |
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CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
2794
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Posted - 2013.09.30 10:47:00 -
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I am locking this topic as the thread has become quite toxic.
The Community Team is currently discussing how to respond to this matter and what action, if any, should be taken. Until such a time, we ask that no further threads on this issue be opened.
EVE Online/DUST 514 Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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