DUST Search - CCP allows glitchers to win tourney, video proof inside

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Chances Ghost wrote:

so if glitching in a tournament is not only not grounds for dicipliary action but also doesnt effect that teams standing in the tournament.

whats to stop me from creating a gltich corp and infesting PC with these kinds of shinanigans.

im one of the people who broke down the invisability glich and could replicate it at will, ther are NUMOROUS other glitches in the game that very few people know about but are devistating if used correctly

so whats to stop me from creating a crack team of glitch exploiters and taking over space with glitches?

the melee glitch is actually one of the tamest aggro glitches in the game right now.

so people, send me some ingame mail if you want to join this crack team of glitch testers/abusers, becuase its VERY clear there isnt any consequences for doing so.

There are rewards though, CCP has given one group stuff for finding the infinite OB glitch (I believe it was an sp related item). Just make sure to not distribute and ask nicely and follow all instructions when you submit it through the program. While the program is not fully official Dust 514 side doing more of this can officalate it.


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Chances Ghost D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 1043	Posted - 2013.09.29 03:18:00 - [1] - Quote low genius wrote: King Kobrah wrote: low genius wrote: King Kobrah wrote: grunt party wrote: umm hello they are ccp read some back ground info on them and u will se how they do things If someone used a glitch to instantly wipe out half a fleet in an EVE tournament, do you think CCP would let that fly? Yeah, no CCP allows griefing, but not game breaking glitches in official matches. is the 'glitch' available to everyone, or just the 'badguys'? if it's available to everyone, then it's on the table as an option. That's not how it works though, just because 'everyone' can do it (ariana also exploited the infinite sprint glitch, i bet you don't even know how to perform it) doesn't mean it's okay to EXPLOIT A GAME BREAKING GLITCH IN A TOURNAMENT MATCH. Yet again you try to make the same tired argument, so I'm finished replying to frivolous nonsense. I mean, i'm sorry we disagree, but the standard way to handle this is to come to the forums and make ccp state whether or not there will be repercussions for using such a tactic. normally, anything that's available within the game mechanics is allowed. even if it's frowned upon. thats the thing though, a glitch isnt a game machnic, game mechanics are intended gameplay, glitches are workarounds to intended gameplay :P mele has a cap on how fast you can do mele attacks, and anything that bypasses said cap is unintended, if it wasnt then there wouldnt be a cap in the firstplace. and so, its cheating, and its above and byond game mechanics.
Chances Ghost D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 1044	Posted - 2013.09.29 04:54:00 - [2] - Quote how CCP handles this problem will define what tournaments will end up like in the future. if CCP alows this to go on unpunished, then well its open season on glitching in tournaments. think invisable shotgunner rampage and tell me its a good idea. this tournament will define CCPs stance on using glitches to gain an advantage. it looks like open season.
Chances Ghost D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 1045	Posted - 2013.09.29 05:11:00 - [3] - Quote Dengru wrote: I don't see how CPMs can ever matter after the terrible precedent IWS has set in regards to so many issues presented to him over the months. You might as well let troll alts be CPMs. Whether or not it's ok for Proto melee modules to be as strong as they are, it's demonstrably broken when paired with that glitch. It's obviously very different from nova knives and breach shotguns. CPM is nothing more then a forum tag. it means nothing and IWS is the only one who even still plays. at this point its just a "guy with an overinflated sence of importance" tag no offence IWS... but can you get back to work at creating the system to elect CPM members so we can replace you and make the tag matter again?
Chances Ghost D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 1045	Posted - 2013.09.29 05:17:00 - [4] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: Dengru wrote: I don't see how CPMs can ever matter after the terrible precedent IWS has set in regards to so many issues presented to him over the months. You might as well let troll alts be CPMs. Whether or not it's ok for Proto melee modules to be as strong as they are, it's demonstrably broken when paired with that glitch. It's obviously very different from nova knives and breach shotguns. CPM is nothing more then a forum tag. it means nothing and IWS is the only one who even still plays. at this point its just a "guy with an overinflated sence of importance" tag no offence IWS... but can you get back to work at creating the system to elect CPM members so we can replace you and make the tag matter again? Heinrich and Kain still play... im a farily active player, a bit of a forum warrior and pretty good at the game. i couldnt tell you the names of the CPM other then IWS and novaknife... that doesnt exactly inspire confidence in their engagement with the community.
Chances Ghost D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 1047	Posted - 2013.09.29 06:05:00 - [5] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Lots of scrubs in here defending an exploit. I'm not saying you're not good players; just saying only scrubs defend the use of exploits. lol yea you never played football before...throw some dirt on it. so steroids is a completly acceptable part of football, its available to everyone, so they should just HTFU and join the club if the dont want to be stomped by the roid brigade right?
Chances Ghost D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 1047	Posted - 2013.09.29 06:12:00 - [6] - Quote Lamar Wheeler wrote: Heinrich plays, mostly at night or early morning. He cares about game and wants it to succeed. Me I care less and less every day forgive my previous comments then. its just IWS that gives the CPM a bad name
Chances Ghost D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 1047	Posted - 2013.09.29 06:23:00 - [7] - Quote First Prophet wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Lots of scrubs in here defending an exploit. I'm not saying you're not good players; just saying only scrubs defend the use of exploits. lol yea you never played football before...throw some dirt on it. so steroids is a completly acceptable part of football, its available to everyone, so they should just HTFU and join the club if the dont want to be stomped by the roid brigade They really should. Might actually watch a few games if they did. :p why stop at steroids, i vote we make genetically modified humans to play the game, without padding, and to the death. but of course thats no longer football it cheepens the game... and its only entertaining to the spectators
Chances Ghost D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 1073	Posted - 2013.09.29 18:36:00 - [8] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: So by using your logic anyone who used an LAV to run someone over was also exploiting game mechanics. Because you know ccp fixed that as well How about Flaylock spam when it was flavor of the month also using an exploit because they fixed it? What about contact nades using an exploit because once again they fixed it? seriously we have a winner for new KING QQ cobra who welches on bets! Congrats your famous now! all the things you mentioned are VERY different then the melee glitch. its more compairable to the invisability glitch. all of those things were INTENDED gameplay used in unintended ways, changed because it caused balance problems. melee glitch is UNINTENDED gameplay, wich bypasses intended gameplay (melee cap)
Chances Ghost D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 1074	Posted - 2013.09.29 20:07:00 - [9] - Quote so if glitching in a tournament is not only not grounds for dicipliary action but also doesnt effect that teams standing in the tournament. whats to stop me from creating a gltich corp and infesting PC with these kinds of shinanigans. im one of the people who broke down the invisability glich and could replicate it at will, ther are NUMOROUS other glitches in the game that very few people know about but are devistating if used correctly so whats to stop me from creating a crack team of glitch exploiters and taking over space with glitches? the melee glitch is actually one of the tamest aggro glitches in the game right now. so people, send me some ingame mail if you want to join this crack team of glitch testers/abusers, becuase its VERY clear there isnt any consequences for doing so.
Chances Ghost D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 1074	Posted - 2013.09.29 20:18:00 - [10] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: so if glitching in a tournament is not only not grounds for dicipliary action but also doesnt effect that teams standing in the tournament. whats to stop me from creating a gltich corp and infesting PC with these kinds of shinanigans. im one of the people who broke down the invisability glich and could replicate it at will, ther are NUMOROUS other glitches in the game that very few people know about but are devistating if used correctly so whats to stop me from creating a crack team of glitch exploiters and taking over space with glitches? the melee glitch is actually one of the tamest aggro glitches in the game right now. so people, send me some ingame mail if you want to join this crack team of glitch testers/abusers, becuase its VERY clear there isnt any consequences for doing so. There are rewards though, CCP has given one group stuff for finding the infinite OB glitch (I believe it was an sp related item). Just make sure to not distribute and ask nicely and follow all instructions when you submit it through the program. While the program is not fully official Dust 514 side doing more of this can officalate it. i diddnt get a reword to sending off replication specs to CCP for the invis glitch ..... :P the rewards were givin due to the newness of the game at the tiem, the damning video evidence, and the popularity of the team that published the results something tells me creating a crack team of glitchers wouldnt exactly endear me to CCP and wouldnt produce any rewards

Chances Ghost D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 1075	Posted - 2013.09.29 20:35:00 - [11] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well like I said there is a process to it and organized structure and procedure. The main point is you shouldn't be using the glitch to gain things but to prove replication steps. Sometimes there are no rewards sometimes there are but more likely if you post a video on how to redo it and give it address it directly to CCP they're not going to ban you or mutilate you in any way. Now mass exploits that are widespread such as the melee glitch here are definitely not going to net anything, but finding massive issues before they're a problem and helping CCP prevent it from becoming an epidemic would be more possible and also ask for a reward. It wouldn't hurt if your group found it first, found it in secret and nobody raises a stink anywhere about it as CCP quietly takes the poor glitch to the backyard stump. It doesnt really matter now. my point i guess is that the results of this WILL directly effect the metagame, if they rule that the current result stands then glitching in the game will be concidered fair game. if the rule against it and overturn the tournament results or at the very least post that while they arnt changing the results they dont condone the behavior then glitching wont be so widespread. personally if nothing is done or said then im starting the Glitch Ninjas, ive proven inthe past i can direct testing effectivly enough to recreate glitches and i can and will use it to prove why gliching cant be acceptable practice. i will do it, and i will do it with the objective of showing why its a bad idea :P official channels arnt really effective, after all rendering has caused many a tank death and you can EASILY abuse it to stay completly invisable while assaulting tanks :P the melee glitch, the walk through walls tricks, the rapid fire mass driver (thing 3-4 shots in the span of time that 1 shot usually takes :P) rapid fire railgun and forgegun. oh and the invisability glitch still lives on in limited cases :P these are only the start.
Chances Ghost D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 1077	Posted - 2013.09.29 21:09:00 - [12] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: King Kobrah wrote: If I had video evidence and witness testimony of someone committing a crime in court, or cheating in sports (think baseballers using steroids), that would be all the evidence needed to convict. How is there no leverage here? Clearly a large portion of the community is outraged this has been allowed to happen. Blood tests were done at a college lab instead of criminal lab. - Thrown out. Video was a home production that was cut, pasted and edited - Thrown out regardless of content. Testimonies of Witnesses where found out to bribed. - Thrown out. There was nobody at the ball game watching it either. All we have is we know that there was a rental on the stadium, for two teams and we know what every score on the board sounded like if it was a wooden or an aluminum bat. We have no idea Who is on first, what is on second and I don't know on third. except we have the perps admitting it... its like pleading guilty and being givin a verdict of innocent anyways
Chances Ghost D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 1077	Posted - 2013.09.29 21:18:00 - [13] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: King Kobrah wrote: Crash Monster wrote: I think the first dust awoxing was a bigger event than this. That thread didn't get 15 pages overnight and wasn't an issue that's been festering for a month. It's clear this is a big event to you... but that is a very localized thing. The awoxing brought about a lot of discussion about corporations, changes and controls needed, and changes to the game. Clearly a more significant event. This issue is about the matter of the outcome of a tournament. Insignificant to anybody that didn't play it and clearly not a big deal to the game itself. Again, swim towards shore... you have gone way into the deep end here. its VERY significant to those who diddnt participate in the tourny. its very significant to me, if no punishment is delt people like me will assume that glitching is free game, and it will be GLITCH514 the outcome of thise determines CCPs stance on gliches as a whole. the Glitch Ninjas are about to become more then just a codename for a group of glitch testers... they are about to hit PC and every pubmatch they can get into. and the glitches will be spread far and wide and you wont be able to ender a game without glitches being rampant. this sint about the tournament anymore, this is about weather or not gliching is alowed.
Chances Ghost D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 1078	Posted - 2013.09.29 21:20:00 - [14] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: King Kobrah wrote: dust played almost no role in the caldari titan. this is an event that lasted three months, that lasted one day. i just said it doesn't compare to eve because they're two different games. this is a strawman argument anyways and has nothing to do with the matter at hand, the size and scope of the event dosen't matter, the rules being broken does. Yet the planet is no longer caldari controlled on the map. So here is the real question. Why threadnaught now instead of 3 months ago? The melee 'exploit' existed before the tournament started if I remember right. we couldnt pick a side... the outcome may as well been determined by RNG...
Chances Ghost D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 1078	Posted - 2013.09.29 21:37:00 - [15] - Quote DEAR IWS your support of the glitching in the tournament is direct support to the glitch ninjas future exploits, we will analyze and use glitches in order to cause overwhelming support AGAINST glitches. becuase after the glitch ninjas are done you wont be able to enter a game that isnt overrun with glitch users. i strongly suggest you flip to the other side of this argument and attempt to set the presedent that glitching ISNT ok. :P from the guy who brought to you the Inf4m0us invisable shotgunners :P
Chances Ghost D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 1083	Posted - 2013.09.29 22:16:00 - [16] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1347104#post1347104 the Glitch Ninjas will rise if CCP remains silent.
Chances Ghost D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 1088	Posted - 2013.09.29 22:28:00 - [17] - Quote Current Glitches that are either fully replicatable or are undergoing further investigation for repeatability walking through walls. floating in certain areas visual limited invisability the old invisability still exsists in a limited form rapid fire mass driver 4x rate of fire glitch rapid fire forge gun railgun overhead bypass large turret ROF glitch melee glitch mobile personal drop uplink (alows an active drop uplink to be stuck to infantry alowing any infantry to act as a spawn point. experaments pending on other equipment (think rep hive.... try killing a guy with a rep hive stuck to his face...) by supporting the melee glitch int he tournament you officially support people using all of these against you at any one time... becuase well we all have the ability to use them right?