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Arirana wrote:

Master Jaraiya wrote:

Arirana wrote:

Let me tell you something, being honorable is a choice, and there are alot of different types of honor. Honor on a broken video game is non-existent, let me tell you that right now. However, there is honor here in the forums. Barely, but it is there. Like I said, how is something unhonorable "wrong"? This game isn't feudal europe it's a f*cking broken video game. What are the consequences of glitching in a video game? QQ and unfairness. And LOL at the idea that glitching in a video game makes me a dangerous sociopath IRL. Get real.

So, the fact there are no consequences to something justifies doing it even if it is wrong?

So all the warlords in Africa are justified murdering their own people, because, well, there are no consequences. Roll

According to your own statements, the only thing preventing you from acting out your sociopathy in real life, is the fact that your actions would have consequences, which you aren't willing to face.

So now you are a sociopath and a coward.

Where is you brain? Did you ever have one?

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So, the fact there are no consequences to something justifies doing it even if it is wrong?

The direct result of the action in question is also considered a consequence. Warlords murdering their own people is a negative consequence. What I mean was, there are no severe/real consequences that I can be accountable for that make me possibly a sociopath. Only an ******* on the internet. Ohh I was an ******* on the internet. Sure it was wrong. But its such a small, insignificant wrong that you're blowing it out of proportion. So because a kid fries some ants with a magnifying glass he should get help?


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Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 971	Posted - 2013.09.29 20:52:00 - [1] - Quote Wow man, It really speaks volumes about this community, that you people would go to such lengths to defend such a blatant and obvious exploit. Not surprising really. The bottom line: Those who exploit any unintended game mechanic are cheaters, they know it, the community knows it. They should feel bad, but sadly because of the state of their generation, probably do not. There is no such thing as honor or integrity amongst these types. There is no sense of belonging or responsibility to the DUST community in them. No, instead, it is all about them, what ever they can do to boost their in game stats. It really is pitiful, because, essentially, this is all their life will ever amount to. These are their greatest accomplishments, therefore they feel the need to defend such selfish and inexcusable behavior with the fervor of a man clinging to the edge of a cliff. You see, if they admit they are wrong in their actions, they, then they admit they have accomplished absolutely nothing with their lives except cheating on a video game.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 972	Posted - 2013.09.29 21:05:00 - [2] - Quote Arirana wrote: Please link me to where in the rules it says that if I glitched multiple rounds before receiving a warning I get banned. I'd like to read it. Infact, quote it here. And I'm sorry but unlike you I don't feel like waiting around for a dev post that will never come. -Ari out You didn't need to read the rules or receive a warning from anybody to know that you were cheating. You knew, plain and simple. Would you go into a bank, point a gun at a teller, and demand money simply because there was not a rule posted on the door of the bank and nobody advised you that it was against the rules? No, because you already know it's wrong! People like you are the reason governments find an excuse to pry into everyone's private lives, to make sure nobody has their rights violated. Get a sense of responsibility for yourself, and your fellow man, for pete's sake!
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 972	Posted - 2013.09.29 21:28:00 - [3] - Quote Arirana wrote: What makes it wrong? Arirana wrote: I know glitching isn't fun for the other side or is it in anyway honorable. You answered this question for yourself. Like I said, you knew it was wrong, you knew it was cheating, but you did it anyway. This is called antisocial behavior, for those who are not aware. The fact that you have absolutely no remorse for doing something you knew was wrong tells me that you may be a sociopath. Maybe you should go seek some help, before you hurt someone, or yourself. As far as not comparing a game to real life, your morals are your morals, whether practiced in reality, or virtual reality. Your outlook on life directly effects everything you do in life, whether you want to admit that or not is immaterial.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 978	Posted - 2013.09.29 21:39:00 - [4] - Quote DootDoot wrote: That is kinda how the world works.... I know all our parent's shelter us at a young age.... But the World isn't all rainbow's and sunshine.... The law's and rules are about the only thing you can punish someone for.... And if you can skirt them.... then all the power to you... That is how almost everything on this planet operates.... Ignorance of a law is not a defense in any justice system anywhere in the world. Nobody said the world is all rainbows and sunshine, quite the opposite. It is full of sociopaths who do things with no remorse, which they know society in general do not morally accept, because they were not raised to know the difference between right and wrong.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 978	Posted - 2013.09.29 21:45:00 - [5] - Quote Arirana wrote: Let me tell you something, being honorable is a choice, and there are alot of different types of honor. Honor on a broken video game is non-existent, let me tell you that right now. However, there is honor here in the forums. Barely, but it is there. Like I said, how is something unhonorable "wrong"? This game isn't feudal europe it's a fcking broken video game*. What are the consequences of glitching in a video game? QQ and unfairness. And LOL at the idea that glitching in a video game makes me a dangerous sociopath IRL. Get real. So, the fact there are no consequences to something justifies doing it even if it is wrong? So all the warlords in Africa are justified murdering their own people, because, well, there are no consequences. According to your own statements, the only thing preventing you from acting out your sociopathy in real life, is the fact that your actions would have consequences, which you aren't willing to face. So now you are a sociopath and a coward.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 978	Posted - 2013.09.29 21:48:00 - [6] - Quote DootDoot wrote: Again prove your absolute ignorance in every post you make. How so? Did I not say: One does not need to be told when something is wrong, in order to know that the thing is wrong. Unless the person in question is a true sociopath with no concept of right or wrong. Your argument is moot.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 983	Posted - 2013.09.29 22:01:00 - [7] - Quote Arirana wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Arirana wrote: Let me tell you something, being honorable is a choice, and there are alot of different types of honor. Honor on a broken video game is non-existent, let me tell you that right now. However, there is honor here in the forums. Barely, but it is there. Like I said, how is something unhonorable "wrong"? This game isn't feudal europe it's a fcking broken video game. What are the consequences of glitching in a video game? QQ and unfairness. And LOL at the idea that glitching in a video game makes me a dangerous sociopath IRL. Get real. So, the fact there are no consequences to something justifies doing it even if it is wrong? So all the warlords in Africa are justified murdering their own people, because, well, there are no consequences. According to your own statements, the only thing preventing you from acting out your sociopathy in real life, is the fact that your actions would have consequences, which you aren't willing to face. So now you are a sociopath and a coward. Where is you brain? Did you ever have one? Quote:* So, the fact there are no consequences to something justifies doing it even if it is wrong? The direct result of the action in question is also considered a consequence. Warlords murdering their own people is a negative consequence. What I mean was, there are no severe/real consequences that I can be accountable for that make me possibly a sociopath. Only an ***** on the internet. Ohh I was an ***** on the internet. Sure it was wrong. But its such a small, insignificant wrong that you're blowing it out of proportion. So because a kid fries some ants with a magnifying glass he should get help? Do you have a brain? How is any action a consequence of itself? What is the direct consequence of a warlord murdering his own people? Is there anyone who will hold him accountable for his actions? Will any justice ever be had in this scenario? No. Other than another warlord murdering the first, no, there is no consequence. Is this a consequence, yes, is it justice, no. What are the consequences of you exploiting a glitch in the game? None, as of yet. One could then argue, "well he could have melee glitched me back", however, there is no justice in this. Instead of one wronged party, there would be two.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 983	Posted - 2013.09.29 22:05:00 - [8] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: One does not need to be told when something is wrong, in order to know that the thing is wrong. Unless the person in question is a true sociopath with no concept of right or wrong. On a quiet road I've brought my vehicle to an incomplete stop before... oh my god, I know it was wrong, but now my character has been besmirched. What a pile of crap you guys are trying to put forth. There is no such thing as a victimless crime under common law. If there is no injured party, there is no crime, and no besmirching of character. Had you t-boned a family of four in their Prias, then, you would be in the wrong. Is this to say that is is not a good idea to stop regardless if there is traffic or not, not at all.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 983	Posted - 2013.09.29 22:08:00 - [9] - Quote DootDoot wrote: It wasn't a glitch then... how could he be exploiting it? CCP gave him module's and the ability to do it since closed beta? and for your logic... Camping on roof's is wrong.... and all you guys should feel very bad!!!! very bad!!! This is New Eden.... And the fact that you know so little about how this galaxy works... Is mind boggling... Specially when you pretend so much to know what you are talking about. I love how you keep going back to the roof camping FG argument. Quote me where I stated it was morally wrong. I did say it was cowardly, and broke the balance of the game, therefore should be mitigated, but never said it had any moral implications whatsoever.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 983	Posted - 2013.09.29 22:12:00 - [10] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: There is no such thing as a victimless crime under common law. If there is no injured party, there is no crime, and no besmirching of character. Had you t-boned a family of four in their Prias, then, you would be in the wrong. Is this to say that is is not a good idea to stop regardless if there is traffic or not, not at all. Oh, so in some cases I can use my own judgment and decide that a rule is not really something that I'll have to follow... well, imagine that. Thanks for that! No, what I am saying is The reason some rules exist in the first place, is because some jack ass didn't have the moral fortitude to conduct himself in an acceptable manner, causing injury to another. Then, a government had to step in and treat that person like a small child who doesn't know the difference between right and wrong, saying, Mr. John Doe, you cannot do this thing, it is morally wrong, if you do this thing again, we will have to punish you in such and such a manner, because you failed to act in a morally responsible manner.

Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 983	Posted - 2013.09.29 22:21:00 - [11] - Quote DootDoot wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: DootDoot wrote: It wasn't a glitch then... how could he be exploiting it? CCP gave him module's and the ability to do it since closed beta? and for your logic... Camping on roof's is wrong.... and all you guys should feel very bad!!!! very bad!!! This is New Eden.... And the fact that you know so little about how this galaxy works... Is mind boggling... Specially when you pretend so much to know what you are talking about. I love how you keep going back to the roof camping FG argument. Quote me where I stated it was morally wrong. I did say it was cowardly, and broke the balance of the game, therefore should be mitigated, but never said it had any moral implications whatsoever. Master Jaraiya wrote: As a Heavy who stays on the ground, I cannot condone tower camping with a FG. It is cowardly and it throws off the balance of the game. Probably 30 post's similar about tower forge gunning. from you. Sooooo...are you going to quote me where I said I it is morally reprehensible? What about where I said it was cheating? Will you please quote me on those? No?
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 983	Posted - 2013.09.29 22:36:00 - [12] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: No, what I am saying is The reason some rules exist in the first place, is because some jack ass didn't have the moral fortitude to conduct himself in an acceptable manner, causing injury to another. Then, a government had to step in and treat that person like a small child who doesn't know the difference between right and wrong, saying, Mr. John Doe, you cannot do this thing, it is morally wrong, if you do this thing again, we will have to punish you in such and such a manner, because you failed to act in a morally responsible manner. Yes, you said some crimes are victimless... and hence aren't crimes. Thus, if I see a crime as victimless I'm free to ignore it even though I might be held responsible if I'm caught -- even though no damage is done. For example, I might get a ticket. In game land, you know Dust is a game right, people are pretty much able to decide which rules they care about and which consequences they care about. Short of bullying someone online just about everything in the game is victimless because nothing that happens IN A GAME is generally considered to be of consequence to normal people. No that is not what I said at all. There is a difference between a crime, and a rule violation. Some rules are in place because they are designed to prevent possible injury to a party. Violation of the rule doesn't necessarily constitute the commission of a crime. Case in point: reckless Driving This rule is put in place to prevent the occurrence of crimes such a vehicular manslaughter. Breaking the rule of reckless Driving, doesn't constitute the commission of vehicular manslaughter. The rule is there, because someone, at some point in history, was driving recklessly, and caused personal injury or death to another. Because the driver didn't have the moral fortitude to think of the damage he might cause, he drove recklessly. The authorities then stepped in, seeing people could not govern themselves and stated that we may not drive recklessly. Now, because the rule is in place, there must be enforcement of the rule. All because some ass hole couldn't conduct himself with some responsibility. The rule had to be spelled out plainly for those who do not have the proper decency to conduct themselves with any concern for their fellow man.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 984	Posted - 2013.09.29 22:52:00 - [13] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Some rules are in place because they are designed to prevent possible injury to a party. Violation of the rule doesn't necessarily constitute the commission of a crime. Case in point: reckless Driving This rule is put in place to prevent the occurrence of crimes such a vehicular manslaughter. Breaking the rule of reckless Driving, doesn't constitute the commission of vehicular manslaughter. The rule is there, because someone, at some point in history, was driving recklessly, and caused personal injury or death to another. Because the driver didn't have the moral fortitude to think of the damage he might cause, he drove recklessly. The authorities then stepped in, seeing people could not govern themselves and stated that we may not drive recklessly. Now, because the rule is in place, there must be enforcement of the rule. All because some ass hole couldn't conduct himself with some responsibility. The rule had to be spelled out plainly for those who do not have the proper decency to conduct themselves with any concern for their fellow man. I think you should learn a little bit more about legal matters before you go spouting off about this nonsense. Many rules are enforceable whether or not a crime is committed by breaking the rule itself or whether or not there may be any number of related crimes that might occur if the rule is broken. Did i ever say the rules weren't enforceable? No! Why do you keep putting words in my mouth? I know plenty about legal matters. The rules are there to protect society from those without the common decency to do, or not to do the act in question. Of course they are enforceable. That is the point. If the act had never been committed, the rule wouldn't exist. For instance, the tags on many electronics which state to keep the device away from sources of water. This seems like common sense to most people, correct? Do you know that these tags are there because some idiot thought it was a bright idea to use the curling iron while taking a shower! Then, because there was no warning on the device, the customer sued the manufacturer after getting electrocuted, and won! So, to protect themselves, the companies making the devices had to put a written rule on their device stating not to use the device near a source of water.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 984	Posted - 2013.09.29 22:58:00 - [14] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Mattress Warning Label : Do Not Inhale Small Town in California : It is illegal to detonate a nuclear device in city limits: Fee of 500$ Will be imposed. Do you have a point here, or is this just more trolling?
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 988	Posted - 2013.09.29 23:55:00 - [15] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: DootDoot wrote: SyNergy just Cries all day about the way life is... Grow up ,move out of your parent's house, and learn the world... then come back to a video game and treat it as your LIFE AND DEATH.... Synergy = QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ aaaw another alt talking **** on the forums...wish i can say you're the first IKR! It's one thing to support cheating. It's a whole other can of worms when you hide behind an alt because you don't want people to know you support cheating. Talk about needing to grow up! Alts like DootDoot don't know what being an adult and being responsible is about!