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Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.09.29 20:48:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Long Evity wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote: How are you going to prove to CCP that Team Players didn't use the exploit as well?
... Really? lol TP has to prove they didn't use it? How about all corps prove they didn't use it then. Everyone cheated. :) There's no evidence to say any corp except AE used a glitch openly in tournament. Not that the tournament matters to me - or anyone. I just thought you asking this as a CPM was lol worthy. Well its a broken imperfect statement. I cannot prove nor disprove nor likely could anyone else for that manner. How many people you known have been banned in Dust so far for cheating? I am not trying to make a statement of supporting cheating I am more inference to CCP GM team's ability to deal with game bugs used to gainful advantages is too limited and hard to prove. There is really no battle recording in eve, no event logs and no way to reconstruct fights yet in Dust 514.
Not gonna get into this waste of time argument, but if you had pay attention to the forums, you would have seen a number of AE players admitting that what's his name used the exploit. What makes you think he didn't use it in the tourney? Nobody has reason to lie about it do they?
I didn't play in the tourney game, but for my whole team to come back and say they were being killed via melee? lol... yea no proof needed. He's a known exploiter of the mechanic, but hey, we need video proof! lol
CCP is a joke, and they won't ban anyone. They can't afford to... literally. They make a broken game, and they can't punish people for exploiting it. Simple as that.
And with this 1 comment on the matter, I'm out. AE is known for condoning this tactic, so it's all cool. |
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Posted - 2013.09.29 21:04:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:
Not gonna get into this waste of time argument, but if you had pay attention to the forums, you would have seen a number of AE players admitting that what's his name used the exploit. What makes you think he didn't use it in the tourney? Nobody has reason to lie about it do they?
I didn't play in the tourney game, but for my whole team to come back and say they were being killed via melee? lol... yea no proof needed. He's a known exploiter of the mechanic, but hey, we need video proof! lol
CCP is a joke, and they won't ban anyone. They can't afford to... literally. They make a broken game, and they can't punish people for exploiting it. Simple as that.
And with this 1 comment on the matter, I'm out. AE is known for condoning this tactic, so it's all cool.
This is a dangerous precedent though. Forums admissions cannot be reliable evidence worthy of ban. Think ultimate troll cept your target is a company and the trap is set with lawyers. While I am not accusing AE of doing this it's generally not a smart plan to punish people over things not in forum posts based on forum posts. You can punish all you want as long as its in the forums on the forums though such as bad remarks and the sorts but a guy admitting he curses a lot on voice comms? You see the issue with that now.
I'm pretty sure CCP monitors servers to see how people die / by what / by who. You telling me they can't see this for themselves? lol... good one
Sorry, but these guys got away with murder. They did it, they bragged about it, and nothing was done about it. Well done by CCP to show the community there's no consequences to cheating and exploiting in DUST.
I hope more broken mechanics pop up, and people exploit them even more, knowing fully well, nothing will be done to them.
And hey, why fix it right away right? Naaaaaaaaah, let's leave it in the game for a few months.
Edit: On a personal note, it's kinda sad you're defending the outcome of this. Asking for proof of what? That it was used? lol... nothing will be done about it. You know it, I know it. Just a simple nod of understanding of what went down would have sufficed. Don't stand there and be defensive asking for proof and go on about setting a precedent.
Just be honest. Just tell us CCP won't do anything about it, regardless of what was presented. I would +1 and move on knowing you were at least honest with people. |
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Posted - 2013.09.29 21:12:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Arirana wrote: Please link me to where in the rules it says that if I glitched multiple rounds before receiving a warning I get banned. I'd like to read it. Infact, quote it here. And I'm sorry but unlike you I don't feel like waiting around for a dev post that will never come. -Ari out
You didn't need to read the rules or receive a warning from anybody to know that you were cheating. You knew, plain and simple. Would you go into a bank, point a gun at a teller, and demand money simply because there was not a rule posted on the door of the bank and nobody advised you that it was against the rules? No, because you already know it's wrong! People like you are the reason governments find an excuse to pry into everyone's private lives, to make sure nobody has their rights violated. Get a sense of responsibility for yourself, and your fellow man, for pete's sake!
Kinda like:
"Your honor, I know what I did was wrong, but I didn't know there was a law against it! So by that logic, i'm not guilty!"
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Posted - 2013.09.29 21:20:00 -
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Arirana wrote: What do you want me to do say sorry? I'm not sorry for using the glitch. Its not my fault it wasn't against the event rules or that I never received a warning. What makes it wrong? With the the numerous broken mechanics, unbalanced weapon system, the game itself is wrong. Stop comparing a broken video game to real life. I know glitching isn't fun for the other side or is it in anyway honorable. I never said I didn't use the exploit, and will never say sorry. HTFU QQ moar
I'll just quote myself to reply to this...
"Your honor, I know what I did was wrong, but I didn't know there was a law against it! So by that logic, i'm not guilty!" |
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Posted - 2013.09.29 21:22:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Kinda like: "Your honor, I know what I did was wrong, but I didn't know there was a law against it! So by that logic, i'm not guilty!" Yes, precisely, that's why I play games. I want them to be as much like the criminal justice system as possible... or I'll have no fun whatsoever. Everyone understands the moral implications of using a glitch just like everyone understands the moral implications of awoxing -- and I'm not saying they are the same either. What is making this thread go a bazillion pages is the amount of popcorn worthy ridiculous rageQQing that is going on. For everyone not in the tournament it's a free show.
Just pointing out how it is... you know, using a metaphor and not literally comparing it. But I guess you can take it literally and compare a video game to loljustice system around the world if you want... up to you. |
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Posted - 2013.09.29 21:24:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Arirana wrote: What do you want me to do say sorry? I'm not sorry for using the glitch. Its not my fault it wasn't against the event rules or that I never received a warning. What makes it wrong? With the the numerous broken mechanics, unbalanced weapon system, the game itself is wrong. Stop comparing a broken video game to real life. I know glitching isn't fun for the other side or is it in anyway honorable. I never said I didn't use the exploit, and will never say sorry. HTFU QQ moar
I'll just quote myself to reply to this... "Your honor, I know what I did was wrong, but I didn't know there was a law against it! So by that logic, i'm not guilty!" "200 years in the future it would be illegal for you to own a car. They are going to fine your ancestors for your act of owning a car before the law went into effect." Would be more accurate statement.
Not the same.
If i knowingly kill someone, and knew it was wrong, but claim "I didn't know it was against the law"... ignorance will not save you from what should be "justice". |
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Posted - 2013.09.29 21:29:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:The Lion ElJonson wrote:Don't CCP monitor there own tournament? They barely monitor the development of the game itself.
made me lol IRL |
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Posted - 2013.09.29 21:33:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:When most other games have point blank killers such as CoD's knifing, its not that bad of an exploit, I mean, you're an idiot to let the guy/gal get that close. Its not much different than a breach shotgun or a nova knifing in hands of a player that can get in that range. Melee aim assist is pretty broken (as in not working) and this exploit comes at the cost of almost all the user's stamina making them vulnerable to getting shot after the first victim.
Overall since CCP can't hotfix, prove, nor enforce it that easily without so much as a master cluster @#% of a mess I opt the do nothing approach until its fixed with a patch.
However I am just a CPM, I cannot decide for CCP, I have express my concerns about the exploit's use in the tournament having negative community impact to CCP, and honestly if you really felt it was game breaking you should have taken it to urgent fury as they're more capable of disqualifications and for matters like that Kane Spearow is your CPM man in trying to talk that mess out.
As a final word I doubt the individual using the exploit single handedly won the entire match and the individuals named so far I know would have torn your posterior a new one without the exploit at all with similar or just as bad weapons at their disposal.
You want a real exploit talk to me when people start flying around without jetpacks and infinite ammo exploits or guns firing railgun shots.
And Yes I know this is bait to make me, the CPM, or CCP bad but err on the side of caution there is your response basically telling you that you are just about too late, after the fact, and not enough stink was raised when you could have. If you want to deal with it, your fight just got that much harder, good luck but I got bigger fish to fry and I am glad for one that train wreck of a tournament is over. I know its sad that other more serious complaints about the game drowned out the initial petition off the forums but that only tells me the guys effected by it were not interested enough to keep attention to the issue. Threadnaughts are your friends when used right and your worst enemy when used wrong. I would say this is where you lost all credibility as a rep for the community but lets be honest that happened long ago If you cant see how letting this slide is massively toxic for the games health maybe you should just go crawl under a rock and not say anything for the rest of your term Inb4 idle veiled threats about you withholding information from CCP to us and blocking feedback from us to CCP
Daaaayuuum... IWS... you got served! *puts on some music and gets ready for a dance off* |
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Posted - 2013.09.29 21:44:00 -
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Arirana wrote: Let me tell you something, being honorable is a choice, and there are alot of different types of honor. Honor on a broken video game is non-existent, let me tell you that right now. However, there is honor here in the forums. Barely, but it is there. Like I said, how is something unhonorable "wrong"? This game isn't feudal europe it's a f*cking broken video game. What are the consequences of glitching in a video game? QQ and unfairness. And LOL at the idea that glitching in a video game makes me a dangerous sociopath IRL. Get real.
"I would prefer even to fail with honor than win by cheating." -- Sophocles (496-406 bc)
Just my personal opinion too. At least this way I don't have to cheat to win
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Posted - 2013.09.29 21:48:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Arirana wrote: Let me tell you something, being honorable is a choice, and there are alot of different types of honor. Honor on a broken video game is non-existent, let me tell you that right now. However, there is honor here in the forums. Barely, but it is there. Like I said, how is something unhonorable "wrong"? This game isn't feudal europe it's a f*cking broken video game. What are the consequences of glitching in a video game? QQ and unfairness. And LOL at the idea that glitching in a video game makes me a dangerous sociopath IRL. Get real.
So, the fact there are no consequences to something justifies doing it even if it is wrong?
That's the point he's making, and tbh, after him saying that there's no need to continue arguing with him. That logic should tell you all you need to know about the individual you're engaged with in this discussion.
Anywho, I said I wasn't going to stay long in here, but IWS got me all moist
I'll take my leave now until he surfaces again. |
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Posted - 2013.09.29 22:31:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Your all ignorant fools ccp allow me to mod this game and it will be totally fair okay? I was able to do it therefore its intended Aye lets remember the modded AR controllers, how many bans went out for that one?
Let's be real for a minute. There's no way you can prove someone uses a modded controller.
But let's be realer (hehe), CCP won't ban people even if somehow a person found a way to exploit Orbitals to kill everyone on the map. They'll take 2-3 months to fix it, and in the mean time stay quiet on the matter hoping it blows off.
That's their way of dealing with things. Broken mechanic, obviously against rules to exploit, say nothing about it only "a fix is coming", then send the usual yes men, aka lap dogs, aka fanboys, aka EVE hardons, aka DUST WILL NEVER DIE players, in to defend them on the forums.
CCP only bans people on the forums that express an honest truth about what's going on. But hey, why ban exploiters right?
Seems fair enough in New Eden. Can't take the truth on forums, but we should HTFU in game when people exploit. GG
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Posted - 2013.09.29 22:43:00 -
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miahus wrote:just to recap
1. A team used a glitcher in the tournament. with proof and a confession by the glitcher.
2. Other teams complained about it in the forums, and got in touch with CCP and UF, with proof.
3. No response whatsoever from CCP nor UF, leaving kids speculate about the outcome, philosophizing on cars banned in the future.
4. Glitcher team wins the tournament, some think it is not fair and demand an official word from CCP to end this issue once and for all.
( did I miss something ?)
What surprised me even more than CCP and UF total disregard to a legitimate concern, how the CPM has been interacting with -borderline trolling- the players in this thread. A CPM should be impartial to all players.
"the CPM will be a vital conduit for the players voiceGÇÖs in the development of DUST 514 and the future of the New Eden Universe." CCP
I hope you would be a conduit for the all the players voices, and not your own opinions on the matter.
This will get out of hand unless CCP give a firm and clear response. IWS as our representative, will you convey the situation to CCP properly, with the arguments of both sides to help get us a resolution please.
Not borderline trolling, he's trolling. He's been trolling in his CPM position since forever. There's times to troll and then there's moments where growing a pair and being honest will be appreciated.
I guess growing a pair has left the discussion table, so it's back to trolling and talking about cars 200 years from now
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Posted - 2013.09.29 22:47:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
BTW oldschool, nobody clicks to exploit rapid fire on a game that allows high end modern mouses these days. That was so 20 years ago.
If you knew the weapon of choice for the TAR exploit you would then realize how easily the rapid melee glitch can also be done in a very similar manner.
Games with semi auto guns these days are usually balanced so that there's no abuse of modded controllers... I guess CCP didn't get the memo.
The difference between the 2 exploits is that the gun is a balance issue, not a mechanical issue. I press R1 fast to simulate a modded controller.
The melee exploit is a mechanical issue where I press L3 + R3 in an alternating fashion to sprint + melee because the sprint "cancels" the melee animation allowing me to do multiple melee's in a row.
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Posted - 2013.09.29 22:52:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Not borderline trolling, he's trolling. He's been trolling in his CPM position since forever. There's times to troll and then there's moments where growing a pair and being honest will be appreciated. For those that can read he's said plenty. However, the real point for my post, I'd hate to be a CPM because mixing it up in the forums is a hell of a lot of fun.
From what I see a CPM's job on the forums is to troll a thread till it gets locked or someone gets banned. I've seen nothing from him but him being a yes man for CCP, and him trolling people with his answers.
I don't mind trolling, but as I said above, there's a time and a place for that. Can't blame him though. DUST is a joke, so he treats the community as such...hell even CCP treats it as a joke. They won't even address the issue lol.
Naaaaaah no big deal someone is cheating in a tournament! HTFU GUYS!!! Just don't come on the forum and tell the honest truth...cuz you gonna get banned for that! |
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Posted - 2013.09.29 22:58:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Mod TAR vs Melee glitch. I would expect the Modded Controller to be fair, if only it doesn't change what possible RoF the gun is said to have in game. Melee glitch is obviously something that does something much faster intentionally - and should be unacceptable in that case.
And this is just for the tournament. Not the entire game - banning every1 in game would be a logistic nightmare. But the tournament should just be a quick peek and clip.
SoTa the TAC issue was a gun balance issue. IWS trying to compare apples and grapes.
Mechanical Exploit vs Gun Balance Failure |
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:11:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Naaaaaah no big deal someone is cheating in a tournament! HTFU GUYS!!! Just don't come on the forum and tell the honest truth...cuz you gonna get banned for that! You won't get banned for telling the truth. One might get banned for appearing to be attempting to blackmail CCP though I don't know if they'd worry about that type of thing or not. One might get banned for personal attacks against those that don't really have much to do with the issue. One might have a thread tossed away for ranting or otherwise conducting themselves in a **** poor way. On a more serious note while this is a game this is not something that is taken as seriously as say the Olympics. It's a shooter. Most people aren't going to take things here very seriously. There may be a few folks around here that need to get out of the basement, see if the sun is still circling the earth, and stop drinking so much caffeine.
I'm sure if I come here everyday and post the facts about this game declining in player base and operating on a loss, and state for a fact that CCP is clueless about making a FPS, and clueless in how to balance anything that isn't a point and click PC game, I'll get banned.
Who's talking about Olympics? Simply wanting a fair a game is "too serious"??? Wanting to not play against people that cheat in a supposed tournament is wanting too much?
I guess so right, because you say so.
My bad then. I guess all my years as an athlete has conditioned me to believe that competing should be fair.
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:32:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:I'm sure if I come here everyday and post the facts about this game declining in player base and operating on a loss, and state for a fact that CCP is clueless about making a FPS, and clueless in how to balance anything that isn't a point and click PC game, I'll get banned. If you want to be a big *sswad on a corporate site and get banned that is your decision. I certainly wouldn't see it as anything to get upset about. If you wanted to discuss those issues and not be a douche in the process you could certainly choose to. In that case you probably would not get banned. The choice is yours. Quote:Who's talking about Olympics? Simply wanting a fair a game is "too serious"??? Wanting to not play against people that cheat in a supposed tournament is wanting too much? Perhaps the biggest group of cheaters around is the vets. The ones who happen to be able to emulate a modded controller with their spankatronic fast acting hands. What I'm going on about is the fact that the people trying to cry for ethics are themselves morally challenged. Quote:My bad then. I guess all my years as an athlete has conditioned me to believe that competing should be fair. Yeah, and Dust is an athletic endeavor. That's right!
*asswad to who? CCP? If I'm stating facts and numbers, I don't see how that's considered being one.
Cheaters and vets aren't one and the same. You don't have to be playing this game long to exploit something...lol...what fail logic.
I used my athletic "ethics" to show how I go about competition in general...not compare the 2 like they're the same thing
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:45:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:*asswad to who? CCP? If I'm stating facts and numbers, I don't see how that's considered being one. If you go around insulting CCP, or CCP representatives, on their own forum then yeah. They certainly don't have to sit back and let that happen. However, as this is CCP, I don't know if they pay attention to your antics. Quote:Cheaters and vets aren't one and the same. You don't have to be playing this game long to exploit something...lol...what fail logic. I never suggested they were one and the same -- speaking of fail logic. However, most newer players have not been around enough to figure out exploits, buy modded controllers, or spin up the FOTM fit either. People who aren't vets often don't have the same "I made this game what it is" ridiculous mindset either.
Oh? Telling someone the honest truth is "insulting" them? damn... what world is this you live in? I guess one where fairytales comes true.
Basically saying "the biggest group of cheaters are vets" means vets and cheaters are the same.
This one cracks me the **** up though... new players don't have modded controllers? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
New players are more likely to go FoTM because they have no idea what's good and what works for them. Guess what they'll do after being stomped by the same thing over and over?
I don't think a single vet would say "I made this game what is"... that's just insulting themselves. |
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:47:00 -
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DootDoot wrote:
SyNergy just Cries all day about the way life is... Grow up ,move out of your parent's house, and learn the world... then come back to a video game and treat it as your LIFE AND DEATH....
Synergy = QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ
aaaw another alt talking **** on the forums...wish i can say you're the first |
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Posted - 2013.09.30 00:00:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:DootDoot wrote:
SyNergy just Cries all day about the way life is... Grow up ,move out of your parent's house, and learn the world... then come back to a video game and treat it as your LIFE AND DEATH....
Synergy = QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ
aaaw another alt talking **** on the forums...wish i can say you're the first IKR! It's one thing to support cheating. It's a whole other can of worms when you hide behind an alt because you don't want people to know you support cheating. Talk about needing to grow up! Alts like DootDoot don't know what being an adult and being responsible is about!
Don't take alts the slightest bit serious. i guess he expected me to blow up and go on a chest thumping rant or something... I don't know...
I just laugh when I see one talking **** |
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Posted - 2013.09.30 01:00:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Oh? Telling someone the honest truth is "insulting" them? damn... what world is this you live in? I guess one where fairytales comes true. If you want to make things up to argue against it go ahead... but don't pretend I'm actually saying the strawman statements you are ascribing to me. Quote:Basically saying "the biggest group of cheaters are vets" means vets and cheaters are the same.
This one cracks me the **** up though... new players don't have modded controllers? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Stupid arguments again on both counts. How stupid do you have to be to think that the two statements are the same. Apparently as stupid as you. And yes, that is an insult, not "honest truth" as you might like to characterize it. Quote:New players are more likely to go FoTM because they have no idea what's good and what works for them. Guess what they'll do after being stomped by the same thing over and over? New players don't even know what FOTM means... unless you are referring to alts or something ridiculous like that. Quote:I don't think a single vet would say "I made this game what is"... that's just insulting themselves. You can feel that oozing off some of the posts. In particular, the disdain expressed towards everyone not a vet speaks volumes at times.
Calling me stupid... u mad bro? You're the idiot that said new players don't have modded controllers. If I go CoD right now, and pull out my modded controller... am I not new to the game? lol...
New players don't have to know what FoTM means....LOL! They just use what's being used against them...derp.
I don't sense the vets > none vets thing you're trying to make in regards to "making this game what it is". Again, not a single vet would be proud to say that.
Lemme see your next wall of multi quotes to reply |
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