Blackmail... brought to you buy the Dust morals and ethics committee.

So either CCP saw glitching and did nothing, or they didn't monitor their own tournament. Pick your poison.

Aye lets remember the modded AR controllers, how many bans went out for that one?

That isn't cheating, you're using the parameters of the game...breaking the parameters of the game to melee faster than ever possible is two different things.

Technically a unintended mechanic is still within the parameters of the game. Your logic is flawed.

I've got a nice little supposition for you.

How about the winners and losers get together and decide to gank CCP by faking a glitch event that cannot be proven or disproven by the evidence available. The alleged guilty party admits to use of a glitch while the alleged aggrieved party rants up and down creating loads of QQing noise with insults and "threats" towards CCP if they don't get what they want.

What if they award a shared first prize? What if CCP takes a harsh stand and then we get a reversal and everyone pats themselves on the back for getting CCP to do something without sufficient evidence?

Oops. CCP got ganked. Given this is New Eden I imagine that some serious proof has to be available before anybody will really take things serious -- regardless of the claims of either party.

Aye lets remember the modded AR controllers, how many bans went out for that one?

Aye lets remember the modded AR controllers, how many bans went out for that one?

Let's be real for a minute. There's no way you can prove someone uses a modded controller.

But let's be realer (hehe), CCP won't ban people even if somehow a person found a way to exploit Orbitals to kill everyone on the map. They'll take 2-3 months to fix it, and in the mean time stay quiet on the matter hoping it blows off.

That's their way of dealing with things. Broken mechanic, obviously against rules to exploit, say nothing about it only "a fix is coming", then send the usual yes men, aka lap dogs, aka fanboys, aka EVE hardons, aka DUST WILL NEVER DIE players, in to defend them on the forums.

CCP only bans people on the forums that express an honest truth about what's going on. But hey, why ban exploiters right?

Seems fair enough in New Eden. Can't take the truth on forums, but we should HTFU in game when people exploit. GG

Nope they're not. matter of factly, it's the same damn bug just about.

No, you're breaking the normal parameters of the game. To make it equivalent, you'd have to find a glitch to increase the base ROF of the rifle.

Melee glitching and rapid fire controllers are two COMPLETELY different things.

Yes, you said some crimes are victimless... and hence aren't crimes. Thus, if I see a crime as victimless I'm free to ignore it even though I might be held responsible if I'm caught -- even though no damage is done. For example, I might get a ticket.

In game land, you know Dust is a game right, people are pretty much able to decide which rules they care about and which consequences they care about. Short of bullying someone online just about everything in the game is victimless because nothing that happens IN A GAME is generally considered to be of consequence to normal people.

IF EVE players could see this Post..... They would have shut down Dust Cry posts.... Talk of Ethic's and Moral's in New eden? ......

KILL IT NAOW BEFORE IT SPREAD's!!!

CCP builds a game where they give you that choice .... Go be straight up evil and steal all the isk in the game!!! CCP will pat you on your back.

This thread is a crazy ride. I've collected enough tears to damn up a lake and provide power for my home away from combat missions for months.

No it's not. I can click a mouse button more than 700 times in 60 seconds, giving me equal ROF of a rapid fire controller.

it's not possible to melee as fast as ariana without exploiting the game mechanics to force 5 melees out in a half second.

No it's not. I can click a mouse button more than 700 times in 60 seconds, giving me equal ROF of a rapid fire controller.

it's not possible to melee as fast as ariana without exploiting the game mechanics to force 5 melees out in a half second.

BTW oldschool, nobody clicks to exploit rapid fire on a game that allows high end modern mouses these days. That was so 20 years ago.

just to recap

1. A team used a glitcher in the tournament. with proof and a confession by the glitcher.

2. Other teams complained about it in the forums, and got in touch with CCP and UF, with proof.

3. No response whatsoever from CCP nor UF, leaving kids speculate about the outcome, philosophizing on cars banned in the future.

4. Glitcher team wins the tournament, some think it is not fair and demand an official word from CCP to end this issue once and for all.

( did I miss something ?)

What surprised me even more than CCP and UF total disregard to a legitimate concern, how the CPM has been interacting with -borderline trolling- the players in this thread. A CPM should be impartial to all players.

"the CPM will be a vital conduit for the players voiceGÇÖs in the development of DUST 514 and the future of the New Eden Universe." CCP

I hope you would be a conduit for the all the players voices, and not your own opinions on the matter.

This will get out of hand unless CCP give a firm and clear response. IWS as our representative, will you convey the situation to CCP properly, with the arguments of both sides to help get us a resolution please.

Some rules are in place because they are designed to prevent possible injury to a party. Violation of the rule doesn't necessarily constitute the commission of a crime.

Case in point: reckless Driving

This rule is put in place to prevent the occurrence of crimes such a vehicular manslaughter.

Breaking the rule of reckless Driving, doesn't constitute the commission of vehicular manslaughter.
The rule is there, because someone, at some point in history, was driving recklessly, and caused personal injury or death to another. Because the driver didn't have the moral fortitude to think of the damage he might cause, he drove recklessly. The authorities then stepped in, seeing people could not govern themselves and stated that we may not drive recklessly. Now, because the rule is in place, there must be enforcement of the rule.

All because some ass hole couldn't conduct himself with some responsibility.

The rule had to be spelled out plainly for those who do not have the proper decency to conduct themselves with any concern for their fellow man.

just to recap

1. A team used a glitcher in the tournament. with proof and a confession by the glitcher.

2. Other teams complained about it in the forums, and got in touch with CCP and UF, with proof.

3. No response whatsoever from CCP nor UF, leaving kids speculate about the outcome, philosophizing on cars banned in the future.

4. Glitcher team wins the tournament, some think it is not fair and demand an official word from CCP to end this issue once and for all.

( did I miss something ?)

What surprised me even more than CCP and UF total disregard to a legitimate concern, how the CPM has been interacting with -borderline trolling- the players in this thread. A CPM should be impartial to all players.

"the CPM will be a vital conduit for the players voiceGÇÖs in the development of DUST 514 and the future of the New Eden Universe." CCP

I hope you would be a conduit for the all the players voices, and not your own opinions on the matter.

This will get out of hand unless CCP give a firm and clear response. IWS as our representative, will you convey the situation to CCP properly, with the arguments of both sides to help get us a resolution please.

edit: just because the melee glitch is easy to do doesn't mean you're still not exploiting a game breaking glitch.

BTW oldschool, nobody clicks to exploit rapid fire on a game that allows high end modern mouses these days. That was so 20 years ago.

If you knew the weapon of choice for the TAR exploit you would then realize how easily the rapid melee glitch can also be done in a very similar manner.

Irrelevant argument, you know you're wrong.

edit: just because the melee glitch is easy to do doesn't mean you're still not exploiting a game breaking glitch.

Not borderline trolling, he's trolling. He's been trolling in his CPM position since forever. There's times to troll and then there's moments where growing a pair and being honest will be appreciated.

I heard King QQobrah used a KB/M macros, I don't have evidence but I know because he told me