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Toby Flenderson
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Posted - 2013.09.30 06:34:00 -
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Blaze Ashra wrote:
Why should one persons action nullify their entire corps contribution? I can't think of any reason. You want to punish AE for a single user. You want to punish the user for doing everything they can to win. The glitch is being fixed and you don't seem to care about that.
This player has been using the exploit for a while now. I think we can both agree that the rest of the active players in the corp or at least the ones that play in tournaments would be aware of the tactic that their teammate employs. Their willingness to allow the player to participate and represent the entire corp in a tournament endorses the exploit that the one player abuses. By this logic the rest of the corp is as guilty or not guilty as the one user.
I'm not claiming that they should be disqualified for using the melee glitch but they are all equally guilty if it is decided that using it is cheating. |
Toby Flenderson
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The Superpowers
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Posted - 2013.09.30 06:52:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Seriously how many time did AE use this glitch in the tournament. Once, twice, every game? I've only seen one example of the glitch being used which is no way a reason to disqualify a whole corp simply because one person used a glitch (I HIGHLY doubt one person won the match anyways). If anything is going to happen it should be a re match without the glitcher fighting.
God this thread is filled to the brim with fail and biased arguments from both sides. This is just fking ridiculous (Especially since this tournament was the most poorly organized fail of a tournament I've ever seen)
Really I highly doubt CCP will do anything about this simply because this was technically not against the rules of the tournament.
If it were to be ruled cheating to use the melee glitch then the team with the cheater should be disqualified. They knew that the person was going to use the glitch considering they have been in PC matches for a while now. They accepted it and allowed them to participate. At that point they accept responsibilities for the teammate's actions. It's that simple. |
Toby Flenderson
research lab
The Superpowers
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Posted - 2013.09.30 06:59:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:Dust University is a bunch of **** heads, got, I hate you more than anybody.
OT: 90% of the playerbase don't know anything about this topic, 9% love Ari for making King Crybaby cry and the 1% are EoN.
Tell me more about how enlightening you and your posts are. |
Toby Flenderson
research lab
The Superpowers
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Posted - 2013.09.30 07:02:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Toby Flenderson wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Seriously how many time did AE use this glitch in the tournament. Once, twice, every game? I've only seen one example of the glitch being used which is no way a reason to disqualify a whole corp simply because one person used a glitch (I HIGHLY doubt one person won the match anyways). If anything is going to happen it should be a re match without the glitcher fighting.
God this thread is filled to the brim with fail and biased arguments from both sides. This is just fking ridiculous (Especially since this tournament was the most poorly organized fail of a tournament I've ever seen)
Really I highly doubt CCP will do anything about this simply because this was technically not against the rules of the tournament. If it were to be ruled cheating to use the melee glitch then the team with the cheater should be disqualified. They knew that the person was going to use the glitch considering they have been in PC matches for a while now. They accepted it and allowed them to participate. At that point they accept responsibilities for the teammate's actions. It's that simple. Prove that they knowingly allowed someone to glitch to win a match. All I've read is baseless arguments with little to no proof.
It doesn't even matter if they knew. I don't need to prove the highly likely case that a corp as organized as AE knows the tactics of their teammates or how unlikely it is that no one noticed the melee in the kill feed the whole time. My argument hinges on the fact that the corp is responsible for who it chooses to represent it. If they choose poorly then that is their fault and their problem if their chosen players "cheat". It's actually a really simple argument. |
Toby Flenderson
research lab
The Superpowers
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Posted - 2013.09.30 07:09:00 -
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Kira Lannister wrote:i mean is it really a glitch?
Your just sprinting and meleeing and sprinting and meleeing? Maybe he panicks and does it on accident. It is quite easy to do when you are trying to melee someone to death. You try to sprint to get closer, then melee, but then they back up, so you sprint then melee. All Ari did was sprint melee sprint melee. I mean nothing wrong with that. Its kind of like sweeping in mortal kombat, just doing it over and over.
Kry Kobrah said he did it to a full squad, He probably got super scared seeing so many people coming to kill him at once that Ari spazzed out and button mashed, causing this glitch to happen by mistake.
It's kind of like when you sprint while reloading your gun, you do it out of panic because your getting shot. Yet somehow it cuts your reload time by a few seconds. (especially if your a heavy) Maybe some people do it innocently. >:]
The video I saw showed it being down to someone who was hacking an objective. That doesn't seem like an accident. I only call it a "glitch" because it's been referred to as "the melee glitch" in the forums for so long. I agree that it was just an unknown consequence of the melee/sprint mechanics. The fact that CCP is "fixing" it eludes to the idea that it was not intended to be exploited.
Ultimately I think that if it wasn't against the rules then it's not cheating as long as their was no hacking involved. I'm not going to think that AE didn't deserve to win if 1 person used the "glitch" and since CCP had the tournament knowing this was being done then I don't see why they should be disqualified.
Basically I see it as a cheap tactic that works just as invisibility would work or infinite ammo would work if it could be done. But it still is part of core movement mechanics so it's not a glitch by my standards. |
Toby Flenderson
research lab
The Superpowers
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Posted - 2013.09.30 07:33:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Toby Flenderson wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Toby Flenderson wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Seriously how many time did AE use this glitch in the tournament. Once, twice, every game? I've only seen one example of the glitch being used which is no way a reason to disqualify a whole corp simply because one person used a glitch (I HIGHLY doubt one person won the match anyways). If anything is going to happen it should be a re match without the glitcher fighting.
God this thread is filled to the brim with fail and biased arguments from both sides. This is just fking ridiculous (Especially since this tournament was the most poorly organized fail of a tournament I've ever seen)
Really I highly doubt CCP will do anything about this simply because this was technically not against the rules of the tournament. If it were to be ruled cheating to use the melee glitch then the team with the cheater should be disqualified. They knew that the person was going to use the glitch considering they have been in PC matches for a while now. They accepted it and allowed them to participate. At that point they accept responsibilities for the teammate's actions. It's that simple. Prove that they knowingly allowed someone to glitch to win a match. All I've read is baseless arguments with little to no proof. It doesn't even matter if they knew. I don't need to prove the highly likely case that a corp as organized as AE knows the tactics of their teammates or how unlikely it is that no one noticed the melee in the kill feed the whole time. My argument hinges on the fact that the corp is responsible for who it chooses to represent it. If they choose poorly then that is their fault and their problem if their chosen players "cheat". It's actually a really simple argument. So you're saying that CCP should punish an entire corp for one players actions in a single match (As far as I know at least). Yeeeeeaaaa, no. That is a very horrible idea. Like I said they should just do a rematch without the glitcher(s) being in it.
You're clearly not reading what I'm saying and it's getting a little tiring explaining this over and over. I'll try to explain this to you in easier terms...
The corp chooses who is on their team for a tournament battle. They have 16 spots so they have to make 16 wise choices to fill those spots on their team. They want to win so they probably pick their best players. If they then win with these 16 best players then the corp would share in the prizes and bragging rights due to their wise choices. If they instead picked their 16 worst players and lost then they would be responsible for the consequences of this choice as well. If they picked their top 15 players and one ****** player that suicided constantly they would possibly lose. If this were the case then the entire corp would be responsible for the loss because it was their job to pick the best players. They pay the price for their poor choices.
Now... If you understand that then we're good so far. But now try to understand this...
If that 16th player instead cheated or violated the rules of the tournament or simple sat around pleasuring themselves while they hacked into the server and blatantly declared themselves the winner of the tournament... The team would pay the price for the choice the elect that player to participate. If they were found guilty of cheating then that team should be disqualified. The rest of the team, having fought fairly, should blame themselves or the corp member who chose the cheater for allowing a member of their team to cheat.
"Prove they knew about it"... It doesn't matter if they knew about it because it is their responsibility to make sure that everyone on their team plays by the rules. They can't just play dumb and accept the positive consequences of the teammate's actions while not also accepting the negative consequences.
Hopefully this makes sense to you.
Possibly the best part of your response is your inference that I think they should be disqualified. I'm saying IF (with a loud, titanic "I" "F") it were decided that the melee glitch was cheating then, yes, AE all should be punished. All of what I've said has been based on the conditional statement "IF one person from AE cheated, then they should be all pay the price".
It would be like me saying "IF you don't understand the logic of conditional statements, THEN you shouldn't act like you do or put words in my mouth". The conclusion following the "THEN" only applies when the condition after the "IF" is satisfied.
Argue all you want about the IF but my THEN is perfectly sound, which you seem to ignore. It's not a horrible idea to hold corps accountable for their members considering it's completely in their power to add/remove members. |
Toby Flenderson
research lab
The Superpowers
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Posted - 2013.09.30 08:17:00 -
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Ascifi Ogrop wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:After reading the hole thread and al it's trolling and flaming I wonder wy CCP have not responded?
That's just plain rude if you ask me!
son, are you paying attention in class? make sure do... In what way was I disrespectful to you to generate and deserv that kind of elitist and diminishing post from you my god sir? Sir sence you obviously are the hight of wisdom I urge you to start a school where we the less educated can take in al of your and yours only life wisdom. Best regards Dr Eriksson It's the fact your in an English lesson and not using the correct spelling etc.....o wait. And as Tony says, it is correct the whole team gets punished, like in any other tournament/league when someone cheats to gain an advantage.
You're* and Toby*. Sorry but if you call him out on English... |
Toby Flenderson
research lab
The Superpowers
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Posted - 2013.09.30 08:54:00 -
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Ascifi Ogrop wrote:
Was about to edit tony to Toby, it also wasn't me bringing him up on his English, was just answering his question why someone told him to pay attention at school, I'm using ny phone so punctuation and grammar are never going to be correct.
Eh, yeah you were. He was asking why someone was attacking him personally instead of his posts. Your post just drew more attention to the attack and ignored the reason why his post was ignored except to attack his English.
I wish that it wasn't easier to attack people rather than their ideas. The forums would be much more useful it that weren't the case. |
Toby Flenderson
research lab
The Superpowers
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Posted - 2013.09.30 09:18:00 -
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DS 10 wrote:Toby Flenderson wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Seriously how many time did AE use this glitch in the tournament. Once, twice, every game? I've only seen one example of the glitch being used which is no way a reason to disqualify a whole corp simply because one person used a glitch (I HIGHLY doubt one person won the match anyways). If anything is going to happen it should be a re match without the glitcher fighting.
God this thread is filled to the brim with fail and biased arguments from both sides. This is just fking ridiculous (Especially since this tournament was the most poorly organized fail of a tournament I've ever seen)
Really I highly doubt CCP will do anything about this simply because this was technically not against the rules of the tournament. If it were to be ruled cheating to use the melee glitch then the team with the cheater should be disqualified. They knew that the person was going to use the glitch considering they have been in PC matches for a while now. They accepted it and allowed them to participate. At that point they accept responsibilities for the teammate's actions. It's that simple. The thing is the glitch was never formally named against any rules. If today CCP put out a statement that the melee glitch is in fact cheating, they still wouldn't punish AE. You know why? You can't punish som+żone for doing an illegal thing before what they're doing becomes illegal.
So if some new glitch were to be discovered during the match and exploited it would be ok because it wasn't deemed illegeal before the match started? Or if people used the invisibility glitch it would still be ok? I see what you're staying but disagree with how black and white you're making it. People constantly look for ways to exploit mechanics of competitive games. When the community and CCP decide that this mechanic is broken and that it's being fixed the next time they update the build of the game then it should not be used. If they decide that it's considered cheating then I support that decision just like I'd support calling invisible clones cheating. |
Toby Flenderson
research lab
The Superpowers
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Posted - 2013.09.30 09:32:00 -
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Ascifi Ogrop wrote:I was not attacking him, I wrote he got that response because we are in an English lesson...o wait, it was sarcasm towards the person responding to his post...apologies if you can't quite understand that. I do not care how he spells as I am terrible mumyself most the time!
Ahhh then I owe you an apology. I didn't realize you were being sarcastic. Makes a lot more sense now. Good will is wished to you and all of your loved ones  |
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Toby Flenderson
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The Superpowers
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Posted - 2013.09.30 09:37:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:Why is this Toby Flenderson guy more butthurt than the actual guy, who got melee'd?
I posted my opinion and then people continued to not understand and/or put words in my mouth about it so yeah I'm a little frustrated when people don't actually read arguments and then critique them. Nice contribution to the post. I look forward to reading your future posts. |
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