Didn't bother understanding.

You suck if melee exploit kill you
CCP Don't give a ****
Too late in the game to QQ
CCP/UF tournament was ****
Guys don't give a **** and are your enemy
You need to HTFU

yeah this is so the Dust forums.

Hey now.. I don't think we should be disqualified. At the time, the melee glitch had not been confirmed by ccp as a glitch nor very well known. Sooo.. I think a simple slap on the wrist like a loss of the SyN game round and a stern msg from CCP tellin ari not to continue (which we told him to stop anyway afterward) would of been enough.

Iron Wolf Saber,

How do you represent the community when you spend so much time attacking it and acting like it has no valid criticisms of CCP?



The community decides for itself what issues are real and which ones aren't. You'd know that if you were really trying to represent us. If your role is not to lead then telling us which issues are important and which ones aren't is hypocrisy of the first order.

You say attacking you or CCP is a waste of time? Maybe spend less time attacking the community you supposedly represent and that won't be our default response.



Objection, speculative.

Let me be clear, this was my very first run-in with the melee glitch, my corp mates warned me of it so i set up my phone to record since I figured it would be pretty clear glitching in a tourney should result in a ban. Furthermore, this happened at a time when the game didn't aim for you and hit detection was still terrible, so it was almost impossible to combat this garbage. infinite sprint glitch + kinetic catalyzers + melee glitch = one man wrecking ball, and this is not something that should happen in a "prime league" tournament.



So the CPM condones glitching in tourney, that's absolutely incredible to me. The "voice of the people" thinks it's perfectly okay to exploit game-breaking glitches to win official CCP-run tournament matches.


And people wonder why the population drops faster by the day.

Your message was pretty clear, you don't think there should be any punishment for winning tournament matches via glitching.

This isn't hard to understand, you don't think there should be anything done about glitching to win tourney matches, despite the fact WTF was disqualified for breaking the rules...yet AE can glitch and go unscaved???

I'd be happy to edit in the pre-war barge footage I cut out before uploading this to prove it was a tournament match with full rosters of registered players.

Trying to argue against my proof is asinine, ONE OF THE LEADERS OF AE HAS ADMITTED HIMSELF THEY GLITCHED IN TOURNEY IN THE WAR ROOM

Let me play the tiniest violin in the world.... HA who cares, a LOSS is a LOSS. Hahahahaha............ The tears is this thread could power three countries. True story.

if your not cheating your not playing the way you should. *cough* auto aim assists* cough*

i blame IWS for this one.

you are acting childish

you do not deserve the title you hold

you are trolln and that is against the forum rules

you are a very bad example for the community

I have irrefutable evidence AE glitched in the tournament, and I'm the unreasonable one?

how much is CCP paying you for damage control?

This is just pathetic.

This 1000x, i made a post on UF forums and PM'd UF admins about this with the video and nothing was done. tickets and IRC contact was sent to CCP a month ago, and nothing was done.

I warned CCP logibro in the announcements thread a week ago there was going to be a problem if no action was taken

and now there's a problem.

Sorry to say it king but, I didn't see or hear anything!
Irrespective of that your health was low so, it probably only took 1 melee anyway!

In addition to this your video is of poor quality, and I it is hard to see who the culprit is.
Likely CCP decided it wasn't enough evidence to move on!

From what I can tell, CCP doesnt do anything about glitchers and exploiters because they feel its their fault they allowed something like that slip by their development team. As someone has said, this sets a bad example on future tournaments where glitching and exploiting is allowed because CCP has to take the fault. Next bug/glitch/exploit that gets introduced before a tournament will get abused to hell. If thats how CCP feels their tournaments should run, I'm glad I'm not part of it.

woah scapegoat, your not going to push off blame on kane. jenna would be much better to push some blame on

Your ineffectual fumbling with the forum trolls is not what I'm talking about when I say you're attacking the community (more on that in a minute).

The facts are that a glitch was used during the tournament, brought to CCP's attention (you yourself have testified to this), and they did nothing about it. Your attempts to hold the community responsible for CCP's inaction is unbecoming of someone in the office you hold.

Additional, I fail to see how enabling trolls falls under the heading of "counter trolling". By engaging such people you ensure that should someone attempt rational discourse you can only either acknowledge points they have made and provide an opening for further attack by trolls or stonewall that point and kill discourse. How after "20 years" have you not learned the finer points of not feeding the trolls? How can you believe you are "burning them" when your criticisms are unsubstantiated suppositions like "you would have quit."? Criticisms which I found especially rich given your attempts to justify the absence of your fellow council members.

I'm sorry, if the only response you have for me is borderline gibberish then I cannot continue this conversation.

Please feel free to believe whatever you like. I'll simply wait quietly for CPM1.

The server logs confirm that Arirana was present and glitching out the game.

CCP holds all of the evidence, it's up to them whether or not they want to do the right thing.

But if they don't, this black mark will forever stain their reputation.

I wonder if I should start contacting media outlets if we don't get a response soon? I hear they like that. Seemed to work well back during Incarna.

Hard to believe there are so many people defending the use of an exploit but this thread really goes to show how pathetic this childish community is.

For those saying CCP hasn't acknowledged it as an exploit; you're wrong, they've already done so. It's even in the 1.5 patch notes.



You people need to harden the fck up and stop defending a crutch, you pathetic scrubs.

"Using Glitches and exploits in game

Urgent Fury does not allow the use of exploits or glitches in game. If a known glitch exists giving an unfair advantage to a team is used, they will be given one warning and lose the round they were playing. If it is used again, the clan will be removed from the event."

YOU GLITCHED MULTIPLE ROUNDS IN TOURNEY = DISQUALIFICATION

READ THE SITE BEFORE YOU POST INFORMATION THAT WILL DISCREDIT YOUR ARGUMENT, LMFAO

http://www.urgentfury.com/competitions.php?do=rules

Furthermore IWS, why don't you go get your dev buddies, get them to post in this thread, and end it with the final word?

Why won't you go get CCP and tell them to do something about the members of your community that you represent being wronged?

so if glitching in a tournament is not only not grounds for dicipliary action but also doesnt effect that teams standing in the tournament.

whats to stop me from creating a gltich corp and infesting PC with these kinds of shinanigans.


im one of the people who broke down the invisability glich and could replicate it at will, ther are NUMOROUS other glitches in the game that very few people know about but are devistating if used correctly



so whats to stop me from creating a crack team of glitch exploiters and taking over space with glitches?


the melee glitch is actually one of the tamest aggro glitches in the game right now.

so people, send me some ingame mail if you want to join this crack team of glitch testers/abusers, becuase its VERY clear there isnt any consequences for doing so.

We helped team true grit test PC and fix the lag while the guys in shanghai watched.

we were given nothing.

stop making **** up.

ccp does not and should not reward glitchers.

i diddnt get a reword to sending off replication specs to CCP for the invis glitch .....

:P

the rewards were givin due to the newness of the game at the tiem, the damning video evidence, and the popularity of the team that published the results

something tells me creating a crack team of glitchers wouldnt exactly endear me to CCP and wouldnt produce any rewards

it does NOT matter if it was an official tournament or a 5 minute ambush

a glitch is a cheat if and when you exploit it and its against the EULA and TOS
to change or play the game in a manner that was never intended

it does not matter if its the invisible, infinite OB, melee or any other game mechanic that was never intended
when you exploit it for your own gain in wins/kills war points or pure trolling ITS CHEATING

as for the bet who would ever hand over cash or any kind of payment to someone
that you exploited a cheat and admitted it I sure in the hell wouldn't

Except there's still lag in PC to this day, nothing has been resolved.

Yeah a pat on the back from devs who allow glitching is a really good reward, thx ccp ur so good

Why won't you get CCP to even audit their roster and make sure they didn't register someone after the sign up date and play them in a match too? This is almost confirmed and all we need is CCP to check

On top of glitching in the tourney, how is that not enough to overturn the decision?

Just give it to TP and call it a day.

Anyone want to hear what Kobra sounds like on other games he get's melee'd on?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVD7qYTANiY

... Really? lol TP has to prove they didn't use it? How about all corps prove they didn't use it then. Everyone cheated. :)

There's no evidence to say any corp except AE used a glitch openly in tournament.

Not that the tournament matters to me - or anyone. I just thought you asking this as a CPM was lol worthy.

Not gonna get into this waste of time argument, but if you had pay attention to the forums, you would have seen a number of AE players admitting that what's his name used the exploit. What makes you think he didn't use it in the tourney? Nobody has reason to lie about it do they?

I didn't play in the tourney game, but for my whole team to come back and say they were being killed via melee? lol... yea no proof needed. He's a known exploiter of the mechanic, but hey, we need video proof! lol

CCP is a joke, and they won't ban anyone. They can't afford to... literally. They make a broken game, and they can't punish people for exploiting it. Simple as that.

And with this 1 comment on the matter, I'm out. AE is known for condoning this tactic, so it's all cool.

Wow man,

It really speaks volumes about this community, that you people would go to such lengths to defend such a blatant and obvious exploit.

Not surprising really.

The bottom line:

Those who exploit any unintended game mechanic are cheaters, they know it, the community knows it. They should feel bad, but sadly because of the state of their generation, probably do not.

There is no such thing as honor or integrity amongst these types. There is no sense of belonging or responsibility to the DUST community in them. No, instead, it is all about them, what ever they can do to boost their in game stats. It really is pitiful, because, essentially, this is all their life will ever amount to. These are their greatest accomplishments, therefore they feel the need to defend such selfish and inexcusable behavior with the fervor of a man clinging to the edge of a cliff. You see, if they admit they are wrong in their actions, they, then they admit they have accomplished absolutely nothing with their lives except cheating on a video game.

Makes it easy to gank doesn't it... get paid after the fact to admit wrongdoing... bam, DQ. Awesome!

Speaking of reading everything in the forums hasn't this come up in past?

If I had video evidence and witness testimony of someone committing a crime in court, or cheating in sports (think baseballers using steroids), that would be all the evidence needed to convict.

How is there no leverage here? Clearly a large portion of the community is outraged this has been allowed to happen.

It was the biggest event in the history of this game, relative to dust 514, it's pretty huge. relative to eve, not so much, but they're two different games.

dust played almost no role in the caldari titan. this is an event that lasted three months, that lasted one day. i just said it doesn't compare to eve because they're two different games. this is a strawman argument anyways and has nothing to do with the matter at hand, the size and scope of the event dosen't matter, the rules being broken does.

I'll just quote myself to reply to this...

"Your honor, I know what I did was wrong, but I didn't know there was a law against it! So by that logic, i'm not guilty!"

we couldnt pick a side... the outcome may as well been determined by RNG...

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ answer this one, IWS

moar like IBS am i rite

Your all ignorant fools ccp allow me to mod this game and it will be totally fair okay? I was able to do it therefore its intended

So either CCP saw glitching and did nothing, or they didn't monitor their own tournament. Pick your poison.

I've got a nice little supposition for you.

How about the winners and losers get together and decide to gank CCP by faking a glitch event that cannot be proven or disproven by the evidence available. The alleged guilty party admits to use of a glitch while the alleged aggrieved party rants up and down creating loads of QQing noise with insults and "threats" towards CCP if they don't get what they want.

What if they award a shared first prize? What if CCP takes a harsh stand and then we get a reversal and everyone pats themselves on the back for getting CCP to do something without sufficient evidence?

Oops. CCP got ganked. Given this is New Eden I imagine that some serious proof has to be available before anybody will really take things serious -- regardless of the claims of either party.

Let's be real for a minute. There's no way you can prove someone uses a modded controller.

But let's be realer (hehe), CCP won't ban people even if somehow a person found a way to exploit Orbitals to kill everyone on the map. They'll take 2-3 months to fix it, and in the mean time stay quiet on the matter hoping it blows off.

That's their way of dealing with things. Broken mechanic, obviously against rules to exploit, say nothing about it only "a fix is coming", then send the usual yes men, aka lap dogs, aka fanboys, aka EVE hardons, aka DUST WILL NEVER DIE players, in to defend them on the forums.

CCP only bans people on the forums that express an honest truth about what's going on. But hey, why ban exploiters right?

Seems fair enough in New Eden. Can't take the truth on forums, but we should HTFU in game when people exploit. GG

No it's not. I can click a mouse button more than 700 times in 60 seconds, giving me equal ROF of a rapid fire controller.

it's not possible to melee as fast as ariana without exploiting the game mechanics to force 5 melees out in a half second.

just to recap

1. A team used a glitcher in the tournament. with proof and a confession by the glitcher.

2. Other teams complained about it in the forums, and got in touch with CCP and UF, with proof.

3. No response whatsoever from CCP nor UF, leaving kids speculate about the outcome, philosophizing on cars banned in the future.

4. Glitcher team wins the tournament, some think it is not fair and demand an official word from CCP to end this issue once and for all.

( did I miss something ?)

What surprised me even more than CCP and UF total disregard to a legitimate concern, how the CPM has been interacting with -borderline trolling- the players in this thread. A CPM should be impartial to all players.

"the CPM will be a vital conduit for the players voiceGÇÖs in the development of DUST 514 and the future of the New Eden Universe." CCP

I hope you would be a conduit for the all the players voices, and not your own opinions on the matter.

This will get out of hand unless CCP give a firm and clear response. IWS as our representative, will you convey the situation to CCP properly, with the arguments of both sides to help get us a resolution please.

Irrelevant argument, you know you're wrong.

edit: just because the melee glitch is easy to do doesn't mean you're still not exploiting a game breaking glitch.

And now he's using his position to outweigh the opinions of the community. Absolutely pathetic.

Video evidence and player testimony of cheating in the tournament is now crying in the eyes of a "community rep"

LMFAO.

Did i ever say the rules weren't enforceable? No! Why do you keep putting words in my mouth? I know plenty about legal matters.

The rules are there to protect society from those without the common decency to do, or not to do the act in question. Of course they are enforceable. That is the point.

If the act had never been committed, the rule wouldn't exist.

For instance, the tags on many electronics which state to keep the device away from sources of water. This seems like common sense to most people, correct?

Do you know that these tags are there because some idiot thought it was a bright idea to use the curling iron while taking a shower! Then, because there was no warning on the device, the customer sued the manufacturer after getting electrocuted, and won!

So, to protect themselves, the companies making the devices had to put a written rule on their device stating not to use the device near a source of water.

Except I've already told you 4 different times this has been brought to the attention of the necessary people and they did nothing.

It's only after the fact because CCP was shuffling their feet, now it's time for the community to get involved.