When we want you to? Now go back to killing clones please.

It'll be out soon enough either this week or the next at the latest.

When we want you to? Now go back to killing clones please.

It'll be out soon enough either this week or the next at the latest.

When we want you to? Now go back to killing clones please.

It'll be out soon enough either this week or the next at the latest.

Wow this better be good. Or your going to get hated on like never before. People dont like being told to wait. Not when a games in this state. I have my hope, don't let me down i still have faith (very very very very very small but hey lol).

loosen your belt a little and chill

he actually gave a time when he asked.....im pretty sure the dev is being pretty awesome here....and trying to be funny.

loosen your belt a little and chill

6. Zooming sniper scopes?

No. We are replacing the sniper scope with the Forge Gun reticle. Happy Hunting.

When we want you to? Now go back to killing clones please.

It'll be out soon enough either this week or the next at the latest.

What are these patch notes that people speak of? Do you by chance mean the arcane scribble that magically appears 24 hours before a change takes place thus preventing any meaningful feedback from the community which could potentially prevent problems before they occur? If so yeah I may have heard about those once a while back. Its a shame we don't see them sooner for the aforementioned reason.

What are these patch notes that people speak of? Do you by chance mean the arcane scribble that magically appears 24 hours before a change takes place thus preventing any meaningful feedback from the community which could potentially prevent problems before they occur? If so yeah I may have heard about those once a while back. Its a shame we don't see them sooner for the aforementioned reason.

1. Is it going to include the test maps so we can practice flying and scrimmage against our own corp members?

The new test map will be a 5x5 meter whiteroom. You will test weapons there.

2. Is the MD going to be nerfed? Or the Forge gun?

No, both will be buffed solely to annoy you.

3. Are scouts being buffed?

Scouts will be filled with 30% more tasty meat.

4. Will there be more maps, or the ability to choose the maps we want to go to?

There will be more maps, however, you are annoying and will be stuck in Line Harvest for eternity.

5. The AR is great, but can the GEK get nerfed, or at least dumbed down a bit?

No. Because the AR nerf threads are stupid.

6. Zooming sniper scopes?

No. We are replacing the sniper scope with the Forge Gun reticle. Happy Hunting.

7. Removal or extension of SP cap?

SP cap is now 300 SP/day unless you are a goon and thus in charge of CCP. If you are a goon the SP cap is unlimited.

8. Dropships playing a bigger part in the game, pilots getting forward firing guns so they can kill too?

You are aware of the assault dropship, yes? Of note, however, as dropships are felt to be in the wrong place we have replaced their tritanium alloy hulls with paper mache and amarr prayers. This should reflect the durability intended for the vehicles.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

Kind and Honorable Sir Philip Wang.

I saw where the notes included a 60% resist for Charbydis so in my humble estimation sometimes it may be best to get notes ahead of time to notice errors in balance before a build drops.

Thank you.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

I'm liking the new tone of the commander :-)

But in regards to the patch notes, sometimes a fresh pair of eyes can spot things people close to the project can't. Maths is maths afterall. Or the players can outright tell you how they are going to openly exploit a change.

We are the end customer and in the business word customers are a big part of the development process. The gaming world is no diffrent. Please work with us.

And stop using a live eniorment ti teat changes. It's bad practice full stop.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

Well, I agree but sometimes people forget that this is something really new, a MMO on a console that is working towards a full connection with another MMO on a different platform. So this is something akin to getting a man on the moon, and there were problems along the way there. Did people troll the NASA space program when things didn't go according to plan? Or did they get back on the horse and help provide solutions?

We do listen to player feedback and some of them do make it into the game. It would be a lie to say that is not so. I know that it's taken longer than most of you on the forums would like, but it does take time to workout a solution when one is trodding down a path never traveled. A few of you on the forums have been with us all this time, so I am just asking you guys to keep on providing helpful feedback and a little less hate. Hope that's not too much to ask.

Well, I agree but sometimes people forget that this is something really new, a MMO on a console that is working towards a full connection with another MMO on a different platform. So this is something akin to getting a man on the moon, and there were problems along the way there. Did people troll the NASA space program when things didn't go according to plan? Or did they get back on the horse and help provide solutions?

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Then BEFORE the next Event post a thread asking the playerbase what Event rewards we want.

Doing it this way shows the playerbase that actual feedback about the game is being evaluated .

I.e. list three Event rewards that you want and what format to get them i.e. revives, heals, kills , etc.

Well, I agree but sometimes people forget that this is something really new, a MMO on a console that is working towards a full connection with another MMO on a different platform. So this is something akin to getting a man on the moon, and there were problems along the way there. Did people troll the NASA space program when things didn't go according to plan? Or did they get back on the horse and help provide solutions?

We do listen to player feedback and some of them do make it into the game. It would be a lie to say that is not so. I know that it's taken longer than most of you on the forums would like, but it does take time to workout a solution when one is trodding down a path never traveled. A few of you on the forums have been with us all this time, so I am just asking you guys to keep on providing helpful feedback and a little less hate. Hope that's not too much to ask.

Then BEFORE the next Event post a thread asking the playerbase what Event rewards we want.

Doing it this way shows the playerbase that actual feedback about the game is being evaluated .

I.e. list three Event rewards that you want and what format to get them i.e. revives, heals, kills , etc.

ITT: Dev finally publicly annoyed at forum BS.

Well, I agree but sometimes people forget that this is something really new, a MMO on a console that is working towards a full connection with another MMO on a different platform. So this is something akin to getting a man on the moon, and there were problems along the way there. Did people troll the NASA space program when things didn't go according to plan? Or did they get back on the horse and help provide solutions?

We do listen to player feedback and some of them do make it into the game. It would be a lie to say that is not so. I know that it's taken longer than most of you on the forums would like, but it does take time to workout a solution when one is trodding down a path never traveled. A few of you on the forums have been with us all this time, so I am just asking you guys to keep on providing helpful feedback and a little less hate. Hope that's not too much to ask.

Well, I agree but sometimes people forget that this is something really new, a MMO on a console that is working towards a full connection with another MMO on a different platform. So this is something akin to getting a man on the moon, and there were problems along the way there. Did people troll the NASA space program when things didn't go according to plan? Or did they get back on the horse and help provide solutions?

We do listen to player feedback and some of them do make it into the game. It would be a lie to say that is not so. I know that it's taken longer than most of you on the forums would like, but it does take time to workout a solution when one is trodding down a path never traveled. A few of you on the forums have been with us all this time, so I am just asking you guys to keep on providing helpful feedback and a little less hate. Hope that's not too much to ask.

A few of you on the forums have been with us all this time, so I am just asking you guys to keep on providing helpful feedback and a little less hate. Hope that's not too much to ask.

yes, good let that hate flow through you

When we want you to? Now go back to killing clones please.

It'll be out soon enough either this week or the next at the latest.

:( i cant kill anybody... i accidentally speced into vehicles...

Well, I agree but sometimes people forget that this is something really new, a MMO on a console that is working towards a full connection with another MMO on a different platform. So this is something akin to getting a man on the moon, and there were problems along the way there. Did people troll the NASA space program when things didn't go according to plan? Or did they get back on the horse and help provide solutions?

We do listen to player feedback and some of them do make it into the game. It would be a lie to say that is not so. I know that it's taken longer than most of you on the forums would like, but it does take time to workout a solution when one is trodding down a path never traveled. A few of you on the forums have been with us all this time, so I am just asking you guys to keep on providing helpful feedback and a little less hate. Hope that's not too much to ask.

lol....im sorry.....so much yes

Maybe you should talk to a good Vehicle specialist like Mary Sedillo? He doesn't seem to have a problem killing anything.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

Maybe you should talk to a good Vehicle specialist like Mary Sedillo? He doesn't seem to have a problem killing anything.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

youre pretty funny. i do pretty fine in tanks thanks. never heard of this mary sedillo guy, n im one of those good vehicle specialists your talking about from over a year ago in beta...w/e welcome to the forums

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

Maybe if STB actually fought their own battles instead having AE ring you'd have had your tank destroyed by him.

At a 7.2 K/D I'd say he's pretty damn good, especially considering vehicles can't kill anything....

Sometimes the changes yall make look pretty bad on paper and usually translate into something very stupid ingame. example would be the core flaylock. a lot of hassle could have been avoided if yall showed us the stats before you released that super OP weapon. We all know that took nearly 2 months to fix. Honestly, did yall look at that weapon and go "Oh yes this weapon seems balanced"? even though it had the most dps out of every weapon, less pg and cpu to use, more splash damage and radius than a proto missile launcher or mass driver, and above all it was a sidearm.


You're real close to being called "BLAM 2"

The flaylock was not OP until the explosion hit detection was fixed. The weapon probably seemed fine during testing and there was no problems with this being OP until the explosion fix. The explosion fix also changed the MD from being UP to being good.

You are too quick to make conclusions on this matter. I am confident that CPP does playtest new content. I would suspect the biggest problem is anticipating player behavior. There would be no problems with current tanks if only few skilled into proto AV. How should they balance it properly before release, not knowing our behavior? Should tanks be balanced around all players having access to proto AV, to 10% having proto AV? This can vary greatly from match to match. One match having unstoppable tanks while the next getting tanks destroyed shortly after they are deployed.

I would say the best option is to try and balance it on paper and during their playtesting. And later update its characteristics if needed depending on how it is deployed in pub matches. And I believe 1-2 months of real testing is needed to properly gather statistics and seeing if it finds a proper use not being OP or UP.

Specific Issue: Non-existent balance between tiers of equipment
Circumstances: Every game I play for the whole duration of each game
Insight: Likely caused by CCP not knowing how to balance an FPS and trying to cram EVE mechanics into the wrong game.
Reproduction: Press start battle and then spawn in match. Bug readily apparent to anyone older than 5 upon spawning.

Did that help?

The flaylock was not OP until the explosion hit detection was fixed. The weapon probably seemed fine during testing and there was no problems with this being OP until the explosion fix. The explosion fix also changed the MD from being UP to being good.

You are too quick to make conclusions on this matter. I am confident that CPP does playtest new content. I would suspect the biggest problem is anticipating player behavior. There would be no problems with current tanks if only few skilled into proto AV. How should they balance it properly before release, not knowing our behavior? Should tanks be balanced around all players having access to proto AV, to 10% having proto AV? This can vary greatly from match to match. One match having unstoppable tanks while the next getting tanks destroyed shortly after they are deployed.

I would say the best option is to try and balance it on paper and during their playtesting. And later update its characteristics if needed depending on how it is deployed in pub matches. And I believe 1-2 months of real testing is needed to properly gather statistics and seeing if it finds a proper use not being OP or UP.

When we want you to? Now go back to killing clones please.

It'll be out soon enough either this week or the next at the latest.

I understand what hes saying. There is no way to predict how we are going to end up playing, but I think some player feedback on stats would help out tremendously the headache when they release new features and updates to our inventory.

Look at what team grit did when they first announced PC. they had nearly full transparency and the community pointed out a flaw that would have a corp make endless isk.

as for the proto av vs tanks. In my opinion having vehicles without its proto counter part seems like a decision that was not made with good foresight. Think of releasing proto weapons and only having standard suits.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

OK Tech Ohm Eaven, but keep in mind that if you want something new, whether its new items or something that is not already in game, then it will take time for us to develop it.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

I would like to point out that the community saw the new plates being bad immediately.
It's hardly going to be 100% accurate feedback, but it's quite easy to tell if something's very wrong just from the patchnotes.

I would like to point out that the community saw the new plates being bad immediately.
It's hardly going to be 100% accurate feedback, but it's quite easy to tell if something's very wrong just from the patchnotes.

Did people troll the NASA space program when things didn't go according to plan?

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

Well, I agree but sometimes people forget that this is something really new, a MMO on a console that is working towards a full connection with another MMO on a different platform. So this is something akin to getting a man on the moon, and there were problems along the way there. Did people troll the NASA space program when things didn't go according to plan? Or did they get back on the horse and help provide solutions?

We do listen to player feedback and some of them do make it into the game. It would be a lie to say that is not so. I know that it's taken longer than most of you on the forums would like, but it does take time to workout a solution when one is trodding down a path never traveled. A few of you on the forums have been with us all this time, so I am just asking you guys to keep on providing helpful feedback and a little less hate. Hope that's not too much to ask.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

Uh oh, It sounds like we've started to break CCP Cmdr Wang, or maybe it's the 25 hour days to get DUST in a happy place.

Commander, we're all anxious to get past the core mechanics and bug fixes so we can get on to the new content. Even the ones that are declaring "DUST is Dead" are still here for a reason. We're just anxious to see if there is going to be anything new in 1.4 or if it's going to be just another batch of fixes. If we had more teasers of new things that we can speculate about and look forward to it would go a long way towards helping us with the wait. Currently, we hear very little and then suddenly get the new build and patch notes.

Please use your new community reps to increase the trickle of news and eye candy. We're like a bunch of drug addicts going through withdrawal out here!

Well, I agree but sometimes people forget that this is something really new, a MMO on a console that is working towards a full connection with another MMO on a different platform. So this is something akin to getting a man on the moon, and there were problems along the way there. Did people troll the NASA space program when things didn't go according to plan? Or did they get back on the horse and help provide solutions?

We do listen to player feedback and some of them do make it into the game. It would be a lie to say that is not so. I know that it's taken longer than most of you on the forums would like, but it does take time to workout a solution when one is trodding down a path never traveled. A few of you on the forums have been with us all this time, so I am just asking you guys to keep on providing helpful feedback and a little less hate. Hope that's not too much to ask.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

When we want you to? Now go back to killing clones please.

It'll be out soon enough either this week or the next at the latest.

We like to give feedback before things happened because sometimes all it takes is text to a veteran player to figure out if something is wrong. Want examples? Everyone knew the flaylock was OP before it came out because we saw the amount of damage it did in the trailer. Everyone knew the caldari logi was hit hit with a nerf bat instead of a balance because we saw in the patch notes that its CPU was sliced by a whopping 40 base cpu in addition to 90 less shield, and longer shield recharge times.

And you say the patch notes are there for preparation? In a 1 week timeframe with how we gain 190k SP in a week, have no respecs, and are completely subjugated to your decision making process of nerfing and buffing every single thing in the game, HOW are we supposed to use a week, with patch notes, to make ANY meaningful preparations.

Heres an example: I specced into caldari logi, my entire SP path of 18 million SP was based around using the exact stats of the caldari logi, I figured I'd stack shield extenders and use low slots to fit CPU & PG mods to equip proto equipment.
Doing so meant I'd never need shield regulators or rechargers, and I only needed lvl 3 for PG & CPU mods.
What happens? My shield tanking gets nerfed, regulators are now MANDATORY, 1million SP investment. CPU gets MEGA NERFED, to make up for it requires 2 CPU levels, a 1.6mil SP investment, CPU modules now MANDATORY EVERY FIT.
All in all the caldari logi gets nerfed and thrown into the ground to make it the worst logi suit, ruining my entire SP path based off this suit.
What do I get? A 1 week warning and a slap to the face for buying boosters. Because hey no respecs, even though we completely nerfed your entire SP path.

I'm sorry but don't think our player choices matter whatsoever at all with the constant nerfs you throw at everything, while not providing the fundamental aspecs of an RPG, such as respecs. All the while telling us about these nerfs completely out of the blue, 1 week before, and our feedback not mattering AT ALL.

This week?

Fine, I'll go back to killing the anti-EoN coalition.

I hope we get a hybrid sidearm in it.

(Players are EXCEPTIONALLY good at predicting how players will react to a change. And we don't need to play them to spot the problems a lot of the time. It's the fact you won't accept feedback until we've already been dumped with whatever new bad idea has come out that's what everyone's ticked off about.)

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

You know I hate to say this, but had they made this a PC game, I honestly believe the health of the game would be much better. Well it would spend more time in the devs hands and with faster iteration.
Less time going through Sony's QA dept.
Instead were stuck with this underpowered laggy ass, low FPS piece of faecal matter called a Playstation 3.

Its funny, if you want to play half decent in a PC match - the current 'word on the street' so to speak is to lower the texture and other settings to low, hell some people have even been experimenting with the PS settings in the options menu, turning down resolution, changing graphical settings etc.

Really? We have to turn DOWN the graphics settings to make the game run smooth? This is why the PS is a POS.

To be honest I DONT blame CCP for this as they cant make the ps3 suddenly more powerful. However they did chose the console route so yea.....

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

People are still trolling the NASA space program.

while I can understand your frustration with the community this post is slightly confrontational and unproductive...

enough of us already do what you request and you all really don't listen... want an example?

the academy, reducing it to 400 wp and then raising it to 1500... of all the threads/ feedback that specified issues with NPE what were you guys thinking pulling this hair brained move?

how many threads for how long have you all read about the specifics of vehicle issues? yet you push back real fixes to 1.5 when something should have been done a long time ago...

and these stupid "events" you all make... how much feedback do you need on those before you make them meaningful?

the truth is for months, and some of us (not me) for YEARS have been giving you viable feedback and you all just spit in our faces repeatedly and this snarky little post of yours just proves what contempt you all seem to have for your customer base.

screw your head on right... you guys are gifted and have a great product but you need to tone the ego down...

the truth is you guys may know a lot but I can bet your player base plays this game A LOT more than you do on the tranq server and you would do well to heed our theory crafting cause it might save you months of re working your game... or did the release of uprising teach you nothing?

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

I am just absolutely speechless at the arrogance and ignorance of cmdr wang.... CCP are you all this misguided and bull headed?

"akin to putting a man on the moon"

really? your a GAME DEVELOPER... not a rocket scientist... that's just a ridiculous comparison and you should be ashamed of yourself for thinking what you guys are doing is even remotely in the same ball park...

don't forget that a lot of your player base are also college educated professionals, businessmen, teachers, COMPUTER PROGRAMERS, maybe even GAME DEVELOPERS...

not all of us, and probably not most of us are little kids, but to be honest theres a 14 year old kid in my corp who displays much more respect and composure and understanding of this game than you seem to, so I wouldn't count them all out either...

this hostile environment that you devs experience here in the forums is your creation, and with winners like wang here how could you expect anything different.

you ignore our feedback for months/years and then post things like:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

proving you all don't listen CAUSE WE DO THIS!

absolutely insulting

that's what this whole exchange with wang has been...
insulting and insightful

I have said this before and ill say it again, the only thing at this point that keeps me playing is the community in my corp...

man on the moon....the nerve....

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future?

Thank you for respone :-) I understand where ur coming from.

But nit to be a total smartarse. NASA croudsorced a few times now.

So does medicine

NASA could not ask the community back then like they can now.

As an idea why experiment in a safe area like faction warfare just as a one off test case. You can only learn by taking risks and both the playerbase and ccp could become market leaders in player develomer interaction.

At work sorry for typos getting messages in while in an jrc metting is hard lol

When we want you to? Now go back to killing clones please.

It'll be out soon enough either this week or the next at the latest.

It'll be out soon enough either this week or the next at the latest.

I think he's pointing out that not ALL of us do that, which is absolutely the case.

For every one of us that provides good feedback in the manner he stated, there are five more telling them they should all be fired and the game be scrapped.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

Ok so it is SONY's fault that the devs used an old game engine to cut costs and then try to run a high player count?

Think before posting please, if you hate the PS3 so much get rid of it!

Yes sony admitted the comsoleis hard to program due to its custom hardware, but the problems with dust come down to lots of promises that have not been delivered and then honestly the attitude of the DEV in this thread? I get it that the devs are fed up with complaints, but when the GAME is a bugged out mess because they use an OLD GAME ENGINE rather then use something upto date and thentry to pass this off as an MMORPG!

There is fault on both sides, the devs for the arrogance and failed promises (I still have some small faith in them they will fix this)

AND the other fault is the player base feeling they are getting shanked, now anyone like me that has bought a merc pack or aurum is going to feel ripped off, that is why I will NOT SPEND anymore on this game, why bother when they keep changing the goalposts and deny the respec that ppl will need because of the bad ideas being implemented.

I am less hateful as this is not the first time I have seen this happen (BF3 for example or DEFIANCE) bur they were paid for games,this is free to play with -ú/$ ements that support the game. I love my BPO and I dont see alot of the bugs that others do but I have reported stuff only to be told "Thnaks for the feedback, we cannot tell you the outcome of your ticket and are now closing it" (Seriouxly, this happened after I reported yet another case of players using the cloaking gltich and the game freezing. ANd Basically what I got reading between the lines is "Ty now go away" Not a good way to treat ppl

TL/DR version : Both the communtiy and the DEVS need to work with each other better and stop the hate on both sides where possible

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

You complain about his post being confrontational, yet the first thing you do is accuse his team of making hair brained moves and running stupid events.

See, if I was in his position this is the part where you would be ignored pretty much forever. Your manner of feedback is childish, unproductive, and frankly ill-thought out.

expecting everyone to do something is unrealistic... communicating this in such a way that dismisses all of us is insulting

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

When we want you to? Now go back to killing clones please.

It'll be out soon enough either this week or the next at the latest.

So you obviously missed the part where he thanked those of us who are still here and providing good feedback.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

We like to give feedback before things happened because sometimes all it takes is text to a veteran player to figure out if something is wrong. Want examples? Everyone knew the flaylock was OP before it came out because we saw the amount of damage it did in the trailer. Everyone knew the caldari logi was hit hit with a nerf bat instead of a balance because we saw in the patch notes that its CPU was sliced by a whopping 40 base cpu in addition to 90 less shield, and longer shield recharge times.

And you say the patch notes are there for preparation? In a 1 week timeframe with how we gain 190k SP in a week, have no respecs, and are completely subjugated to your decision making process of nerfing and buffing every single thing in the game, HOW are we supposed to use a week, with patch notes, to make ANY meaningful preparations.

Heres an example: I specced into caldari logi, my entire SP path of 18 million SP was based around using the exact stats of the caldari logi, I figured I'd stack shield extenders and use low slots to fit CPU & PG mods to equip proto equipment.
Doing so meant I'd never need shield regulators or rechargers, and I only needed lvl 3 for PG & CPU mods.
What happens? My shield tanking gets nerfed, regulators are now MANDATORY, 1million SP investment. CPU gets MEGA NERFED, to make up for it requires 2 CPU levels, a 1.6mil SP investment, CPU modules now MANDATORY EVERY FIT.
All in all the caldari logi gets nerfed and thrown into the ground to make it the worst logi suit, ruining my entire SP path based off this suit.
What do I get? A 1 week warning and a slap to the face for buying boosters. Because hey no respecs, even though we completely nerfed your entire SP path.

I'm sorry but don't think our player choices matter whatsoever at all with the constant nerfs you throw at everything, while not providing the fundamental aspecs of an RPG, such as respecs. All the while telling us about these nerfs completely out of the blue, 1 week before, and our feedback not mattering AT ALL.

I'm a little disturbed that you feel that way as a game developer. That type of arrogance is akin to what is rampant in Jagex. What is probably the most frustrating thing about your posts is that you still don't realize why people want patch notes earlier on. It's because there is next to no communication with the development teams at CCP Shanghai. The patch notes are pretty much the only thing we see about what is coming up in the next patch.

CCP Wolfman has been one of the only developers to break that mold and to actually discuss upcoming changes with the community. His discussions concerning the Vehicles changes coming in 1.5 have been a very welcome change and I hope that he continues to discuss his work with us and take our ideas. Instead, you get your ass up on your shoulders and get defensive when people WANT TO PARTICIPATE in the development of a game they want to see succeed. For some reason you find it only necessary to take feedback AFTER something has been released, which has proven time and time again to be a very ineffective style of development.

If you work with the community, the community receives any changes far better. However, you still have no transparency in your work, you strangle CPM with that damned NDA, and then expect the community to shut up and deal with it until after it's released.

You ask for less hate and more constructive feedback... I don't hate the development or the development team, I hate the development style. I've dealt with enough Jagex's to last a ******* lifetime. There aren't enough RIOT Games in the world. I am hating that the CCP team working on Dust 514 is acting more like Jagex, when it should be more like RIOT.

Bravo. Bravo.

On that note... have you seen the thread on the HMG reticule issue? is something about tat being done in 1.4 or 1.5?

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

I'm a little disturbed that you feel that way as a game developer. That type of arrogance is akin to what is rampant in Jagex. What is probably the most frustrating thing about your posts is that you still don't realize why people want patch notes earlier on. It's because there is next to no communication with the development teams at CCP Shanghai. The patch notes are pretty much the only thing we see about what is coming up in the next patch.

CCP Wolfman has been one of the only developers to break that mold and to actually discuss upcoming changes with the community. His discussions concerning the Vehicles changes coming in 1.5 have been a very welcome change and I hope that he continues to discuss his work with us and take our ideas. Instead, you get your ass up on your shoulders and get defensive when people WANT TO PARTICIPATE in the development of a game they want to see succeed. For some reason you find it only necessary to take feedback AFTER something has been released, which has proven time and time again to be a very ineffective style of development.

If you work with the community, the community receives any changes far better. However, you still have no transparency in your work, you strangle CPM with that damned NDA, and then expect the community to shut up and deal with it until after it's released.

You ask for less hate and more constructive feedback... I don't hate the development or the development team, I hate the development style. I've dealt with enough Jagex's to last a ******* lifetime. There aren't enough RIOT Games in the world. I am hating that the CCP team working on Dust 514 is acting more like Jagex, when it should be more like RIOT.

EVE online did not have this issue during release

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/
2003 over 100 dev blogs, read some of them
dust dev blogs last year, 14

And eve online was a 10 man team back then soo....

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

Sometimes the changes yall make look pretty bad on paper and usually translate into something very stupid ingame. example would be the core flaylock. a lot of hassle could have been avoided if yall showed us the stats before you released that super OP weapon. We all know that took nearly 2 months to fix. Honestly, did yall look at that weapon and go "Oh yes this weapon seems balanced"? even though it had the most dps out of every weapon, less pg and cpu to use, more splash damage and radius than a proto missile launcher or mass driver, and above all it was a sidearm.


You're real close to being called "BLAM 2"

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

I don't understand this attitude. This really seems like the opposite direction from the progress trying be made from the CPM's open letter to the meeting between CCP and the CPM had to discuss communication. It seems to go back on some of the things CCP ensured they were going to make progress on.

I'm not really sure what to take away from this.

I think you missed the entire point I was trying to convey. Early patch notes are just the part of what the community wants. So I will sum it up in words that sound less sarcastic than my original post:

We want regular and frequent communication from the developers on what is going on behind the scenes. If you are your staff are unable to do this then hire someone for the sole purpose of doing this. If you cannot or are unwilling to do that then why are you even in the business of making a video game? If you cannot communicate with your customers then you have no chance of keeping an already extremely frustrated player base playing your game long term.

And no the dev blog doesn't count. It is updated infrequently and does not contain all the information we as a community want and/or need. I'm sure there is more that could be said on this topic. Perhaps someone else would care to expand on the subject. I'm currently on my lunch break so I do not have the time to create a massive post pointing out what the developers are obviously lacking.

Think of the developer & customer relationship as being like a marriage. What is the key to any good lasting marriage? Communication!

I don't understand this attitude. This really seems like the opposite direction from the progress trying be made from the CPM's open letter to the meeting between CCP and the CPM had to discuss communication. It seems to go back on some of the things CCP ensured they were going to make progress on.

I'm not really sure what to take away from this.

Well, I agree but sometimes people forget that this is something really new, a MMO on a console that is working towards a full connection with another MMO on a different platform. So this is something akin to getting a man on the moon, and there were problems along the way there. Did people troll the NASA space program when things didn't go according to plan? Or did they get back on the horse and help provide solutions?

We do listen to player feedback and some of them do make it into the game. It would be a lie to say that is not so. I know that it's taken longer than most of you on the forums would like, but it does take time to workout a solution when one is trodding down a path never traveled. A few of you on the forums have been with us all this time, so I am just asking you guys to keep on providing helpful feedback and a little less hate. Hope that's not too much to ask.

I don't understand this attitude. This really seems like the opposite direction from the progress trying be made from the CPM's open letter to the meeting between CCP and the CPM had to discuss communication. It seems to go back on some of the things CCP ensured they were going to make progress on.

I'm not really sure what to take away from this.

Well, I agree but sometimes people forget that this is something really new, a MMO on a console that is working towards a full connection with another MMO on a different platform. So this is something akin to getting a man on the moon, and there were problems along the way there. Did people troll the NASA space program when things didn't go according to plan? Or did they get back on the horse and help provide solutions?

We do listen to player feedback and some of them do make it into the game. It would be a lie to say that is not so. I know that it's taken longer than most of you on the forums would like, but it does take time to workout a solution when one is trodding down a path never traveled. A few of you on the forums have been with us all this time, so I am just asking you guys to keep on providing helpful feedback and a little less hate. Hope that's not too much to ask.

They did hire two people for the purpose of communicating with the community. Their names are LogiBro and Mintchip! Yet we are still in the same place we've been all along. Little to no communication followed by troll comments from the DEV team. These toxic forums are a product of CCP's unwillingness to communicate properly and frequently. The community has done exactly what Commander Wang asked us to and we still get ignored. Just some simple acknowledgment on some of these well thought topics would go along to get some community good will.

I don't understand this attitude. This really seems like the opposite direction from the progress trying be made from the CPM's open letter to the meeting between CCP and the CPM had to discuss communication. It seems to go back on some of the things CCP ensured they were going to make progress on.

I'm not really sure what to take away from this.

I think the message to take away from this is that CCP doesn't really care about our feedback. But if its perfectly formatted with lots of information, they will 'give it a glance'.

CCP Shanghai DGAF.

I honestly wonder if its time CCP pulls an FF14. Fires the old developers, and hires a new team to keep the game from running into the ground.

This game is just a tragic train wreck anymore. I'm only here because of my corp but once some of the upcoming games drop and my friends start leaving I can't see myself staying for much longer.

Dude, take away from this that you're nothing very important to the project, you're just here to liaise with the "complainers" and pass on anything that's useful, no-one here has a better idea of how to get down and dirty in the code and actually help with the game, that's something that the developers can look at from their stats and results, everyone here really over-estimate the value of their input!
They just need to fix the code and balance the game day by day, month by month and to be honest, they'll do a great job of that without our input/interference, they're not dummies! Most of the people on this forum, however, are just that.

For the love of God, why are the idiots talking to the dev in such a manner that prevents this game from getting to heights that CCP is trying to achieve??

It's like going to McDonald's and starting an argument with the guy cooking your burgers.

It doesn't make sense. The dev asked us to give constructive feedback and TO WORK WITH THEM!! Is that really too much to ask if you want to help make this game good? Or are you too busy being a grandmother and nagging about everything?

The community has been trying to work with them, Michael Arck. However it's kind of hard to do with CCP withholding information and ignoring constructive feedback while giving all sorts of attention to troll threads.

And yes, if the guy cooking my burgers at McDonald's continuously fcked up my burger I would start an argument with him.

Withholding information? Just who the heck are you?

I just see a bunch of idiots talking who are the majority. Who will eventually leave and go hop on another game and do the same thing like some ***** who tries to find love through sex.

CCP told you dummies this was a 10 year plan. You dummies should realize that this is a huge undertaking of merging worlds.

But this is the thing...just ******* leave already. Really. Go. If you're not getting what you want here...find the ******* door and excuse yourselves.

You fucks slow down the developmental process. I mean, if I was a developer, I wouldn't want to better **** with you guys talking all your threatening ****.

This kind of thing takes time...but like I said, you can tell who had mommy and daddy who wiped poop off their butts well into their teens.

Go find another game to play stupid. There's people who understand and willing to tough it out. Get lost

The community has been trying to work with them, Michael Arck. However it's kind of hard to do with CCP withholding information and ignoring constructive feedback while giving all sorts of attention to troll threads.

And yes, if the guy cooking my burgers at McDonald's continuously fcked up my burger I would start an argument with him.

So we're supposed to believe you're a developer of some computer program somewhere. Yet you've somehow managed to fail any and every English class you've ever taken? Considering that gigantic run on sentence I'm inclined to call bullspit here.

Belt doesn't go around the neck anyway. Use it correctly.

Yes, come back on May 14th 2023 when Dust will finally be worth playing. A PlayStation V exclusive.


Fanboi yesmen ruined this game.

Well they did say its a 10 year plan...you idiot. No, self righteous critics who think because they played other FPS titles that deems them experts and they have the right to talk to people any kind of way...they are ruining the game

Not only are they ruining the game, they also ruining the interface between community and dev. Especially when it comes to folks who have genuine feedback and understand this developmental process isn't going to be an easy and quick one.

You're just another idiot that needs to go.

People are having plenty fun in Dust and happy to grow with it. If you one of those girls who only show up when the money comes in, so be it. Leave, ahora.

Because we have been providing constructive feedback for over a year and with each pass CCP does the exact opposite.

Also, when we have patchnotes/devblog, we can see some stuff will be OP (Clogi, Flaylock) and be able to provide some input ahead of time, instead of it being delivered broken and going unfixed for 3 months.

Hey you managed to not swear left and right this time. Too bad you still can't make a point with out personal attacks. If you can't manage that few are going to take you seriously.

I don't recall anyone predicting that the flaylock pistol or Calogi would be OP the days before their patches were released or within a few days after. I highly doubt that you or anyone else here posesses the ability to accurately make predictions that rival CCP's own brainstorming and internal testing. I can guarantee you that any debate or discussion people may have about an upcoming change was already discussed and debated between the developers before being confirmed for the update. The only way one can know for sure the effect a particular change is to see it in action throughout the Dust playerbase.

I don't recall anyone predicting that the flaylock pistol or Calogi would be OP the days before their patches were released or within a few days after.

I don't recall anyone predicting that the flaylock pistol or Calogi would be OP the days before their patches were released or within a few days after. I highly doubt that you or anyone else here posesses the ability to accurately make predictions that rival CCP's own brainstorming and internal testing. I can guarantee you that any debate or discussion people may have about an upcoming change was already discussed and debated between the developers before being confirmed for the update. The only way one can know for sure the effect a particular change is to see it in action throughout the Dust playerbase.

Then you weren't paying attention.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

Yeah, we're going to be bringing the race bonus down onto the basic suits. It's one of a few adjustments to the dropsuit progression we'll be outlining in the next few days. Some adjustments we'll be making very shortly, but others will be a fair bit later.

Well they did say its a 10 year plan...you idiot. No, self righteous critics who think because they played other FPS titles that deems them experts and they have the right to talk to people any kind of way...they are ruining the game

Not only are they ruining the game, they also ruining the interface between community and dev. Especially when it comes to folks who have genuine feedback and understand this developmental process isn't going to be an easy and quick one.

You're just another idiot that needs to go.

People are having plenty fun in Dust and happy to grow with it. If you one of those girls who only show up when the money comes in, so be it. Leave, ahora.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

I don't recall anyone predicting that the flaylock pistol or Calogi would be OP the days before their patches were released or within a few days after. I highly doubt that you or anyone else here posesses the ability to accurately make predictions that rival CCP's own brainstorming and internal testing. I can guarantee you that any debate or discussion people may have about an upcoming change was already discussed and debated between the developers before being confirmed for the update. The only way one can know for sure the effect a particular change is to see it in action throughout the Dust playerbase.

Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future?

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

They did hire two people for the purpose of communicating with the community. Their names are LogiBro and Mintchip! Yet we are still in the same place we've been all along. Little to no communication followed by troll comments from the DEV team. These toxic forums are a product of CCP's unwillingness to communicate properly and frequently. The community has done exactly what Commander Wang asked us to and we still get ignored. Just some simple acknowledgment on some of these well thought topics would go along to get some community good will.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

The 10 year plan was not for the game to finally reach feature complete state, but rather it was supposed to be DONE and for all intent and purposes in no need of further development within 2 years. The 10 year plan is for EXPANSIONS and EXTRA CONTENT, not the basics of gameplay balance, content completion, and game mechanics. 10 years is an excuse. EVE was ready within a year of beta and everything else on their 10 year plan has been extra.

Don't even attempt to use the 10 year development plan as an excuse because the fact is its a horrible excuse than any halfwit sees through. Games dont take 10 years to reach a basic and fully implemented state.

You can focus all you want on the good parts or try to apply some elbow grease and rub out the imperfections. One will result in blissful denial and the other in a good product.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

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