Well they did say its a 10 year plan...you idiot. No, self righteous critics who think because they played other FPS titles that deems them experts and they have the right to talk to people any kind of way...they are ruining the game

Not only are they ruining the game, they also ruining the interface between community and dev. Especially when it comes to folks who have genuine feedback and understand this developmental process isn't going to be an easy and quick one.

You're just another idiot that needs to go.

People are having plenty fun in Dust and happy to grow with it. If you one of those girls who only show up when the money comes in, so be it. Leave, ahora.

Because we have been providing constructive feedback for over a year and with each pass CCP does the exact opposite.

Also, when we have patchnotes/devblog, we can see some stuff will be OP (Clogi, Flaylock) and be able to provide some input ahead of time, instead of it being delivered broken and going unfixed for 3 months.

Hey you managed to not swear left and right this time. Too bad you still can't make a point with out personal attacks. If you can't manage that few are going to take you seriously.

I don't recall anyone predicting that the flaylock pistol or Calogi would be OP the days before their patches were released or within a few days after. I highly doubt that you or anyone else here posesses the ability to accurately make predictions that rival CCP's own brainstorming and internal testing. I can guarantee you that any debate or discussion people may have about an upcoming change was already discussed and debated between the developers before being confirmed for the update. The only way one can know for sure the effect a particular change is to see it in action throughout the Dust playerbase.

I don't recall anyone predicting that the flaylock pistol or Calogi would be OP the days before their patches were released or within a few days after.

I don't recall anyone predicting that the flaylock pistol or Calogi would be OP the days before their patches were released or within a few days after. I highly doubt that you or anyone else here posesses the ability to accurately make predictions that rival CCP's own brainstorming and internal testing. I can guarantee you that any debate or discussion people may have about an upcoming change was already discussed and debated between the developers before being confirmed for the update. The only way one can know for sure the effect a particular change is to see it in action throughout the Dust playerbase.

Then you weren't paying attention.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

Yeah, we're going to be bringing the race bonus down onto the basic suits. It's one of a few adjustments to the dropsuit progression we'll be outlining in the next few days. Some adjustments we'll be making very shortly, but others will be a fair bit later.

Well they did say its a 10 year plan...you idiot. No, self righteous critics who think because they played other FPS titles that deems them experts and they have the right to talk to people any kind of way...they are ruining the game

Not only are they ruining the game, they also ruining the interface between community and dev. Especially when it comes to folks who have genuine feedback and understand this developmental process isn't going to be an easy and quick one.

You're just another idiot that needs to go.

People are having plenty fun in Dust and happy to grow with it. If you one of those girls who only show up when the money comes in, so be it. Leave, ahora.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

I don't recall anyone predicting that the flaylock pistol or Calogi would be OP the days before their patches were released or within a few days after. I highly doubt that you or anyone else here posesses the ability to accurately make predictions that rival CCP's own brainstorming and internal testing. I can guarantee you that any debate or discussion people may have about an upcoming change was already discussed and debated between the developers before being confirmed for the update. The only way one can know for sure the effect a particular change is to see it in action throughout the Dust playerbase.

Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future?

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

They did hire two people for the purpose of communicating with the community. Their names are LogiBro and Mintchip! Yet we are still in the same place we've been all along. Little to no communication followed by troll comments from the DEV team. These toxic forums are a product of CCP's unwillingness to communicate properly and frequently. The community has done exactly what Commander Wang asked us to and we still get ignored. Just some simple acknowledgment on some of these well thought topics would go along to get some community good will.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

The 10 year plan was not for the game to finally reach feature complete state, but rather it was supposed to be DONE and for all intent and purposes in no need of further development within 2 years. The 10 year plan is for EXPANSIONS and EXTRA CONTENT, not the basics of gameplay balance, content completion, and game mechanics. 10 years is an excuse. EVE was ready within a year of beta and everything else on their 10 year plan has been extra.

Don't even attempt to use the 10 year development plan as an excuse because the fact is its a horrible excuse than any halfwit sees through. Games dont take 10 years to reach a basic and fully implemented state.

You can focus all you want on the good parts or try to apply some elbow grease and rub out the imperfections. One will result in blissful denial and the other in a good product.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

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I think you missed the entire point I was trying to convey. Early patch notes are just the part of what the community wants. So I will sum it up in words that sound less sarcastic than my original post:

We want regular and frequent communication from the developers on what is going on behind the scenes. If you are your staff are unable to do this then hire someone for the sole purpose of doing this. If you cannot or are unwilling to do that then why are you even in the business of making a video game? If you cannot communicate with your customers then you have no chance of keeping an already extremely frustrated player base playing your game long term.

And no the dev blog doesn't count. It is updated infrequently and does not contain all the information we as a community want and/or need. I'm sure there is more that could be said on this topic. Perhaps someone else would care to expand on the subject. I'm currently on my lunch break so I do not have the time to create a massive post pointing out what the developers are obviously lacking.

Think of the developer & customer relationship as being like a marriage. What is the key to any good lasting marriage? Communication!

Heyyyyyyyyyyyyy! Isn't that Soxy on guitar?

Now I think most of us have lost sight of what this thread was about in the first place, and that is when will 1.4 patch notes come out? The answer is tomorrow around DT.

This is your problem right here CCP, everyone at CCP working on DUST514 needs to read this post from Wang, and if you find yourself stuck in this mentality you need to immediately banish it from your mind FOREVER. You guys have far too many ideas in your head at the same time, pulling you in so many different directions that you don't even know what areas of this very broken game need to be focused on.

How you can possibly think about "getting a man on the moon" when you still have yet to invent an airplane that can get off the ground?

What you should have done since day one, and what you must do now, is focus ALL of your attention on building an FPS that actually functions. You have to make sure your foundation is set, and set so solidly that you'll never need to change it or think about it again. You should not need to reinvent the way propeller planes fly when you are building your spaceship.

Even if it's just starting with a 1v1 fight and making sure every aspect of that is solid and then moving forward, that is the approach you must take. Once you lock down flawless mechanics for an individual's aiming, hit-detection, movement, weapon balance, and FUN (you still fail to include fun) then you can move forward.

For instance, why are you adding new weapons when the ones that currently exist are not balanced and do not function properly? What do you think will happen when you add more weapons onto an already horribly unbalanced system? You waste so much time introducing new weapons and then trying to balance them- but you're trying to balance them on a completely unbalanced foundation.

How can you expect to build towards to moon when the foundation is constantly changing? You have just spent the last few updates and many months trying to balance out the Mass Driver and Flaylocks, among others, but what is going to happen to that 'balance' when the underlying mechanics are completely overhauled?

At this point I would say that your only real path forward is to just shut it down, for a year, 6 months, or however much time it takes you to build a solid, stable, unchanging foundation of proper FPS mechanics. Then when you go to add all of these cool amazing ideas you have you will not be held back from reaching the moon because you forgot to install the fuel tanks.

1. Is it going to include the test maps so we can practice flying and scrimmage against our own corp members?

The new test map will be a 5x5 meter whiteroom. You will test weapons there.

2. Is the MD going to be nerfed? Or the Forge gun?

No, both will be buffed solely to annoy you.

3. Are scouts being buffed?

Scouts will be filled with 30% more tasty meat.

4. Will there be more maps, or the ability to choose the maps we want to go to?

There will be more maps, however, you are annoying and will be stuck in Line Harvest for eternity.

5. The AR is great, but can the GEK get nerfed, or at least dumbed down a bit?

No. Because the AR nerf threads are stupid.

6. Zooming sniper scopes?

No. We are replacing the sniper scope with the Forge Gun reticle. Happy Hunting.

7. Removal or extension of SP cap?

SP cap is now 300 SP/day unless you are a goon and thus in charge of CCP. If you are a goon the SP cap is unlimited.

8. Dropships playing a bigger part in the game, pilots getting forward firing guns so they can kill too?

You are aware of the assault dropship, yes? Of note, however, as dropships are felt to be in the wrong place we have replaced their tritanium alloy hulls with paper mache and amarr prayers. This should reflect the durability intended for the vehicles.

Well, I agree but sometimes people forget that this is something really new, a MMO on a console that is working towards a full connection with another MMO on a different platform. So this is something akin to getting a man on the moon, and there were problems along the way there. Did people troll the NASA space program when things didn't go according to plan? Or did they get back on the horse and help provide solutions?

We do listen to player feedback and some of them do make it into the game. It would be a lie to say that is not so. I know that it's taken longer than most of you on the forums would like, but it does take time to workout a solution when one is trodding down a path never traveled. A few of you on the forums have been with us all this time, so I am just asking you guys to keep on providing helpful feedback and a little less hate. Hope that's not too much to ask.

When we want you to? Now go back to killing clones please.

It'll be out soon enough either this week or the next at the latest.

What I was trying to say in the earlier post was that patch notes are not the ideal tool for spotting problems. In the current process, at the stage when patch notes are finalized, there's limited time to iterate before the changes are in-game. And the community can help by working together with positive posts. When it comes to giving helpful feedback, Mavado is a good example. He gives focused topics that contain details which support his arguments.

We make every attempt we can to listen and apply feedback where time and resources allow, but this is not always possible as much as we'd like. While we are taking steps with the CPM to better improve our feedback process, the rest of the playerbase can help us out in the meantime. The amount of hostility on the forums make them a very unwelcoming place for those who'd strive to post positive feedback, and the amount of hostile threads can easily clog up the forums and make our job much more difficult when scouring for the feedback that the dev teams need to see. So, to this end... while we try to improve our end of the process, we're asking for a little help from the players on their end as well

Ultimately, the goal is to setup a method that will allow enough time to tell the CPM what is planned for the next release and get their feedback (which will include voices from the community) in time to allow a response from the devs, and changes that are possible based on your feedback. So what we want to have is "better" and more "effective" communication that can then be centralized and shared with everyone.

When it comes to in-game events, we are also making a list of features that will support the type of events that many of you have been asking for. It'll take development time to make them but once it's done we will be able to add more variety in terms of conditions for the event and flexibility of rewards to make events more enjoyable.

Now I think most of us have lost sight of what this thread was about in the first place, and that is when will 1.4 patch notes come out? The answer is tomorrow around DT.