DUST Search - When can we see some 1.4 patch notes?

Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:

CCP Cmdr Wang wrote:

BARDAS wrote:

What are these patch notes that people speak of? Do you by chance mean the arcane scribble that magically appears 24 hours before a change takes place thus preventing any meaningful feedback from the community which could potentially prevent problems before they occur? If so yeah I may have heard about those once a while back. Its a shame we don't see them sooner for the aforementioned reason.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

Kind and Honorable Sir Philip Wang.

I saw where the notes included a 60% resist for Charbydis so in my humble estimation sometimes it may be best to get notes ahead of time to notice errors in balance before a build drops.

Thank you.

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Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1221	Posted - 2013.08.21 07:39:00 - [1] - Quote This week?

CCP Cmdr Wang C C P C C P Alliance 2100	Posted - 2013.08.21 07:45:00 - [2] - Quote When we want you to? Now go back to killing clones please. It'll be out soon enough either this week or the next at the latest.

Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1221	Posted - 2013.08.21 07:51:00 - [3] - Quote Fine, I'll go back to killing the anti-EoN coalition. I hope we get a hybrid sidearm in it.
broonfondle majikthies P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 177	Posted - 2013.08.21 07:53:00 - [4] - Quote CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: When we want you to? Now go back to killing clones please. It'll be out soon enough either this week or the next at the latest. All Hail Cmdr Wang! Wielder of the Unicorn
excillon united we stand x 28	Posted - 2013.08.21 07:53:00 - [5] - Quote 1. Is it going to include the test maps so we can practice flying and scrimmage against our own corp members? 2. Is the MD going to be nerfed? Or the Forge gun? 3. Are scouts being buffed? 4. Will there be more maps, or the ability to choose the maps we want to go to? 5. The AR is great, but can the GEK get nerfed, or at least dumbed down a bit? 6. Zooming sniper scopes? 7. Removal or extension of SP cap? 8. Dropships playing a bigger part in the game, pilots getting forward firing guns so they can kill too? And lastly, can we ban prototypes in public matches so casual/new users actually have a remote chance? A guy with a maxed out AR is still pretty deadly without his proto, or his shields maxed with a standard suit.
DRDEEZE TWO POINTO LEGIONCOMBATCREW 106	Posted - 2013.08.21 07:54:00 - [6] - Quote Can I pet the unicorn now.
Levithunder Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 30	Posted - 2013.08.21 07:54:00 - [7] - Quote CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: When we want you to? Now go back to killing clones please. It'll be out soon enough either this week or the next at the latest. Soooooooooooooooooooooon TM LOOOL
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Top Men. 1178	Posted - 2013.08.21 08:00:00 - [8] - Quote 1. Is it going to include the test maps so we can practice flying and scrimmage against our own corp members? The new test map will be a 5x5 meter whiteroom. You will test weapons there. 2. Is the MD going to be nerfed? Or the Forge gun? No, both will be buffed solely to annoy you. 3. Are scouts being buffed? Scouts will be filled with 30% more tasty meat. 4. Will there be more maps, or the ability to choose the maps we want to go to? There will be more maps, however, you are annoying and will be stuck in Line Harvest for eternity. 5. The AR is great, but can the GEK get nerfed, or at least dumbed down a bit? No. Because the AR nerf threads are stupid. 6. Zooming sniper scopes? No. We are replacing the sniper scope with the Forge Gun reticle. Happy Hunting. 7. Removal or extension of SP cap? SP cap is now 300 SP/day unless you are a goon and thus in charge of CCP. If you are a goon the SP cap is unlimited. 8. Dropships playing a bigger part in the game, pilots getting forward firing guns so they can kill too? You are aware of the assault dropship, yes? Of note, however, as dropships are felt to be in the wrong place we have replaced their tritanium alloy hulls with paper mache and amarr prayers. This should reflect the durability intended for the vehicles.
0bi wan-jacobi Ancient Exi1es 9	Posted - 2013.08.21 08:03:00 - [9] - Quote CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: When we want you to? Now go back to killing clones please. It'll be out soon enough either this week or the next at the latest. Wow this better be good. Or your going to get hated on like never before. People dont like being told to wait. Not when a games in this state. I have my hope, don't let me down i still have faith (very very very very very small but hey lol).
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 895	Posted - 2013.08.21 08:05:00 - [10] - Quote 0bi wan-jacobi wrote: CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: When we want you to? Now go back to killing clones please. It'll be out soon enough either this week or the next at the latest. Wow this better be good. Or your going to get hated on like never before. People dont like being told to wait. Not when a games in this state. I have my hope, don't let me down i still have faith (very very very very very small but hey lol). he actually gave a time when he asked.....im pretty sure the dev is being pretty awesome here....and trying to be funny. loosen your belt a little and chill

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Top Men. 1178	Posted - 2013.08.21 08:09:00 - [11] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: loosen your belt a little and chill Belt doesn't go around the neck anyway. Use it correctly.
0bi wan-jacobi Ancient Exi1es 9	Posted - 2013.08.21 08:10:00 - [12] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: 0bi wan-jacobi wrote: CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: When we want you to? Now go back to killing clones please. It'll be out soon enough either this week or the next at the latest. Wow this better be good. Or your going to get hated on like never before. People dont like being told to wait. Not when a games in this state. I have my hope, don't let me down i still have faith (very very very very very small but hey lol). he actually gave a time when he asked.....im pretty sure the dev is being pretty awesome here....and trying to be funny. loosen your belt a little and chill I dont think its fair to say that when there are people who have dropped over a hundred dollars on this game. Dont get me wrong im on the ccp fanboy side (right now). Im just saying that other sides is ready to go berserk if this isnt amazing .
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 276	Posted - 2013.08.21 08:11:00 - [13] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: 6. Zooming sniper scopes? No. We are replacing the sniper scope with the Forge Gun reticle. Happy Hunting. Don't forget the Charged Sniper Rifle is getting weapon shake that triggers the sniper rifle sway.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1222	Posted - 2013.08.21 08:13:00 - [14] - Quote Yeah it's safe to say that I've dropped +$100 on this game.
Spaceman-Rob Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 153	Posted - 2013.08.21 08:16:00 - [15] - Quote CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: When we want you to? Now go back to killing clones please. It'll be out soon enough either this week or the next at the latest. This week! So tomorrow or Fri then? Excellent can't wait.
BARDAS DUST University Ivy League 326	Posted - 2013.08.21 08:29:00 - [16] - Quote What are these patch notes that people speak of? Do you by chance mean the arcane scribble that magically appears 24 hours before a change takes place thus preventing any meaningful feedback from the community which could potentially prevent problems before they occur? If so yeah I may have heard about those once a while back. Its a shame we don't see them sooner for the aforementioned reason.
Aqil Aegivan The Southern Legion 180	Posted - 2013.08.21 08:50:00 - [17] - Quote BARDAS wrote: What are these patch notes that people speak of? Do you by chance mean the arcane scribble that magically appears 24 hours before a change takes place thus preventing any meaningful feedback from the community which could potentially prevent problems before they occur? If so yeah I may have heard about those once a while back. Its a shame we don't see them sooner for the aforementioned reason. Shhh, CCP hates it, hates it, when the community has any input. That's why the CPM was recently fobbed off with zero commitments from CCP to improve communication. It's also why no element of the upcoming community event (also known as the "Wang's middle finger" event) was discussed with the community. Of course everyone immediately saw how beyond pointless it was but they got told to STFU by Wang. They could deliver patch notes in a timely fashion but having us point out ahead of time that all they've delivered is poorly thought out garbage gives them a rash.

CCP Cmdr Wang C C P C C P Alliance 2108	Posted - 2013.08.21 08:57:00 - [18] - Quote BARDAS wrote: What are these patch notes that people speak of? Do you by chance mean the arcane scribble that magically appears 24 hours before a change takes place thus preventing any meaningful feedback from the community which could potentially prevent problems before they occur? If so yeah I may have heard about those once a while back. Its a shame we don't see them sooner for the aforementioned reason. How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will: 1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this. 2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered. The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

excillon united we stand x 29	Posted - 2013.08.21 08:58:00 - [19] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: 1. Is it going to include the test maps so we can practice flying and scrimmage against our own corp members? The new test map will be a 5x5 meter whiteroom. You will test weapons there. 2. Is the MD going to be nerfed? Or the Forge gun? No, both will be buffed solely to annoy you. 3. Are scouts being buffed? Scouts will be filled with 30% more tasty meat. 4. Will there be more maps, or the ability to choose the maps we want to go to? There will be more maps, however, you are annoying and will be stuck in Line Harvest for eternity. 5. The AR is great, but can the GEK get nerfed, or at least dumbed down a bit? No. Because the AR nerf threads are stupid. 6. Zooming sniper scopes? No. We are replacing the sniper scope with the Forge Gun reticle. Happy Hunting. 7. Removal or extension of SP cap? SP cap is now 300 SP/day unless you are a goon and thus in charge of CCP. If you are a goon the SP cap is unlimited. 8. Dropships playing a bigger part in the game, pilots getting forward firing guns so they can kill too? You are aware of the assault dropship, yes? Of note, however, as dropships are felt to be in the wrong place we have replaced their tritanium alloy hulls with paper mache and amarr prayers. This should reflect the durability intended for the vehicles. LOL...nice to know where I stand.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. 690	Posted - 2013.08.21 09:12:00 - [20] - Quote CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: BARDAS wrote: What are these patch notes that people speak of? Do you by chance mean the arcane scribble that magically appears 24 hours before a change takes place thus preventing any meaningful feedback from the community which could potentially prevent problems before they occur? If so yeah I may have heard about those once a while back. Its a shame we don't see them sooner for the aforementioned reason. How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will: 1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this. 2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered. The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it. Kind and Honorable Sir Philip Wang. I saw where the notes included a 60% resist for Charbydis so in my humble estimation sometimes it may be best to get notes ahead of time to notice errors in balance before a build drops. Thank you.

Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 553	Posted - 2013.08.21 09:13:00 - [21] - Quote CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: BARDAS wrote: What are these patch notes that people speak of? Do you by chance mean the arcane scribble that magically appears 24 hours before a change takes place thus preventing any meaningful feedback from the community which could potentially prevent problems before they occur? If so yeah I may have heard about those once a while back. Its a shame we don't see them sooner for the aforementioned reason. How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will: 1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this. 2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered. The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it. while I can understand your frustration with the community this post is slightly confrontational and unproductive... enough of us already do what you request and you all really don't listen... want an example? the academy, reducing it to 400 wp and then raising it to 1500... of all the threads/ feedback that specified issues with NPE what were you guys thinking pulling this hair brained move? how many threads for how long have you all read about the specifics of vehicle issues? yet you push back real fixes to 1.5 when something should have been done a long time ago... and these stupid "events" you all make... how much feedback do you need on those before you make them meaningful? the truth is for months, and some of us (not me) for YEARS have been giving you viable feedback and you all just spit in our faces repeatedly and this snarky little post of yours just proves what contempt you all seem to have for your customer base. screw your head on right... you guys are gifted and have a great product but you need to tone the ego down... the truth is you guys may know a lot but I can bet your player base plays this game A LOT more than you do on the tranq server and you would do well to heed our theory crafting cause it might save you months of re working your game... or did the release of uprising teach you nothing?
Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 209	Posted - 2013.08.21 09:15:00 - [22] - Quote CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will: 1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this. 2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered. The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it. Specific Issue: Non-existent balance between tiers of equipment Circumstances: Every game I play for the whole duration of each game Insight: Likely caused by CCP not knowing how to balance an FPS and trying to cram EVE mechanics into the wrong game. Reproduction: Press start battle and then spawn in match. Bug readily apparent to anyone older than 5 upon spawning. Did that help?
Another Heavy SOB Pure Innocence. EoN. 532	Posted - 2013.08.21 09:17:00 - [23] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: BARDAS wrote: What are these patch notes that people speak of? Do you by chance mean the arcane scribble that magically appears 24 hours before a change takes place thus preventing any meaningful feedback from the community which could potentially prevent problems before they occur? If so yeah I may have heard about those once a while back. Its a shame we don't see them sooner for the aforementioned reason. How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will: 1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this. 2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered. The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it. Kind and Honorable Sir Philip Wang. I saw where the notes included a 60% resist for Charbydis so in my humble estimation sometimes it may be best to get notes ahead of time to notice errors in balance before a build drops. Thank you. Aren't you referring to the "60% HP buff to LAV's" in 1.1 notes? And yeah, that is a great example honestly.
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1136	Posted - 2013.08.21 09:22:00 - [24] - Quote I'm liking the new tone of the commander :-) But in regards to the patch notes, sometimes a fresh pair of eyes can spot things people close to the project can't. Maths is maths afterall. Or the players can outright tell you how they are going to openly exploit a change. We are the end customer and in the business word customers are a big part of the development process. The gaming world is no diffrent. Please work with us. And stop using a live eniorment ti teat changes. It's bad practice full stop.
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Pure Innocence. EoN. 255	Posted - 2013.08.21 09:30:00 - [25] - Quote CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: BARDAS wrote: What are these patch notes that people speak of? Do you by chance mean the arcane scribble that magically appears 24 hours before a change takes place thus preventing any meaningful feedback from the community which could potentially prevent problems before they occur? If so yeah I may have heard about those once a while back. Its a shame we don't see them sooner for the aforementioned reason. How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will: 1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this. 2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered. The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it. We like to give feedback before things happened because sometimes all it takes is text to a veteran player to figure out if something is wrong. Want examples? Everyone knew the flaylock was OP before it came out because we saw the amount of damage it did in the trailer. Everyone knew the caldari logi was hit hit with a nerf bat instead of a balance because we saw in the patch notes that its CPU was sliced by a whopping 40 base cpu in addition to 90 less shield, and longer shield recharge times. And you say the patch notes are there for preparation? In a 1 week timeframe with how we gain 190k SP in a week, have no respecs, and are completely subjugated to your decision making process of nerfing and buffing every single thing in the game, HOW are we supposed to use a week, with patch notes, to make ANY meaningful preparations. Heres an example: I specced into caldari logi, my entire SP path of 18 million SP was based around using the exact stats of the caldari logi, I figured I'd stack shield extenders and use low slots to fit CPU & PG mods to equip proto equipment. Doing so meant I'd never need shield regulators or rechargers, and I only needed lvl 3 for PG & CPU mods. What happens? My shield tanking gets nerfed, regulators are now MANDATORY, 1million SP investment. CPU gets MEGA NERFED, to make up for it requires 2 CPU levels, a 1.6mil SP investment, CPU modules now MANDATORY EVERY FIT. All in all the caldari logi gets nerfed and thrown into the ground to make it the worst logi suit, ruining my entire SP path based off this suit. What do I get? A 1 week warning and a slap to the face for buying boosters. Because hey no respecs, even though we completely nerfed your entire SP path. I'm sorry but don't think our player choices matter whatsoever at all with the constant nerfs you throw at everything, while not providing the fundamental aspecs of an RPG, such as respecs. All the while telling us about these nerfs completely out of the blue, 1 week before, and our feedback not mattering AT ALL.

CCP Cmdr Wang C C P C C P Alliance 2118	Posted - 2013.08.21 09:32:00 - [26] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: I'm liking the new tone of the commander :-) But in regards to the patch notes, sometimes a fresh pair of eyes can spot things people close to the project can't. Maths is maths afterall. Or the players can outright tell you how they are going to openly exploit a change. We are the end customer and in the business word customers are a big part of the development process. The gaming world is no diffrent. Please work with us. And stop using a live eniorment ti teat changes. It's bad practice full stop. Well, I agree but sometimes people forget that this is something really new, a MMO on a console that is working towards a full connection with another MMO on a different platform. So this is something akin to getting a man on the moon, and there were problems along the way there. Did people troll the NASA space program when things didn't go according to plan? Or did they get back on the horse and help provide solutions? We do listen to player feedback and some of them do make it into the game. It would be a lie to say that is not so. I know that it's taken longer than most of you on the forums would like, but it does take time to workout a solution when one is trodding down a path never traveled. A few of you on the forums have been with us all this time, so I am just asking you guys to keep on providing helpful feedback and a little less hate. Hope that's not too much to ask.

excillon united we stand x 29	Posted - 2013.08.21 09:35:00 - [27] - Quote I know people ask a lot, but for the love of god, please, can we have an A cog module that we can put on the AR's?! I can't take Iron sights anymore.
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Pure Innocence. EoN. 255	Posted - 2013.08.21 09:36:00 - [28] - Quote CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: BARDAS wrote: What are these patch notes that people speak of? Do you by chance mean the arcane scribble that magically appears 24 hours before a change takes place thus preventing any meaningful feedback from the community which could potentially prevent problems before they occur? If so yeah I may have heard about those once a while back. Its a shame we don't see them sooner for the aforementioned reason. How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will: 1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this. 2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered. The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it. In fact this post confirms it, these are the people making this game, this is the arrogance thrown in our faces when we speak our opinions. -1million
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 495	Posted - 2013.08.21 09:47:00 - [29] - Quote And you have the stones to call others arrogant... Asking for helpful feedback which they can actually use seems like a pretty reasonable request, but if you insist on sperging useless, immature crap - go right ahead.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. 690	Posted - 2013.08.21 09:48:00 - [30] - Quote CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: I'm liking the new tone of the commander :-) But in regards to the patch notes, sometimes a fresh pair of eyes can spot things people close to the project can't. Maths is maths afterall. Or the players can outright tell you how they are going to openly exploit a change. We are the end customer and in the business word customers are a big part of the development process. The gaming world is no diffrent. Please work with us. And stop using a live eniorment ti teat changes. It's bad practice full stop. Well, I agree but sometimes people forget that this is something really new, a MMO on a console that is working towards a full connection with another MMO on a different platform. So this is something akin to getting a man on the moon, and there were problems along the way there. Did people troll the NASA space program when things didn't go according to plan? Or did they get back on the horse and help provide solutions? We do listen to player feedback and some of them do make it into the game. It would be a lie to say that is not so. I know that it's taken longer than most of you on the forums would like, but it does take time to workout a solution when one is trodding down a path never traveled. A few of you on the forums have been with us all this time, so I am just asking you guys to keep on providing helpful feedback and a little less hate. Hope that's not too much to ask. Then BEFORE the next Event post a thread asking the playerbase what Event rewards we want. Doing it this way shows the playerbase that actual feedback about the game is being evaluated . I.e. list three Event rewards that you want and what format to get them i.e. revives, heals, kills , etc.



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