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Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 570	Posted - 2013.08.21 17:50:00 - [1] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: BARDAS wrote: What are these patch notes that people speak of? Do you by chance mean the arcane scribble that magically appears 24 hours before a change takes place thus preventing any meaningful feedback from the community which could potentially prevent problems before they occur? If so yeah I may have heard about those once a while back. Its a shame we don't see them sooner for the aforementioned reason. How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will: 1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this. 2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered. The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it. while I can understand your frustration with the community this post is slightly confrontational and unproductive... enough of us already do what you request and you all really don't listen... want an example? the academy, reducing it to 400 wp and then raising it to 1500... of all the threads/ feedback that specified issues with NPE what were you guys thinking pulling this hair brained move? how many threads for how long have you all read about the specifics of vehicle issues? yet you push back real fixes to 1.5 when something should have been done a long time ago... and these stupid "events" you all make... how much feedback do you need on those before you make them meaningful? the truth is for months, and some of us (not me) for YEARS have been giving you viable feedback and you all just spit in our faces repeatedly and this snarky little post of yours just proves what contempt you all seem to have for your customer base. screw your head on right... you guys are gifted and have a great product but you need to tone the ego down... the truth is you guys may know a lot but I can bet your player base plays this game A LOT more than you do on the tranq server and you would do well to heed our theory crafting cause it might save you months of re working your game... or did the release of uprising teach you nothing? You complain about his post being confrontational, yet the first thing you do is accuse his team of making hair brained moves and running stupid events. See, if I was in his position this is the part where you would be ignored pretty much forever. Your manner of feedback is childish, unproductive, and frankly ill-thought out. Actually, his post was pretty much spot-on. CCP doesn't need you to be offended on their behalf. Wang, I know resources and personnel are tight right now, but I really doubt there can ever be any meaningful interaction between EVE and Dust so long as the update and testing process continues in its current fashion. Shanghai may need to start thinking about implementing a test server. Give it some RP'ish name like "Duvolle Advanced Research and Development Proving Grounds" or some such. I'm sure you do in-house testing but a few dozen people can only do so much. Granted, most players aren't going to download a second copy of Dust just to play on a test server, but you should have enough players that genuinely care about Dust's future enough to participate and find issues your team may have overlooked. The feedback will be better focused and you won't have to waste as much time going back and fixing game breaking issues in every single update like you are currently doing. I know you are limited in ways that CCP Iceland isn't when it comes to loading updates onto PSN, but if there was anyway to help out, I'm certain the majority of the player base would be willing.
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 572	Posted - 2013.08.21 22:41:00 - [2] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will: 1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this. 2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered. The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it. I don't understand this attitude. This really seems like the opposite direction from the progress trying be made from the CPM's open letter to the meeting between CCP and the CPM had to discuss communication. It seems to go back on some of the things CCP ensured they were going to make progress on. I'm not really sure what to take away from this. Shanghai doesn't have time for CPM. They've got a moon landing to plan.
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 574	Posted - 2013.08.22 02:24:00 - [3] - Quote Croned wrote: Jenza's Pants wrote: Michael Arck wrote: For the love of God, why are the idiots talking to the dev in such a manner that prevents this game from getting to heights that CCP is trying to achieve?? It's like going to McDonald's and starting an argument with the guy cooking your burgers. It doesn't make sense. The dev asked us to give constructive feedback and TO WORK WITH THEM!! Is that really too much to ask if you want to help make this game good? Or are you too busy being a grandmother and nagging about everything? Because we have been providing constructive feedback for over a year and with each pass CCP does the exact opposite. Also, when we have patchnotes/devblog, we can see some stuff will be OP (Clogi, Flaylock) and be able to provide some input ahead of time, instead of it being delivered broken and going unfixed for 3 months. I don't recall anyone predicting that the flaylock pistol or Calogi would be OP the days before their patches were released or within a few days after. I highly doubt that you or anyone else here posesses the ability to accurately make predictions that rival CCP's own brainstorming and internal testing. I can guarantee you that any debate or discussion people may have about an upcoming change was already discussed and debated between the developers before being confirmed for the update. The only way one can know for sure the effect a particular change is to see it in action throughout the Dust playerbase. I don't know what's more idiotic, your worthless post or the morons who up-voted it. Here are no less than 6 threads that address the Flaylock and Logi suit issue before Uprising went live, some of these were made from video footage and fanfest data-- well before patch notes were even released. You may also want to look for the HAV, Heavy, and Sharpshooter nerfs as well as many other issues that plagued Dust shortly after release. Had we been given more time or, God forbid, an actual test server, we might have caught these issues before they were released. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=70607&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=70628&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=70696&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=70755&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=71547&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72313&find=unread Next time don't be a lazy git. You should use the search function before you make sweeping statements and broadcast to the forum your ignorance. Some players are very good at theory crafting and can perceive imbalances from data. Also, note the number of comments in those threads telling the OP to "wait and see before crying". Well, we waited, we saw, and this is the result.

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