I'm a little disturbed that you feel that way as a game developer. That type of arrogance is akin to what is rampant in Jagex. What is probably the most frustrating thing about your posts is that you still don't realize why people want patch notes earlier on. It's because there is next to no communication with the development teams at CCP Shanghai. The patch notes are pretty much the only thing we see about what is coming up in the next patch.

CCP Wolfman has been one of the only developers to break that mold and to actually discuss upcoming changes with the community. His discussions concerning the Vehicles changes coming in 1.5 have been a very welcome change and I hope that he continues to discuss his work with us and take our ideas. Instead, you get your ass up on your shoulders and get defensive when people WANT TO PARTICIPATE in the development of a game they want to see succeed. For some reason you find it only necessary to take feedback AFTER something has been released, which has proven time and time again to be a very ineffective style of development.

If you work with the community, the community receives any changes far better. However, you still have no transparency in your work, you strangle CPM with that damned NDA, and then expect the community to shut up and deal with it until after it's released.

You ask for less hate and more constructive feedback... I don't hate the development or the development team, I hate the development style. I've dealt with enough Jagex's to last a ******* lifetime. There aren't enough RIOT Games in the world. I am hating that the CCP team working on Dust 514 is acting more like Jagex, when it should be more like RIOT.

EVE online did not have this issue during release

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/
2003 over 100 dev blogs, read some of them
dust dev blogs last year, 14

And eve online was a 10 man team back then soo....

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

Sometimes the changes yall make look pretty bad on paper and usually translate into something very stupid ingame. example would be the core flaylock. a lot of hassle could have been avoided if yall showed us the stats before you released that super OP weapon. We all know that took nearly 2 months to fix. Honestly, did yall look at that weapon and go "Oh yes this weapon seems balanced"? even though it had the most dps out of every weapon, less pg and cpu to use, more splash damage and radius than a proto missile launcher or mass driver, and above all it was a sidearm.


You're real close to being called "BLAM 2"

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

I don't understand this attitude. This really seems like the opposite direction from the progress trying be made from the CPM's open letter to the meeting between CCP and the CPM had to discuss communication. It seems to go back on some of the things CCP ensured they were going to make progress on.

I'm not really sure what to take away from this.

I think you missed the entire point I was trying to convey. Early patch notes are just the part of what the community wants. So I will sum it up in words that sound less sarcastic than my original post:

We want regular and frequent communication from the developers on what is going on behind the scenes. If you are your staff are unable to do this then hire someone for the sole purpose of doing this. If you cannot or are unwilling to do that then why are you even in the business of making a video game? If you cannot communicate with your customers then you have no chance of keeping an already extremely frustrated player base playing your game long term.

And no the dev blog doesn't count. It is updated infrequently and does not contain all the information we as a community want and/or need. I'm sure there is more that could be said on this topic. Perhaps someone else would care to expand on the subject. I'm currently on my lunch break so I do not have the time to create a massive post pointing out what the developers are obviously lacking.

Think of the developer & customer relationship as being like a marriage. What is the key to any good lasting marriage? Communication!

I don't understand this attitude. This really seems like the opposite direction from the progress trying be made from the CPM's open letter to the meeting between CCP and the CPM had to discuss communication. It seems to go back on some of the things CCP ensured they were going to make progress on.

I'm not really sure what to take away from this.

Well, I agree but sometimes people forget that this is something really new, a MMO on a console that is working towards a full connection with another MMO on a different platform. So this is something akin to getting a man on the moon, and there were problems along the way there. Did people troll the NASA space program when things didn't go according to plan? Or did they get back on the horse and help provide solutions?

We do listen to player feedback and some of them do make it into the game. It would be a lie to say that is not so. I know that it's taken longer than most of you on the forums would like, but it does take time to workout a solution when one is trodding down a path never traveled. A few of you on the forums have been with us all this time, so I am just asking you guys to keep on providing helpful feedback and a little less hate. Hope that's not too much to ask.

I don't understand this attitude. This really seems like the opposite direction from the progress trying be made from the CPM's open letter to the meeting between CCP and the CPM had to discuss communication. It seems to go back on some of the things CCP ensured they were going to make progress on.

I'm not really sure what to take away from this.

Well, I agree but sometimes people forget that this is something really new, a MMO on a console that is working towards a full connection with another MMO on a different platform. So this is something akin to getting a man on the moon, and there were problems along the way there. Did people troll the NASA space program when things didn't go according to plan? Or did they get back on the horse and help provide solutions?

We do listen to player feedback and some of them do make it into the game. It would be a lie to say that is not so. I know that it's taken longer than most of you on the forums would like, but it does take time to workout a solution when one is trodding down a path never traveled. A few of you on the forums have been with us all this time, so I am just asking you guys to keep on providing helpful feedback and a little less hate. Hope that's not too much to ask.

They did hire two people for the purpose of communicating with the community. Their names are LogiBro and Mintchip! Yet we are still in the same place we've been all along. Little to no communication followed by troll comments from the DEV team. These toxic forums are a product of CCP's unwillingness to communicate properly and frequently. The community has done exactly what Commander Wang asked us to and we still get ignored. Just some simple acknowledgment on some of these well thought topics would go along to get some community good will.

I don't understand this attitude. This really seems like the opposite direction from the progress trying be made from the CPM's open letter to the meeting between CCP and the CPM had to discuss communication. It seems to go back on some of the things CCP ensured they were going to make progress on.

I'm not really sure what to take away from this.

I think the message to take away from this is that CCP doesn't really care about our feedback. But if its perfectly formatted with lots of information, they will 'give it a glance'.

CCP Shanghai DGAF.

I honestly wonder if its time CCP pulls an FF14. Fires the old developers, and hires a new team to keep the game from running into the ground.

This game is just a tragic train wreck anymore. I'm only here because of my corp but once some of the upcoming games drop and my friends start leaving I can't see myself staying for much longer.

Dude, take away from this that you're nothing very important to the project, you're just here to liaise with the "complainers" and pass on anything that's useful, no-one here has a better idea of how to get down and dirty in the code and actually help with the game, that's something that the developers can look at from their stats and results, everyone here really over-estimate the value of their input!
They just need to fix the code and balance the game day by day, month by month and to be honest, they'll do a great job of that without our input/interference, they're not dummies! Most of the people on this forum, however, are just that.

For the love of God, why are the idiots talking to the dev in such a manner that prevents this game from getting to heights that CCP is trying to achieve??

It's like going to McDonald's and starting an argument with the guy cooking your burgers.

It doesn't make sense. The dev asked us to give constructive feedback and TO WORK WITH THEM!! Is that really too much to ask if you want to help make this game good? Or are you too busy being a grandmother and nagging about everything?

The community has been trying to work with them, Michael Arck. However it's kind of hard to do with CCP withholding information and ignoring constructive feedback while giving all sorts of attention to troll threads.

And yes, if the guy cooking my burgers at McDonald's continuously fcked up my burger I would start an argument with him.

Withholding information? Just who the heck are you?

I just see a bunch of idiots talking who are the majority. Who will eventually leave and go hop on another game and do the same thing like some ***** who tries to find love through sex.

CCP told you dummies this was a 10 year plan. You dummies should realize that this is a huge undertaking of merging worlds.

But this is the thing...just ******* leave already. Really. Go. If you're not getting what you want here...find the ******* door and excuse yourselves.

You fucks slow down the developmental process. I mean, if I was a developer, I wouldn't want to better **** with you guys talking all your threatening ****.

This kind of thing takes time...but like I said, you can tell who had mommy and daddy who wiped poop off their butts well into their teens.

Go find another game to play stupid. There's people who understand and willing to tough it out. Get lost

The community has been trying to work with them, Michael Arck. However it's kind of hard to do with CCP withholding information and ignoring constructive feedback while giving all sorts of attention to troll threads.

And yes, if the guy cooking my burgers at McDonald's continuously fcked up my burger I would start an argument with him.

So we're supposed to believe you're a developer of some computer program somewhere. Yet you've somehow managed to fail any and every English class you've ever taken? Considering that gigantic run on sentence I'm inclined to call bullspit here.

Belt doesn't go around the neck anyway. Use it correctly.

Yes, come back on May 14th 2023 when Dust will finally be worth playing. A PlayStation V exclusive.


Fanboi yesmen ruined this game.