Well, I agree but sometimes people forget that this is something really new, a MMO on a console that is working towards a full connection with another MMO on a different platform. So this is something akin to getting a man on the moon, and there were problems along the way there. Did people troll the NASA space program when things didn't go according to plan? Or did they get back on the horse and help provide solutions?

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Then BEFORE the next Event post a thread asking the playerbase what Event rewards we want.

Doing it this way shows the playerbase that actual feedback about the game is being evaluated .

I.e. list three Event rewards that you want and what format to get them i.e. revives, heals, kills , etc.

Well, I agree but sometimes people forget that this is something really new, a MMO on a console that is working towards a full connection with another MMO on a different platform. So this is something akin to getting a man on the moon, and there were problems along the way there. Did people troll the NASA space program when things didn't go according to plan? Or did they get back on the horse and help provide solutions?

We do listen to player feedback and some of them do make it into the game. It would be a lie to say that is not so. I know that it's taken longer than most of you on the forums would like, but it does take time to workout a solution when one is trodding down a path never traveled. A few of you on the forums have been with us all this time, so I am just asking you guys to keep on providing helpful feedback and a little less hate. Hope that's not too much to ask.

Then BEFORE the next Event post a thread asking the playerbase what Event rewards we want.

Doing it this way shows the playerbase that actual feedback about the game is being evaluated .

I.e. list three Event rewards that you want and what format to get them i.e. revives, heals, kills , etc.

ITT: Dev finally publicly annoyed at forum BS.

Well, I agree but sometimes people forget that this is something really new, a MMO on a console that is working towards a full connection with another MMO on a different platform. So this is something akin to getting a man on the moon, and there were problems along the way there. Did people troll the NASA space program when things didn't go according to plan? Or did they get back on the horse and help provide solutions?

We do listen to player feedback and some of them do make it into the game. It would be a lie to say that is not so. I know that it's taken longer than most of you on the forums would like, but it does take time to workout a solution when one is trodding down a path never traveled. A few of you on the forums have been with us all this time, so I am just asking you guys to keep on providing helpful feedback and a little less hate. Hope that's not too much to ask.

Well, I agree but sometimes people forget that this is something really new, a MMO on a console that is working towards a full connection with another MMO on a different platform. So this is something akin to getting a man on the moon, and there were problems along the way there. Did people troll the NASA space program when things didn't go according to plan? Or did they get back on the horse and help provide solutions?

We do listen to player feedback and some of them do make it into the game. It would be a lie to say that is not so. I know that it's taken longer than most of you on the forums would like, but it does take time to workout a solution when one is trodding down a path never traveled. A few of you on the forums have been with us all this time, so I am just asking you guys to keep on providing helpful feedback and a little less hate. Hope that's not too much to ask.

A few of you on the forums have been with us all this time, so I am just asking you guys to keep on providing helpful feedback and a little less hate. Hope that's not too much to ask.

yes, good let that hate flow through you

When we want you to? Now go back to killing clones please.

It'll be out soon enough either this week or the next at the latest.

:( i cant kill anybody... i accidentally speced into vehicles...

Well, I agree but sometimes people forget that this is something really new, a MMO on a console that is working towards a full connection with another MMO on a different platform. So this is something akin to getting a man on the moon, and there were problems along the way there. Did people troll the NASA space program when things didn't go according to plan? Or did they get back on the horse and help provide solutions?

We do listen to player feedback and some of them do make it into the game. It would be a lie to say that is not so. I know that it's taken longer than most of you on the forums would like, but it does take time to workout a solution when one is trodding down a path never traveled. A few of you on the forums have been with us all this time, so I am just asking you guys to keep on providing helpful feedback and a little less hate. Hope that's not too much to ask.

lol....im sorry.....so much yes

Maybe you should talk to a good Vehicle specialist like Mary Sedillo? He doesn't seem to have a problem killing anything.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

Maybe you should talk to a good Vehicle specialist like Mary Sedillo? He doesn't seem to have a problem killing anything.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

youre pretty funny. i do pretty fine in tanks thanks. never heard of this mary sedillo guy, n im one of those good vehicle specialists your talking about from over a year ago in beta...w/e welcome to the forums

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

Maybe if STB actually fought their own battles instead having AE ring you'd have had your tank destroyed by him.

At a 7.2 K/D I'd say he's pretty damn good, especially considering vehicles can't kill anything....

Sometimes the changes yall make look pretty bad on paper and usually translate into something very stupid ingame. example would be the core flaylock. a lot of hassle could have been avoided if yall showed us the stats before you released that super OP weapon. We all know that took nearly 2 months to fix. Honestly, did yall look at that weapon and go "Oh yes this weapon seems balanced"? even though it had the most dps out of every weapon, less pg and cpu to use, more splash damage and radius than a proto missile launcher or mass driver, and above all it was a sidearm.


You're real close to being called "BLAM 2"

The flaylock was not OP until the explosion hit detection was fixed. The weapon probably seemed fine during testing and there was no problems with this being OP until the explosion fix. The explosion fix also changed the MD from being UP to being good.

You are too quick to make conclusions on this matter. I am confident that CPP does playtest new content. I would suspect the biggest problem is anticipating player behavior. There would be no problems with current tanks if only few skilled into proto AV. How should they balance it properly before release, not knowing our behavior? Should tanks be balanced around all players having access to proto AV, to 10% having proto AV? This can vary greatly from match to match. One match having unstoppable tanks while the next getting tanks destroyed shortly after they are deployed.

I would say the best option is to try and balance it on paper and during their playtesting. And later update its characteristics if needed depending on how it is deployed in pub matches. And I believe 1-2 months of real testing is needed to properly gather statistics and seeing if it finds a proper use not being OP or UP.

Specific Issue: Non-existent balance between tiers of equipment
Circumstances: Every game I play for the whole duration of each game
Insight: Likely caused by CCP not knowing how to balance an FPS and trying to cram EVE mechanics into the wrong game.
Reproduction: Press start battle and then spawn in match. Bug readily apparent to anyone older than 5 upon spawning.

Did that help?

The flaylock was not OP until the explosion hit detection was fixed. The weapon probably seemed fine during testing and there was no problems with this being OP until the explosion fix. The explosion fix also changed the MD from being UP to being good.

You are too quick to make conclusions on this matter. I am confident that CPP does playtest new content. I would suspect the biggest problem is anticipating player behavior. There would be no problems with current tanks if only few skilled into proto AV. How should they balance it properly before release, not knowing our behavior? Should tanks be balanced around all players having access to proto AV, to 10% having proto AV? This can vary greatly from match to match. One match having unstoppable tanks while the next getting tanks destroyed shortly after they are deployed.

I would say the best option is to try and balance it on paper and during their playtesting. And later update its characteristics if needed depending on how it is deployed in pub matches. And I believe 1-2 months of real testing is needed to properly gather statistics and seeing if it finds a proper use not being OP or UP.

When we want you to? Now go back to killing clones please.

It'll be out soon enough either this week or the next at the latest.

I understand what hes saying. There is no way to predict how we are going to end up playing, but I think some player feedback on stats would help out tremendously the headache when they release new features and updates to our inventory.

Look at what team grit did when they first announced PC. they had nearly full transparency and the community pointed out a flaw that would have a corp make endless isk.

as for the proto av vs tanks. In my opinion having vehicles without its proto counter part seems like a decision that was not made with good foresight. Think of releasing proto weapons and only having standard suits.