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Posted - 2013.08.21 14:27:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:
Uh oh, It sounds like we've started to break CCP Cmdr Wang, or maybe it's the 25 hour days to get DUST in a happy place.
Commander, we're all anxious to get past the core mechanics and bug fixes so we can get on to the new content. Even the ones that are declaring "DUST is Dead" are still here for a reason. We're just anxious to see if there is going to be anything new in 1.4 or if it's going to be just another batch of fixes. If we had more teasers of new things that we can speculate about and look forward to it would go a long way towards helping us with the wait. Currently, we hear very little and then suddenly get the new build and patch notes.
Please use your new community reps to increase the trickle of news and eye candy. We're like a bunch of drug addicts going through withdrawal out here!
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Please Cmdr Wang, have a talk with Wolfman, he drops little bits here and there and its refreshing and exciting. He seems to understand what the players want and expect from a CCP game.
Sure we don't need the devs spending 3 hours a day talking/posting on the forums so make use of your community reps!
Seriously, mint chip posts like once a week and logi bro posts 2-3 times a week. Almost nothing they say ever has any relevance.
Use your people for what you hired them for! Community reps! Have them make posts and collect feedback and then bring it to the relevant people at the next meeting, just like the CPM is trying to do to since no one else will.
I know most of the devs can't be bother to interact with the community, and thats totally fine tbh. Sometimes you need to make changes without being biased by the emotions of forum posters. That's why you use the CPM and the reps to filter out the shit posts and send you the good content. Then you sit down and talk about it, and have the reps make a reply. They can only discuss what they are allowed to, and the people can feel like they are taken seriously without the devs having to get into a pissing match every time a troll makes a couple shitty posts. |
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Posted - 2013.08.21 20:00:00 -
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Sephirian Fair wrote:
I'm a little disturbed that you feel that way as a game developer. That type of arrogance is akin to what is rampant in Jagex. What is probably the most frustrating thing about your posts is that you still don't realize why people want patch notes earlier on. It's because there is next to no communication with the development teams at CCP Shanghai. The patch notes are pretty much the only thing we see about what is coming up in the next patch.
CCP Wolfman has been one of the only developers to break that mold and to actually discuss upcoming changes with the community. His discussions concerning the Vehicles changes coming in 1.5 have been a very welcome change and I hope that he continues to discuss his work with us and take our ideas. Instead, you get your ass up on your shoulders and get defensive when people WANT TO PARTICIPATE in the development of a game they want to see succeed. For some reason you find it only necessary to take feedback AFTER something has been released, which has proven time and time again to be a very ineffective style of development.
If you work with the community, the community receives any changes far better. However, you still have no transparency in your work, you strangle CPM with that damned NDA, and then expect the community to shut up and deal with it until after it's released.
You ask for less hate and more constructive feedback... I don't hate the development or the development team, I hate the development style. I've dealt with enough Jagex's to last a ******* lifetime. There aren't enough RIOT Games in the world. I am hating that the CCP team working on Dust 514 is acting more like Jagex, when it should be more like RIOT.
Please read this post carefully CCP Shanghai.
Take a note from Wolfman who is finally starting to open up to the player base. He's going in the right direction with his posts and feedback, and more devs need to follow his example. (and Foxfour/Nullarbor who seem to understand how to interact with their players... but they aren't CCP Shanghai so I guess that isn't much of a shocker is it?)
I think you need to sit down and have a chat with CCP Reykjavik. It sounds like EVE had this same issue when the game was younger and they finally looked past their personal ignorance and pride and opened up to the community, it sounds like the game is much better as a result.
Also, you are up against the combined efforts of thousands of players who have played your game a lot more than you, as developers, will ever have the time to. I hope you can eventually understand that your entire player base will always know a lot more about this game than you can ever hope to. Once you realize the untapped potential of player feedback you will be able to make this game, and future additional content, relevant much more efficiently. |
ZDub 303
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Posted - 2013.08.21 20:10:00 -
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That is even worse then... sounds like Shanghai needs to take a step back and really evaluate what they are doing then. |
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Posted - 2013.08.21 23:30:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:CCP Cmdr Wang wrote:
How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:
1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.
2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.
The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.
I don't understand this attitude. This really seems like the opposite direction from the progress trying be made from the CPM's open letter to the meeting between CCP and the CPM had to discuss communication.  It seems to go back on some of the things CCP ensured they were going to make progress on. I'm not really sure what to take away from this. 
I think the message to take away from this is that CCP doesn't really care about our feedback. But if its perfectly formatted with lots of information, they will 'give it a glance'.
CCP Shanghai DGAF.
I honestly wonder if its time CCP pulls an FF14. Fires the old developers, and hires a new team to keep the game from running into the ground.
This game is just a tragic train wreck anymore. I'm only here because of my corp but once some of the upcoming games drop and my friends start leaving I can't see myself staying for much longer. |
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