That road map has slipped massively since March when I last read it.

CCP's most recent roadmap can be read here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=988205#post988205

There are a lot of developers and development houses watching DUST very closely.

Imo that's because CCP is pioneering in territory that fires the imagination of those developers but also gives them the heebie-jeebies.

Well, I agree but sometimes people forget that this is something really new, a MMO on a console that is working towards a full connection with another MMO on a different platform. So this is something akin to getting a man on the moon, and there were problems along the way there. Did people troll the NASA space program when things didn't go according to plan? Or did they get back on the horse and help provide solutions?

We do listen to player feedback and some of them do make it into the game. It would be a lie to say that is not so. I know that it's taken longer than most of you on the forums would like, but it does take time to workout a solution when one is trodding down a path never traveled. A few of you on the forums have been with us all this time, so I am just asking you guys to keep on providing helpful feedback and a little less hate. Hope that's not too much to ask.

I know this is going to come as a shock to you, but CCP is not an industry pioneer. They landed a monopoly on an under-served niche after a competing company folded and have been skating by ever since. They almost drove that into the ground anyway with Incarna, but pulled through with some reorganization. Their hubris finally caught up to them however in DUST 514. Most of the industry that glance CCP's way laugh at them for failing so badly.

How would you know?

First Dust514 is no where close to an mmo
Second there have been multiple real mmo/rpgs that have cross platformed with pc so just cause its new to you doesnt mean its new to us. ff11 was playstation2 and pc for f*** sakes and everquest was on ps2 and worked along side its pc version. thats 2 quick and easy examples. im sorry im just tired of bull crap fixes and changes that dont need to be done and zero new content. lame events that cant even draw us back to the game. and at the end of this newest war more players are gonna leave cause there is going to be nothing new for us to do. CCP i have honestly tried to give you guys lots of time and the benifit of the doubt when your trying to work things out but honestly its almost game over....

while I can understand your frustration with the community this post is slightly confrontational and unproductive...

enough of us already do what you request and you all really don't listen... want an example?

the academy, reducing it to 400 wp and then raising it to 1500... of all the threads/ feedback that specified issues with NPE what were you guys thinking pulling this hair brained move?

how many threads for how long have you all read about the specifics of vehicle issues? yet you push back real fixes to 1.5 when something should have been done a long time ago...

and these stupid "events" you all make... how much feedback do you need on those before you make them meaningful?

the truth is for months, and some of us (not me) for YEARS have been giving you viable feedback and you all just spit in our faces repeatedly and this snarky little post of yours just proves what contempt you all seem to have for your customer base.

screw your head on right... you guys are gifted and have a great product but you need to tone the ego down...

the truth is you guys may know a lot but I can bet your player base plays this game A LOT more than you do on the tranq server and you would do well to heed our theory crafting cause it might save you months of re working your game... or did the release of uprising teach you nothing?

There are a lot of developers and development houses watching DUST very closely.

Imo that's because CCP is pioneering in territory that fires the imagination of those developers but also gives them the heebie-jeebies.

You are right.
They are watching at how bad they are failing and learning at how not to fail at making a self proclaimed AAA FPS.

What I was trying to say in the earlier post was that patch notes are not the ideal tool for spotting problems. In the current process, at the stage when patch notes are finalized, there's limited time to iterate before the changes are in-game. And the community can help by working together with positive posts. When it comes to giving helpful feedback, Mavado is a good example. He gives focused topics that contain details which support his arguments.

We make every attempt we can to listen and apply feedback where time and resources allow, but this is not always possible as much as we'd like. While we are taking steps with the CPM to better improve our feedback process, the rest of the playerbase can help us out in the meantime. The amount of hostility on the forums make them a very unwelcoming place for those who'd strive to post positive feedback, and the amount of hostile threads can easily clog up the forums and make our job much more difficult when scouring for the feedback that the dev teams need to see. So, to this end... while we try to improve our end of the process, we're asking for a little help from the players on their end as well

Ultimately, the goal is to setup a method that will allow enough time to tell the CPM what is planned for the next release and get their feedback (which will include voices from the community) in time to allow a response from the devs, and changes that are possible based on your feedback. So what we want to have is "better" and more "effective" communication that can then be centralized and shared with everyone.

When it comes to in-game events, we are also making a list of features that will support the type of events that many of you have been asking for. It'll take development time to make them but once it's done we will be able to add more variety in terms of conditions for the event and flexibility of rewards to make events more enjoyable.

Now I think most of us have lost sight of what this thread was about in the first place, and that is when will 1.4 patch notes come out? The answer is tomorrow around DT.

So did he mean that the dev blog would come out today or the patch notes?

Hey, UncleGuspacho found this "CCP is launching a large-scale update for Dust 514 on Sept. 3". His thread is here, https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1206916#post1206916.

Now WTF did Commander of the Wang have to drag this thread out the way he did I will never know but anyway, there you go.

Patch Notes released on August 23rd @ down time and 1.4 released on September 3rd.

It really is not that hard is it.

Their problem isn't with coding, the game doesn't actually have too many bugs. It does have a few problems that stem from their coding (like terrain issues) but on the whole the game is stable and functions without exploding.

99.99% of their problems are designer/game theory balance problems which is exactly what player feedback CAN help with.

Well, I agree but sometimes people forget that this is something really new, a MMO on a console that is working towards a full connection with another MMO on a different platform. So this is something akin to getting a man on the moon, and there were problems along the way there. Did people troll the NASA space program when things didn't go according to plan? Or did they get back on the horse and help provide solutions?

We do listen to player feedback and some of them do make it into the game. It would be a lie to say that is not so. I know that it's taken longer than most of you on the forums would like, but it does take time to workout a solution when one is trodding down a path never traveled. A few of you on the forums have been with us all this time, so I am just asking you guys to keep on providing helpful feedback and a little less hate. Hope that's not too much to ask.

What I was trying to say in the earlier post was that patch notes are not the ideal tool for spotting problems. In the current process, at the stage when patch notes are finalized, there's limited time to iterate before the changes are in-game. And the community can help by working together with positive posts. When it comes to giving helpful feedback, Mavado is a good example. He gives focused topics that contain details which support his arguments.

We make every attempt we can to listen and apply feedback where time and resources allow, but this is not always possible as much as we'd like. While we are taking steps with the CPM to better improve our feedback process, the rest of the playerbase can help us out in the meantime. The amount of hostility on the forums make them a very unwelcoming place for those who'd strive to post positive feedback, and the amount of hostile threads can easily clog up the forums and make our job much more difficult when scouring for the feedback that the dev teams need to see. So, to this end... while we try to improve our end of the process, we're asking for a little help from the players on their end as well

Ultimately, the goal is to setup a method that will allow enough time to tell the CPM what is planned for the next release and get their feedback (which will include voices from the community) in time to allow a response from the devs, and changes that are possible based on your feedback. So what we want to have is "better" and more "effective" communication that can then be centralized and shared with everyone.

When it comes to in-game events, we are also making a list of features that will support the type of events that many of you have been asking for. It'll take development time to make them but once it's done we will be able to add more variety in terms of conditions for the event and flexibility of rewards to make events more enjoyable.

Now I think most of us have lost sight of what this thread was about in the first place, and that is when will 1.4 patch notes come out? The answer is tomorrow around DT.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.