What I was trying to say in the earlier post was that patch notes are not the ideal tool for spotting problems. In the current process, at the stage when patch notes are finalized, there's limited time to iterate before the changes are in-game. And the community can help by working together with positive posts. When it comes to giving helpful feedback, Mavado is a good example. He gives focused topics that contain details which support his arguments.

We make every attempt we can to listen and apply feedback where time and resources allow, but this is not always possible as much as we'd like. While we are taking steps with the CPM to better improve our feedback process, the rest of the playerbase can help us out in the meantime. The amount of hostility on the forums make them a very unwelcoming place for those who'd strive to post positive feedback, and the amount of hostile threads can easily clog up the forums and make our job much more difficult when scouring for the feedback that the dev teams need to see. So, to this end... while we try to improve our end of the process, we're asking for a little help from the players on their end as well

Ultimately, the goal is to setup a method that will allow enough time to tell the CPM what is planned for the next release and get their feedback (which will include voices from the community) in time to allow a response from the devs, and changes that are possible based on your feedback. So what we want to have is "better" and more "effective" communication that can then be centralized and shared with everyone.

As I noted in this post, I agree that we don't need patch notes until shortly before the patch. Patch notes are for detailing every little change coming in the patch, not to tell the players about what's in the patch.

The reason why we're screaming at you to get the patch notes earlier is because it's the absolutely only information we get prior to a patch, which means we have absolutely no other way of knowing what's in the patch. If we had other information, we wouldn't have a desire to see the patch notes until shortly before the patch.


I honestly don't know that to say about this.

Ever since the beginning of the closed beta, players have been posting extremely detailed and in-depth feedback. What do you expect those players to do when this feedback is, for the most part, straight up ignored? I've had several ideas for varioues detailed feedback threads over the last months, but I haven't posted them, simply because I know the feedback is still being ignored. You think you know better than your players and you don't want their feedback. You have demonstrated this time and time again over the last year and a half.

Last summer the forums were filled with a huge amount of constructive feedback, and the forums were in general very positive back then. That is no longer the case simply because a lot of players have given up at this point. They are tired of being ignored and treated in the way they have been over the last year and a half.

With that said, I think you just look at the General Discussion section and conclude the tone must be the same in the other sections. If you haven't noticed then the other sections for feedback and bugs are not as bad. They're just fairly quiet for the most part, since people don't really post as much good feedback as they used to.

Why are the developers using General Discussion for feedback gathering? I have seen them do this (CCP Wolfman for example). Why are they not gathering feedback from the proper sections and, most importantly, why are they not posting in the proper sections?

Where is the thread in the feedback section asking for feedback on the upcoming suit bonuses overhaul?

Where is the thread in the feedback section asking for feedback on the upcoming vehicle overhaul?

Where is the thread in the feedback section asking for feedback on the upcoming new weapons/dropsuits/vehicles/modules?

Where are the posts from the developers in the various feedback threads in the feedback section discussing with the players regarding the specific feedback in the thread?

This is the kind of things we need. Do not act like you know better than the players and start to involve them in your work.

Again, there has been good feedback, and then there has been pointless, directionless bile spewed in all directions.

Digging through the piles of **** to find gold is probably less easy than it seems.

I believe instead of there being a major release every month we should do a release schedule similar to other MMOs I play. Often monthly big releases come with lots of bugs and two weeks after a big release should be a bugfix release. This would make the game a lot more stable in case major bugs are accidentally introduced during the major updates.

Again, like I said, last summer the forums were a better place. There were a ton of detailed feedback, and hardly anything as bad as we have now.

When the detailed feedback is being ignored what do you honestly expect to happen? It's no wonder hardly anyone posts valuable feedback anymore. CCP Shanghai don't want it and ignore it instead. This has been proven time and time again.

What I was trying to say in the earlier post was that patch notes are not the ideal tool for spotting problems. In the current process, at the stage when patch notes are finalized, there's limited time to iterate before the changes are in-game. And the community can help by working together with positive posts. When it comes to giving helpful feedback, Mavado is a good example. He gives focused topics that contain details which support his arguments.

We make every attempt we can to listen and apply feedback where time and resources allow, but this is not always possible as much as we'd like. While we are taking steps with the CPM to better improve our feedback process, the rest of the playerbase can help us out in the meantime. The amount of hostility on the forums make them a very unwelcoming place for those who'd strive to post positive feedback, and the amount of hostile threads can easily clog up the forums and make our job much more difficult when scouring for the feedback that the dev teams need to see. So, to this end... while we try to improve our end of the process, we're asking for a little help from the players on their end as well

Ultimately, the goal is to setup a method that will allow enough time to tell the CPM what is planned for the next release and get their feedback (which will include voices from the community) in time to allow a response from the devs, and changes that are possible based on your feedback. So what we want to have is "better" and more "effective" communication that can then be centralized and shared with everyone.

When it comes to in-game events, we are also making a list of features that will support the type of events that many of you have been asking for. It'll take development time to make them but once it's done we will be able to add more variety in terms of conditions for the event and flexibility of rewards to make events more enjoyable.

Now I think most of us have lost sight of what this thread was about in the first place, and that is when will 1.4 patch notes come out? The answer is tomorrow around DT.

Dude, take away from this that you're nothing very important to the project, you're just here to liaise with the "complainers" and pass on anything that's useful, no-one here has a better idea of how to get down and dirty in the code and actually help with the game, that's something that the developers can look at from their stats and results, everyone here really over-estimate the value of their input!
They just need to fix the code and balance the game day by day, month by month and to be honest, they'll do a great job of that without our input/interference, they're not dummies! Most of the people on this forum, however, are just that.

7 hours or 31 hours? lol.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

[...] The amount of hostility on the forums make them a very unwelcoming place for those who'd strive to post positive feedback, and the amount of hostile threads can easily clog up the forums and make our job much more difficult when scouring for the feedback that the dev teams need to see.

To the player-base in general, from me: Grow Up.

What I was trying to say in the earlier post was that patch notes are not the ideal tool for spotting problems. In the current process, at the stage when patch notes are finalized, there's limited time to iterate before the changes are in-game. And the community can help by working together with positive posts. When it comes to giving helpful feedback, Mavado is a good example. He gives focused topics that contain details which support his arguments.

We make every attempt we can to listen and apply feedback where time and resources allow, but this is not always possible as much as we'd like. While we are taking steps with the CPM to better improve our feedback process, the rest of the playerbase can help us out in the meantime. The amount of hostility on the forums make them a very unwelcoming place for those who'd strive to post positive feedback, and the amount of hostile threads can easily clog up the forums and make our job much more difficult when scouring for the feedback that the dev teams need to see. So, to this end... while we try to improve our end of the process, we're asking for a little help from the players on their end as well

Ultimately, the goal is to setup a method that will allow enough time to tell the CPM what is planned for the next release and get their feedback (which will include voices from the community) in time to allow a response from the devs, and changes that are possible based on your feedback. So what we want to have is "better" and more "effective" communication that can then be centralized and shared with everyone.

When it comes to in-game events, we are also making a list of features that will support the type of events that many of you have been asking for. It'll take development time to make them but once it's done we will be able to add more variety in terms of conditions for the event and flexibility of rewards to make events more enjoyable.

Now I think most of us have lost sight of what this thread was about in the first place, and that is when will 1.4 patch notes come out? The answer is tomorrow around DT.

Panther that's just what they want u you to think

This ... the forums have degraded into a group of whiney little 9-yr olds, and I generally recommend any- and everybody to stay the heck away.

To the player-base in general, from me: Grow Up.

Now I think most of us have lost sight of what this thread was about in the first place, and that is when will 1.4 patch notes come out? The answer is tomorrow around DT.

Posted: 2013.08.22 03:56


Tomorrow WTF is this?


I mean the simple answer would have been, " The answer is Thursday/Friday around DT. "

Why are you talking to them like they don't know what they doing and you have been doing for years? Stop it. It's not a major release every month, it's various fixes and bugs that they work on aka updates.

And just why in the world are you trying to turn CCP into another developer? This isn't your typical MMO or developer.

You are right, they are a joke by comparison.
http://www.planetside2.com/roadmap

Oh if only CCP would adopt such a concept.
Imagine how wonderful this game really would be.
But they won't because our brains are not that powerful, right?
Meh, oh well.

You are right, they are a joke by comparison.
http://www.planetside2.com/roadmap

Uhoh, the troll is out of his cave.

I have only had one cup of coffee so still a little grumpy.

I would recommend a piece of cake to go with the coffee and Dust forum as entertainment.

You are right, they are a joke by comparison.
http://www.planetside2.com/roadmap

You are right, they are a joke by comparison.
http://www.planetside2.com/roadmap