while I can understand your frustration with the community this post is slightly confrontational and unproductive...

enough of us already do what you request and you all really don't listen... want an example?

the academy, reducing it to 400 wp and then raising it to 1500... of all the threads/ feedback that specified issues with NPE what were you guys thinking pulling this hair brained move?

how many threads for how long have you all read about the specifics of vehicle issues? yet you push back real fixes to 1.5 when something should have been done a long time ago...

and these stupid "events" you all make... how much feedback do you need on those before you make them meaningful?

the truth is for months, and some of us (not me) for YEARS have been giving you viable feedback and you all just spit in our faces repeatedly and this snarky little post of yours just proves what contempt you all seem to have for your customer base.

screw your head on right... you guys are gifted and have a great product but you need to tone the ego down...

the truth is you guys may know a lot but I can bet your player base plays this game A LOT more than you do on the tranq server and you would do well to heed our theory crafting cause it might save you months of re working your game... or did the release of uprising teach you nothing?

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

I am just absolutely speechless at the arrogance and ignorance of cmdr wang.... CCP are you all this misguided and bull headed?

"akin to putting a man on the moon"

really? your a GAME DEVELOPER... not a rocket scientist... that's just a ridiculous comparison and you should be ashamed of yourself for thinking what you guys are doing is even remotely in the same ball park...

don't forget that a lot of your player base are also college educated professionals, businessmen, teachers, COMPUTER PROGRAMERS, maybe even GAME DEVELOPERS...

not all of us, and probably not most of us are little kids, but to be honest theres a 14 year old kid in my corp who displays much more respect and composure and understanding of this game than you seem to, so I wouldn't count them all out either...

this hostile environment that you devs experience here in the forums is your creation, and with winners like wang here how could you expect anything different.

you ignore our feedback for months/years and then post things like:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

proving you all don't listen CAUSE WE DO THIS!

absolutely insulting

that's what this whole exchange with wang has been...
insulting and insightful

I have said this before and ill say it again, the only thing at this point that keeps me playing is the community in my corp...

man on the moon....the nerve....

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future?

Thank you for respone :-) I understand where ur coming from.

But nit to be a total smartarse. NASA croudsorced a few times now.

So does medicine

NASA could not ask the community back then like they can now.

As an idea why experiment in a safe area like faction warfare just as a one off test case. You can only learn by taking risks and both the playerbase and ccp could become market leaders in player develomer interaction.

At work sorry for typos getting messages in while in an jrc metting is hard lol

When we want you to? Now go back to killing clones please.

It'll be out soon enough either this week or the next at the latest.

It'll be out soon enough either this week or the next at the latest.

I think he's pointing out that not ALL of us do that, which is absolutely the case.

For every one of us that provides good feedback in the manner he stated, there are five more telling them they should all be fired and the game be scrapped.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

Ok so it is SONY's fault that the devs used an old game engine to cut costs and then try to run a high player count?

Think before posting please, if you hate the PS3 so much get rid of it!

Yes sony admitted the comsoleis hard to program due to its custom hardware, but the problems with dust come down to lots of promises that have not been delivered and then honestly the attitude of the DEV in this thread? I get it that the devs are fed up with complaints, but when the GAME is a bugged out mess because they use an OLD GAME ENGINE rather then use something upto date and thentry to pass this off as an MMORPG!

There is fault on both sides, the devs for the arrogance and failed promises (I still have some small faith in them they will fix this)

AND the other fault is the player base feeling they are getting shanked, now anyone like me that has bought a merc pack or aurum is going to feel ripped off, that is why I will NOT SPEND anymore on this game, why bother when they keep changing the goalposts and deny the respec that ppl will need because of the bad ideas being implemented.

I am less hateful as this is not the first time I have seen this happen (BF3 for example or DEFIANCE) bur they were paid for games,this is free to play with -ú/$ ements that support the game. I love my BPO and I dont see alot of the bugs that others do but I have reported stuff only to be told "Thnaks for the feedback, we cannot tell you the outcome of your ticket and are now closing it" (Seriouxly, this happened after I reported yet another case of players using the cloaking gltich and the game freezing. ANd Basically what I got reading between the lines is "Ty now go away" Not a good way to treat ppl

TL/DR version : Both the communtiy and the DEVS need to work with each other better and stop the hate on both sides where possible

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

You complain about his post being confrontational, yet the first thing you do is accuse his team of making hair brained moves and running stupid events.

See, if I was in his position this is the part where you would be ignored pretty much forever. Your manner of feedback is childish, unproductive, and frankly ill-thought out.

expecting everyone to do something is unrealistic... communicating this in such a way that dismisses all of us is insulting

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

When we want you to? Now go back to killing clones please.

It'll be out soon enough either this week or the next at the latest.

So you obviously missed the part where he thanked those of us who are still here and providing good feedback.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:

1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.

2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.

We like to give feedback before things happened because sometimes all it takes is text to a veteran player to figure out if something is wrong. Want examples? Everyone knew the flaylock was OP before it came out because we saw the amount of damage it did in the trailer. Everyone knew the caldari logi was hit hit with a nerf bat instead of a balance because we saw in the patch notes that its CPU was sliced by a whopping 40 base cpu in addition to 90 less shield, and longer shield recharge times.

And you say the patch notes are there for preparation? In a 1 week timeframe with how we gain 190k SP in a week, have no respecs, and are completely subjugated to your decision making process of nerfing and buffing every single thing in the game, HOW are we supposed to use a week, with patch notes, to make ANY meaningful preparations.

Heres an example: I specced into caldari logi, my entire SP path of 18 million SP was based around using the exact stats of the caldari logi, I figured I'd stack shield extenders and use low slots to fit CPU & PG mods to equip proto equipment.
Doing so meant I'd never need shield regulators or rechargers, and I only needed lvl 3 for PG & CPU mods.
What happens? My shield tanking gets nerfed, regulators are now MANDATORY, 1million SP investment. CPU gets MEGA NERFED, to make up for it requires 2 CPU levels, a 1.6mil SP investment, CPU modules now MANDATORY EVERY FIT.
All in all the caldari logi gets nerfed and thrown into the ground to make it the worst logi suit, ruining my entire SP path based off this suit.
What do I get? A 1 week warning and a slap to the face for buying boosters. Because hey no respecs, even though we completely nerfed your entire SP path.

I'm sorry but don't think our player choices matter whatsoever at all with the constant nerfs you throw at everything, while not providing the fundamental aspecs of an RPG, such as respecs. All the while telling us about these nerfs completely out of the blue, 1 week before, and our feedback not mattering AT ALL.

I'm a little disturbed that you feel that way as a game developer. That type of arrogance is akin to what is rampant in Jagex. What is probably the most frustrating thing about your posts is that you still don't realize why people want patch notes earlier on. It's because there is next to no communication with the development teams at CCP Shanghai. The patch notes are pretty much the only thing we see about what is coming up in the next patch.

CCP Wolfman has been one of the only developers to break that mold and to actually discuss upcoming changes with the community. His discussions concerning the Vehicles changes coming in 1.5 have been a very welcome change and I hope that he continues to discuss his work with us and take our ideas. Instead, you get your ass up on your shoulders and get defensive when people WANT TO PARTICIPATE in the development of a game they want to see succeed. For some reason you find it only necessary to take feedback AFTER something has been released, which has proven time and time again to be a very ineffective style of development.

If you work with the community, the community receives any changes far better. However, you still have no transparency in your work, you strangle CPM with that damned NDA, and then expect the community to shut up and deal with it until after it's released.

You ask for less hate and more constructive feedback... I don't hate the development or the development team, I hate the development style. I've dealt with enough Jagex's to last a ******* lifetime. There aren't enough RIOT Games in the world. I am hating that the CCP team working on Dust 514 is acting more like Jagex, when it should be more like RIOT.

Bravo. Bravo.

On that note... have you seen the thread on the HMG reticule issue? is something about tat being done in 1.4 or 1.5?

The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.