Not my fault you took a different interpretation away from his post. I agree with his assessment, apparently you do as well. However, I get the impression that he is talking about actually playing as support with the wide-range of support options rather than abusing the support options by using them (fully or otherwise) to enhance assault capabilities (which is the impression I get from you).

I severely doubt that.

If anything, 50% of dust is Cal Logi wonderbread, in which case may the nerf bat strike hard and true.

I strongly, strongly doubt your imaginary numbers are anywhere near close. Want to be primary combat with a side of support? Play Assault. Want to be primarily support with a side of combat? Play logistics.

You all can enjoy your banter, CCP has already expressed their desire to adjust this and lower the logistics combat efficiency in favor of increasing their support abilities.

Have fun killer bees, the end is nigh

You just explained why in your question, it made logistics useless. I didn't mind scouts having more than one equipment slot, they need to be something more than paper thin assassins and more equipment would help them in that regard.


Only one logistics suit outperformed assaults- the CaLogi. Minmatar and Gallente are spot on for what they're meant to do, but the Amarr needed that buff to be the true Assault/Logi hybrid. If you're questioning what Assaults are meant for, maybe you should consider speccing into another role or stop playing FPS altogether.

First off, I'm a Cald logi so I'm not happy at this point.

Here is what I do on the battlefield...

I carry proto uplinks and nanohives. I'm usually front line so as we attack an objective or fend off attacks while we are defending I'll place a "hub" to provide armor reps and ammo. I'll place uplinks as they are taken out in defence or to provide a point of entry during an assault on an objective.

I chose this method after talking with DJINN Pheonix. After playing in some PC matches it was clear that we needed more logis with a weapon in their hand instead of a rep tool. Not just that but many more people are shield tanked than armor tanked.

Given the choices and the experiences I've had this was the path that seemed obvious to me. Not flavor of the month, just taking a look at the options available and making a decision based on what I felt would fit my playstyle and be the most effective for my team.

If I were a gallente logi I would have certainly taken up a rep tool as I'd probably be posted up in a heavy armor squad. However I do not like the movement penalties that armor comes with.

Until recently the nanite injector was useless and there are only certain times in a PC battle where it's advisable to pick players up after they go down. Quality teams in PC are usually going to put the person you picked up back down along with the person that picked them up.

MANY corps that I know of advise against using nanite injectors in PC.

The rep tool situation I touched on above, but I'll mention it again here. I higher level games having a rep tool in your hand instead of a gun usually means you are soon to be dead along with the person you are repping.

Given what I mentioned above can we have a grown up conversation about what a logi is supposed to do?

Why was the second equipment slot removed from the assault suit? Was it "too logi" for an assault to carry two equipments? I want it back, assaults should get two slots so we too could carry nanohives/uplinks/remotes and so on. Logis want to act as super assaults? Sure, but give us assaults a break here.

The issue I have with logis being better assaults than assaults is that there's no reason to even have "assault" if it's outperformed by another suit, while that suit is designed with something else in mind.

Tell me what is the role of the assault, if there's nothing wrong with logis outperforming them? Are we just your meatshields? What is my incentive of picking assault over logi?

Rep Tool should be your primary weapon.

Then you are supposed to carry proto uplinks, proto nanohives, proto needle, and then the 4th one is up to you based on your personal preference.

A true logi should never get a kill in a game, and should always strive to stay 30m+ from the frontline and 80m+ from any reds.

For a true logi, the lower your kdr the better.

Well your impression is incorrect and I've explained the role I play. The role I play is one that makes it's way into PC battles. It's not the role that blueberries yearn for in pub matches.

I wanted to try and become a high level player. I'm not elite by any means, but I'm a pretty solid player. I learned the playstyle from some top notch elite players.

I've topped 4000 WP in a match. That's tough to do outside of a tank with a defend order. I provide a ton of support. Just not with a rep tool.

Excuse me while I use you as an example of the stupidity plauging 90% of the forums.
Logis are NOT better assaults than assault suits.
Logis have more tanking ability, and as a result better survivability on the frontline. Guess why?
ASSAULT SUITS ARE NOT MEANT TO BE DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE ENEMY. THEY ARE FRONTLINE SUITS AS A SECONDARY ROLE.
heres the important part.
ASSAULT SUITS ARE MEANT TO FLANK. FLANK. FLANK.
Jesus i cannot stress this enough.
This is the reason they have better strafe,sprint, stamina, stamina regen and shield regen, they are meant for flanking, guerrilla warfare, and battle versatility. They excel first and foremost at flanking but perform other roles like frontlining ( a heavies job) too without being as effective.
Theres a reason the best players in the game use assaults suits, they flank constantly, using guerrilla warfare, and kill more than anyone by doing it, maintain 7+ KDRs.

Jesus christ if you think a logi is a better assault, you're just garbage, the defining characteristic is speed, and use of your speed.

I should have specified; my question is directed at logis, Calogi to be precise, not as a general question by a baffled individual.

In the previous build assaults had two equipment slots at proto level and that caused logis to be less useful, as you have stated above as well. What we have now is exactly the opposite. Calogis can outperform assaults and hereGÇÖs where the arguments come from.

If Calogis see no error in the fact that they are super assaults, then what is the role of the assault in this game? Why should anyone wanting to be an assault spec into assault suits? These were my original questions, directed at logis. Hope you got my point now.

Excuse me while I use you as an example of the stupidity plauging 90% of the forums.
Logis are NOT better assaults than assault suits.
Logis have more tanking ability, and as a result better survivability on the frontline. Guess why?
ASSAULT SUITS ARE NOT MEANT TO BE DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE ENEMY. THEY ARE FRONTLINE SUITS AS A SECONDARY ROLE.
heres the important part.
ASSAULT SUITS ARE MEANT TO FLANK. FLANK. FLANK.
Jesus i cannot stress this enough.
This is the reason they have better strafe,sprint, stamina, stamina regen and shield regen, they are meant for flanking, guerrilla warfare, and battle versatility. They excel first and foremost at flanking but perform other roles like frontlining ( a heavies job) too without being as effective.
Theres a reason the best players in the game use assaults suits, they flank constantly, using guerrilla warfare, and kill more than anyone by doing it, maintain 7+ KDRs.

Jesus christ if you think a logi is a better assault, you're just garbage, the defining characteristic is speed, and use of your speed.

I disagree, my impression is spot-on, it's just that you've been blinded by the "aggressive-run-and-gun-zerg-rush-we-are-major-league-gaming-athletes" playstyle that dominates PC from what I can gather.

Those "top-notch, elite players" have corrupted your understanding of what it is to be support. They have you believing that "Assault with a side order of support" is in fact the entree Support dish when it isn't.

I'm willing to bet that your 4000 WP games were when there was a defend order on a squadmate who was camping multiple nanos of yours along with the rest of your squad, which is essentially the same as the Frago'd tank when all of you are running calogi.

It's ok, we're not here to judge you, we're trying to give you the True Logi version of an Intervention.

We're doing this because we care, would you like a hug?

When did Assault get reinterpreted to mean Scout?

I have to call Bull Pucky on that. Even a Logi Bro needs to kill or drive off the enemy in order to revive a downed comrade. Passivist Logi are responsible for people not wanting to be revived anymore.

Mind pointing me to the assault suit that can carry 2, 3, or 4 equipments?

I seem to have missed those, thanks man, appreciate the help.

The same logic that says Logis should never be used for assault dictates that assault and scouts should never carry support equipment.

Not my fault you took a different interpretation away from his post. I agree with his assessment, apparently you do as well. However, I get the impression that he is talking about actually playing as support with the wide-range of support options rather than abusing the support options by using them (fully or otherwise) to enhance assault capabilities (which is the impression I get from you).

Sorry, but I'm gonna have to side with Thor and say that you're the one who's wrong. The zerg type play style you describe is what's dominant in PC right now because that is just what works best in Dust atm.

People seem to have this mystical vision of the perfect logi that never picks up a gun but is extremely effective merely by boosting the effectiveness of the teammates. What I'm saying is that this is an illusion, and currently doesn't really have a place at high levels of competitive play. I don't even know if this 'pacifist logi' that people seem to want is even what CCP intends. The reality is that a logi still has to be another gun-toting member of the team.

They shouldn't be able to PRIMARY as assaults

I don't remember the last time I saw a scout or assault PRIMARY as support.

Go figure

What this guy said.

I have not now, nor ever, stated that Logis should be pacifists. Logis do need to be able to kill, though not nearly with the efficiency of Assaults. Logis should worry more about focusing fire on reddots that are trying to kill them or their teammates. Outside of that, Logis should be more opportunistic with their killing as killing isn't their primary intended role, Support is (laying equipment to fortify blue objectives, repair/resupply/revive etc).

Logi == Support
Logi != Pacifist

IMO A logi is supposed to have enough health and firepower to SUPPORT the team, sticking mostly behind te frontline assault players, or to a heavy (tank), only really using its firearm when its an absolute nessisity, to clear an area and revive, or provide covering fire while its heavy is reloading. (Mass driver for area denial, causing enemies to take cover, maybe getting a kill it two in the process when extra fire power is required in the squad for advancement)

The current issue that most players are having is that the Cal Logi suit was the only logi suit that could fill 3 rolls at once: Assault, support, and tank.

It is the only suit that can run proto weapons/equipment, and moduels at the same time without a CPU or PG extender, giving it the ability to not only be a "jack of all trades" but a "master of all trades" as well.
The lack of side arm was never a major issue as a Cal Logi because the reload speed on the AR is 3 sec standard, 2.55 sec with reload fully maxed out, and in those 3 sec, your shields are already coming back due to the fact that the shield recharge delay timer is still set to start after the first hit, not the last. (As a Cal Assault main account, and Cal Logi Alt to "see what all the fuss was about)

Just my opinion, take from it what you will.

For a true logi, the lower your kdr the better.