Rep Tool should be your primary weapon.

Then you are supposed to carry proto uplinks, proto nanohives, proto needle, and then the 4th one is up to you based on your personal preference.

A true logi should never get a kill in a game, and should always strive to stay 30m+ from the frontline and 80m+ from any reds.

For a true logi, the lower your kdr the better.

This is certainly what it seems people want.

The role of a logi is support, mostly medical support but other kinds as well.

Whether your healing a heavy

Reviving a teammate

or simple placing uplinks all those help the team.

I honestly don't believe the Logistics suit should be used for any sort of frontline combat.

We have an Assault suit for that.

A true logi should never get a kill in a game, and should always strive to stay 30m+ from the frontline and 80m+ from any reds.

For a true logi, the lower your kdr the better.

But my frustrations stem from this notion that I'm not a logi if I don't have a rep tool or that I can go 30-1 in a match as a logi.

While going 30-1 I can still accumulate more WP from support than killing. What is wrong with that? Serious question

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Why do you get to bask in the glory of excelling at two roles when everyone else is stuck with one role?

Serious question

Or simple placing uplinks all those help the team.

I honestly don't believe the Logistics suit should be used for any sort of frontline combat.

We have an Assault suit for that.

Fine with me, just let me respec out of logi first.

See now heres where the stupid comes in.
This game is made of 16 v 16 battles. In skirmish the mode that counts, there are multiple hot zones, further splitting your 16 man team.
This means You'll be running with either 3 other squadmates, 4, or 5. When the hotzones have this few players involved, you can't afford to have a logi not using his gun. If you have a 4v4 or 6v6 hotzone and your logi isnt another gun on the field it becomes 6v5, or 4v3, this is a HUGE difference.
If your logi has no combat ability, then you are completely worthless, logi or not.
If you are not engaging the enemy, then you are nowhere near being useful, and your spot should be taken by an assault.
So many logis out there are garbage and make no difference in battles because they dont engage the enemy, they only try to heal, and their team loses because not enough people are fighting back.
You fighting and engaging the enemy is mandatory no matter your role.
Yet people say logis shouldnt fight? Ok ret@rd go back to cod where you dont have to think.

This, people actually get angry when you don't have a rep tool. I'm not for the whole butt plug in a heavy logi thing that has plagued dust. I like to be on the frontlines its what makes the game fun for me.

It seems pretty straight forward to me. Assault is frontline, the first to catch a bullet and the most likely to go down while breaking through enemy lines. Logi is the second row. Setting up uplinks for reinforcements, supporting fire, keeping assaults alive / watching their backs, and finally mopping up everything that's left when the dust has settled (if it ever does).

Both are combat roles by necessity, but it should be clear why each role requires a different focus. If Logis are the better frontline fighters, then that is certainly backwards.

I see the logistics as being about flexibility. Corporations can certainly define their preferred roles based on their own experience and tactics. The suit frame itself is about being able to develop your own tactics with a reduction in weapon options once on the field.

You decide your role unless you work with a team that tells you what to do.

This is the way it is in high level matches. And that's the bottom line.

Most players haven't experienced this yet. And I think it's a problem for everyone going forward.

If they nerf the killing ability of logis they simply won't have a place in PC.

There is a VAST majority of players in this game that play a logi medic role. Because of our experiences in PC we've asked them to skill into nanohives and uplinks instead of reptools and to forgo the nanite injector.

Out of 200 players in our corp it seems that 50% of them are logi medics. As people get antsy about getting into PC battles it's tough because we only field 1 or 2 logi medics in a 16 man team.

Try going against Outer Heaven with 3 or 4 guys with a rep tool in their hand. Hell they kicked our ass with only 1 guy trying to keep the heavies alive. They will stomp your ass. They will kill the logi and the heavy with a quickness.

It surprises me to see some of the comments from people in corps that I know do not field many logi medics in their PC squads.

I can understand wanting to change this, but I don't see evidence of CCP being able to balance properly.

Agreed, I am wanting to spec into the caldar assault so much to not have a nerfed suit, and because of the skills i have specced being suitable, but then i think of role in PC i can fulfill staying as good logi and being very helpful to the team. and im torn, i might just have to see how bad the callogis nerf is be4 i spend any sp....but it looks pretty bad.

Logis are assault but get only one weapon and in return are able to carry more crap.

Wait a min....

How come the "logis are only support only ever and can't shoot and have no health" crowd are not complaining about Assault and Scouts carrying injectors and revers and nanohives and droplinks?

If Logis are supposed to be support what the hell are those scouts and assaults doing with all that support stuff?

If they are better frontline fighters it's because of the person using the suit not because of the suit.

Wow.... I am just in awe of this thread right now. I came in expecting the usual crap of "OMG Logis do everything tha best!!!11!!", but instead I find some realistic and meaningful discussion of the current situation logis are in. Color me surprised.

That said, I agree very much with what THE AMAZING POTHEAD has been saying. Sorry, I forget who said it, but saying "A Logi's primary weapon should be his repair tool" is just ridiculous. We are playing a game where we are fighting to kill one another, and to be worthwhile, a Logi has to help out in that aspect. At the beginning of any fight, when everyone's shields are still up, if you are using your rep tool then you are being useless. As a Logi I go into every fight with my primary out ready to fight. If we win quickly and nobody takes armor damage, then it's damn good that I didn't have my rep tool out. If the fight is even or going badly, then I will likely switch out of my primary weapon and to my rep tool midway through the fight to save the assaults/heavies in my squad. It's good to have the medic options there, but a logi still has to be a fighter first and foremost.