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Aquinarius Zoltanus
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:46:00 -
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Wow.... I am just in awe of this thread right now. I came in expecting the usual crap of "OMG Logis do everything tha best!!!11!!", but instead I find some realistic and meaningful discussion of the current situation logis are in. Color me surprised.
That said, I agree very much with what THE AMAZING POTHEAD has been saying. Sorry, I forget who said it, but saying "A Logi's primary weapon should be his repair tool" is just ridiculous. We are playing a game where we are fighting to kill one another, and to be worthwhile, a Logi has to help out in that aspect. At the beginning of any fight, when everyone's shields are still up, if you are using your rep tool then you are being useless. As a Logi I go into every fight with my primary out ready to fight. If we win quickly and nobody takes armor damage, then it's damn good that I didn't have my rep tool out. If the fight is even or going badly, then I will likely switch out of my primary weapon and to my rep tool midway through the fight to save the assaults/heavies in my squad. It's good to have the medic options there, but a logi still has to be a fighter first and foremost. |
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:24:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:
Just to give all the kids an idea of what it's like in a higher tier corp, how many logi medics do you guys field in a PC match?
2-3 I'd say. Never more than one per squad in PC, and we generally run 3 squads. |
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:31:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:
Just to give all the kids an idea of what it's like in a higher tier corp, how many logi medics do you guys field in a PC match?
2-3 I'd say. Never more than one per squad in PC, and we generally run 3 squads. I hope people are paying attention to this. And those 2-3 people you put in there. Are they killers?
I see where you're going :) And I agree so I'll play along.
Yes, they are killers because otherwise they wouldn't be able to justify why they deserve a spot in a high stakes PC match. |
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Posted - 2013.07.23 18:01:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:
I disagree, my impression is spot-on, it's just that you've been blinded by the "aggressive-run-and-gun-zerg-rush-we-are-major-league-gaming-athletes" playstyle that dominates PC from what I can gather.
Those "top-notch, elite players" have corrupted your understanding of what it is to be support. They have you believing that "Assault with a side order of support" is in fact the entree Support dish when it isn't.
I'm willing to bet that your 4000 WP games were when there was a defend order on a squadmate who was camping multiple nanos of yours along with the rest of your squad, which is essentially the same as the Frago'd tank when all of you are running calogi.
It's ok, we're not here to judge you, we're trying to give you the True Logi version of an Intervention.
We're doing this because we care, would you like a hug?
Sorry, but I'm gonna have to side with Thor and say that you're the one who's wrong. The zerg type play style you describe is what's dominant in PC right now because that is just what works best in Dust atm.
People seem to have this mystical vision of the perfect logi that never picks up a gun but is extremely effective merely by boosting the effectiveness of the teammates. What I'm saying is that this is an illusion, and currently doesn't really have a place at high levels of competitive play. I don't even know if this 'pacifist logi' that people seem to want is even what CCP intends. The reality is that a logi still has to be another gun-toting member of the team. |
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Posted - 2013.07.23 18:21:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:
I have not now, nor ever, stated that Logis should be pacifists. Logis do need to be able to kill, though not nearly with the efficiency of Assaults. Logis should worry more about focusing fire on reddots that are trying to kill them or their teammates. Outside of that, Logis should be more opportunistic with their killing as killing isn't their primary intended role, Support is (laying equipment to fortify blue objectives, repair/resupply/revive etc).
Logi == Support
Logi != Pacifist
Sorry, I was exaggerating for effect. I know that nobody is saying that logis shouldn't kill anyone at all. Please just re-read my post and replace 'pacifist' with 'pure support'.
PS: Zdub, totally missed your sarcasm on that first post, but looking back it's an obvious parody on how some people think of the logi. Well played. |
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Posted - 2013.07.23 18:27:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:
For a true logi, the lower your kdr the better.
Let the record show: ZDub just said I was the ****.
Looks like you missed the same sarcasm that I did...
Unless you're playing along too....
Damnit sarcasm is so tough on the internet! |
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