Heres the problem, CCP and the CPM are constantly making changes to accomodate the group crying the loudest, in this instance is no diffrent. The number 1 and 2 players by kills are both Caldari Logis. Is it any wonder that people have found a dominant combonation of both suit and weapon? In some situations certain suits will always be dominant. The greater issue here to me is CCP changing the structural attributes and foundational base of the suits which I speced into based on those particular points. Obviously it was the superior suit which is why I choose it. I spent 100 dollars on an elite pack for Aur so that I could by boosters toget SP faster to spec into something that you offered now you are taking that product away without offering any type of respec? I think that you will find we first person shooters are a bit more intolerant of these changes than your average space nerd might be, if you want the loyalty of the average fps we want consistency and not to have a dominant combo we discover yanked because of those who QQ do so loudly. What happened to "You war your way?" My Caldari Logi didn't come with instructions on how to use it, I see that Ccp doesn't want us to be creative in a persistent universe they want rote drones that play the game the way they want it played, nevermind to your creative whims petty dust bunnies. Let me know how long that lasts... These cry babies don't want balance they want fair, and they think that there should always be a fair chance of getting the kill like in COD. If balance means equal then why have diffrent suits, just make them all the same.

Problem with your statement is you are trying to tell us how to use a logi suit. Its our game shouldnt we get to decide?

Problem with your statement is you are trying to tell us how to use a logi suit. Its our game shouldnt we get to decide?

You guys are literally the cancer of this game. If you don't want to play a support role, then you shouldn't choose a support role. Do we really want to wait a month or two of CCP not doing **** in fixing the game just so they can roll out a few respecs a day because you guys proved once again how ****** you are at speccing into things? Don't skill into the OP thing of the build and then ***** when it gets nerfed. Literally ********.

What the hell does that mean? We skilled a suit we liked just like everyone else, problem is the best players in the game all seen the best choice was creative enough to use that suit to WIN which I thought was the goal, the people who made the wrong play style choices cried about it, with their we are the 99 percent mentality and now CCP in its ever glorious wisdom has used its Obama like omnipotence to make right the its not fairs of New Eden with a stimulus of redistribution of CPU's, thereby fundamentally changing what we spent money on to purchase boosters and acquire skill points to spec the suit, and while I think in the long run this communist attempt at balancing suits through trying to eliminate strenghts and weaknesses will cost CCP the market in fps as they obviously do not understand the fps mentality which does not correlate with the average eve space nerd, for now I will be content with a full respec. As for the argument of the suit its self this suit is balanced, but bad players fail, and there are more of them now than not. The Cal Logi is slow, has no stamina, has a huge weakness in shields called c7 and allotek flux grenades, which can wipe us of almost all HP in one shot leaving most of us easily wiped, this question of why we don't see them more is a simple one and ties directly into ccp other nerfs, flaylock and contact grenades, ccp has decided to nerf both of these due to an increase in both, what they are obviously to ignorant to see is the huge increase in flaylocks kills is due to it being a finishing weapon, and though most of the damage was done by something else the flaylock usually finishes them off, as for the contact grenade, the answer is also very simple contact grenade use and kills both went up as a counter to the flaylock, and its working. This is the game balancing its self out this is what makes the potential of this game beautiful. You people have got to understand that in order for this game to be diverse we have got to have diffrences which means unequal. If you constantly complain to ccp to balance this game you won't have one people will leave. That may work in eve, but in a game where fighting is up close and personal, your reflexes and decisions depend on the knowledge of consistent mechanis working the same way, of the ranges and distances of your play style along with the equipment we shoot and throw, we like our games that are in full release not be tinkered with so frequently, I don't know who is giving you your advice ccp but take it from a fps from the days of quake, doom, right through to halo 1 ce for pc, bf, cod, and many others if you want a strong market to sell the goods made by the space nerds in eve to then you have to make basic things like suits and guns sacred, that's our base our foundation, leave them alone. As for the theme of dust I thought it was "your war your way" but apparently its our war their way.....

Dude you are just pissed because they made it so you cant tank it that well any more and turn it into a assault suit im glad they nerfed it because people like you made this game bad because you are not letting people who get assault suits win fights

Cross, don't you think its a sort of zero sum game at this point. Any gank/dps/slayer bonus you add to assaults makes everyone less survivable? So aren't we just left with trying to facilitate logistics racial 'synergy' with general play styles of slayers?

I'm wondering if what CCP is saying that they are doing now is giving everything a:

Racial specialization bonus-suit bonus-and role bonus?

Check my "Nanohive Alchemy" post and give some feedback there if you would please. I think one last thing that armor tanking is really missing it the evolution of its meta; is ALOT more healing nanohives on the field. Assaults should be running around with a mix of allotek hives, and other ammo hives, and I've found that it really buffs my team to have triage hives around, not to mention it is fairly risk free point gain.

I'm predicting a come back of the laser rifle, soon, and a nerf to the flaylock will mean a much healthier margin for armor tankers. In addition we will start to see the remaining weapons trickle in. The rail weapons will fill out, which will also mean some more challenges for armor tanks, they will also likely be the smarter weapons for armor tankers to equip with some of the best precision for longer range attacks.

Also with the addition of the plasma and laser heavy weapons, the anti-shield stand-off weapons will finally come into play. The plasma heavy weapon will probably be the most deadly weapon out there. The availability of a wide range of side-arms, especially the hybrid rail variants, will very likely mean that a lot of assaults will effectively have two light weapons.

I just don't know if I'd push that much harder for balance until we get all the weapons that are out there. And even then, people have to skill in to them, the community then has to learn the counters and things then have to settle down.

Cross, don't you think its a sort of zero sum game at this point. Any gank/dps/slayer bonus you add to assaults makes everyone less survivable? So aren't we just left with trying to facilitate logistics racial 'synergy' with general play styles of slayers?

I'm wondering if what CCP is saying that they are doing now is giving everything a:

Racial specialization bonus-suit bonus-and role bonus?

Check my "Nanohive Alchemy" post and give some feedback there if you would please. I think one last thing that armor tanking is really missing it the evolution of its meta; is ALOT more healing nanohives on the field. Assaults should be running around with a mix of allotek hives, and other ammo hives, and I've found that it really buffs my team to have triage hives around, not to mention it is fairly risk free point gain.

I'm predicting a come back of the laser rifle, soon, and a nerf to the flaylock will mean a much healthier margin for armor tankers. In addition we will start to see the remaining weapons trickle in. The rail weapons will fill out, which will also mean some more challenges for armor tanks, they will also likely be the smarter weapons for armor tankers to equip with some of the best precision for longer range attacks.

Also with the addition of the plasma and laser heavy weapons, the anti-shield stand-off weapons will finally come into play. The plasma heavy weapon will probably be the most deadly weapon out there. The availability of a wide range of side-arms, especially the hybrid rail variants, will very likely mean that a lot of assaults will effectively have two light weapons.

I just don't know if I'd push that much harder for balance until we get all the weapons that are out there. And even then, people have to skill in to them, the community then has to learn the counters and things then have to settle down.

What gives you the right to take everything away from cal logi and give us nothing in return.

While I agree with you on your points, something needs to be done when changes are implemented that affect items either positively or negatively so that those who have been playing the game are not penalized for spending their sp, but you also need to remember that ccp does not make changes to one category of items time and time again so those who spec into the flavor of the week will get stuck with it for a while. Another side benefit of a partial respec as you pointed out, people might be able to spec into proto versions and then that would give feedback to ccp faster if they need to re-balance.

Remember we are the testers for the game, even though the game is "released" it is not "a release quality" and as such ccp needs to keep tweaking things and as testers that are not paid (us), we should be compensated for our support of the game and the frustration that is experienced as ccp gets things working.

My suggestion for some type of policy to deal with this is needed and I am more than willing to support someone elses suggestion to deal with policy if it solves the problem better than my suggestion, that is why I posted this so that people can come up with something to deal with this problem and hopefully ccp will listen and implement it.

Thanks for the feedback