I kind of wish we had a support weapon slot, for MD's, LR, PLC, Shotgun, Sniper and Swarm, to distinguish from "Rifles". Then Logis could be good at them, and bad at the others.

It don't matter what gun I use lol I use an exile in PC brah so I'll say what I want when I want got it and like I said I'm not for sidearm only logi read my responses again I just don't want equipment spammer logi slayers LIKE YOU! Ruining it for the rest of us! Anyone else use the old Callogi for a logi before the CPU Nerf? If you don't know what I'm talking about you don't know the pain I've went through because of people like you! So go ahead say what you want. OPEN BETA LOGI MYSELF

Dear players,

here we have the weirdest slot progression in all of DUST 514.

I tried once before, was washed away in a tidal wave of tears, but now we must once more unto the breach.
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Amarr Sidearm = Trade Equipment, Low Slot or both?
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Equipment normalized progression: 2/3/4 STD/ADV/PRO
High/Low normalized progression based on Minmatar: 4/6/8 STD/ADV/PRO

I am sitting on a community proposal as well, that I will factor in with your direct forum feedback.

I kind of wish we had a support weapon slot, for MD's, LR, PLC, Shotgun, Sniper and Swarm, to distinguish from "Rifles". Then Logis could be good at them, and bad at the others.

I kind of wish we had a support weapon slot, for MD's, LR, PLC, Shotgun, Sniper and Swarm, to distinguish from "Rifles". Then Logis could be good at them, and bad at the others.

PG/CPU will certainly be normalized, for poor Calogi. I suspect it was being punished for old sins, that's the only rational reason I see for the capacity difference.

Amarr Sidearm = Trade Equipment, Low Slot or both?
Caldari Extra High Slot = Trade Equipment, Light weapon down grade to Sidearm, or both

Equipment normalized progression: 2/3/4 STD/ADV/PRO
High/Low normalized progression based on Minmatar: 4/6/8 STD/ADV/PRO

Support/utility weapon slot

U designation on fitting screen

Can fit:

Side Arm
Light weapon (x% penalty to fitting)
Utility weapons

Okay hardcore dudebrah, you use an exile in PC. Here's a cookie. So you used tre cal logi when it was the slayer fit of choice and stuck with it. Calm your ****.

Open beta crap doesnt fly with me, open beta Minmatar logi myself, 54 million SP later its the first and last suit I have at proto.

I'm talking since it was the least popular medium suit in all of dust, when it had the hacking bonus. So no, I don't know nor care about 'the pain' of getting my logi nerfed because it was a slayer fit of choice.

Only after all the equipment got nerfed (shall we say rebalanced), and I had to diversify my suits to get the most out of what worked well on just one, my minmatar.

Logis still have the light weapon like always and have the worst K/S ratio of all the suits to boot. So your slayer logis fears are pulled straight out of 2013, because it hasn't been like that for a long time. But dont take my word for it, here ya go, have Rattatis data insight, and gain some insight.

EDIT: We are starting to derail this thread into 'who's a true logi', we can continue this argument in GD, but lets just leave this thread for feedback on the slots.

So you don't know what I'm talking about. I used the callogi as a logi from the first day it came out. It was a fabulous suit in fact it was so good everyone in PC started using it to slay. I don't care if people used it to slay that's there choice, but it got hit with the Nerf hammer so hard it quickly became the worst suit in the game. I don't want to re-live it. Im willing to give up killing power for my logis to run faster and have more HP. If we're going to change it that's the direction I would like to see it go.

As slot progression goes I think the 4/4/4 at proto should be good for all amarr and cal to lose 1 equipment slot for sidearm is fine. I like Sabers new idea of % fitting cost for light weapon that's the best I've heard so far. That way guys like me could run a sidearm and get full fitting with better speed and HP. Guys like you would have to trade some fitting to run a light weapon. I don't like the idea of any logi suit being less than 3 equipment slots hell a basic scout has 2.

The logi suit all need some more HP and speed so we can hang in the fight. Maybe give the assault suit 2 equipment slots I don't know slayer logi is not really a problem now but we can't keep up with the fight even using a lesser weapon because we are too slow to begin with. The basic gal and amarr logi suits are terrible and need to be fixed I'm not sure how to do that with 3 equipment slot but all basic logi suits need 3 to do the job.

Maybe a utility slot for all logi suits where a sidearm would go with flat slot progression use it for equip if you want or put a sidearm with a fitting cost 2/2/2 for basic 3/2/3 for adv 4/3/4 reduction all would have the utility slot and a % fitting reduction cost if a light weapon is used, if a side arm is used another fitting reduction

Just going to echo what most seem to be on board with:

All Logis

4 Equipment slots
1 Light Weapon slot
0 Sidearm slot
1 Grenade slot


Edit: The extra low and missing equipment slot on the Caldari Logistics coupled with the missing low and missing equipment slot on the Amarr Logistics and the Sidearm on the Amarr Logistics are design (flaws) relics from a different era.
They are inconsistent with not only the Logistics role but also inconsistent with the layout for dropsuit roles in general.

The gap between the Logistics Suits and the Assault Suits can be bridged (not only for 1 race but for all of them) by giving the Medium Frames a 2nd Equipment Slot.

I kind of wish we had a support weapon slot, for MD's, LR, PLC, Shotgun, Sniper and Swarm, to distinguish from "Rifles". Then Logis could be good at them, and bad at the others.

I'd like to remind people that the primary argument for the amarr keeping their sidearm last time was to defend their uplinks... with the changes to bandwidth and the MASSIVE buffs to carried equipment the need to 'defend' uplinks on the logi itself is no longer quite the case. Where previously the amarr logi could only carry 2 - 3 uplinks in a single equipment slot and could only have that many (of one type) active without suit swaps or doubling up on the same piece of equipment (something no one did), it lead to a lot of backtracking to supply depots when an uplink got destroyed as well as a lot of suit swapping to maximize the number of uplinks one could have out.

Now you can carry 4-6 uplinks per equipment slot at any given time and having an uplink get destroyed isn't as big of a deal in regards to backtracking as it was previously - you just set out a new piece of equipment. Nor does the amarr logi have to constantly wander as far away from its squad to continually deploy new uplinks and swap suits as it did previously. Emphasis is really placed on having higher quality uplinks more often than having one of *every* uplink out.

The crux of the old arguments for the amarr packing a sidearm now falls flat in light of the big (and largely positive) changes to equipment. It's time for the amarr logi to become 'standardized' and give up that sidearm slot in exchange for an equipment (which I'm sure that plenty of amarr logi's would find incredibly more useful). Previous concerns in regards to deployable equipment have been very meaningfully addressed by a number of changes that rattati has made.

With the higher bandwidth cap present on amarr logi's it would actually be greatly to the benefit of amarr logi's to trade that sidearm for a fourth equipment (two sets of different uplinks while still carrying injector & rep tool? options for proxy mines or nanohives or scanners? yes please!).


All logi's should have 8 slots, a grenade, a light weapon, NO SIDEARM and four equipment slots.

I can live with this.
+1

Weapon range is an extremely important factor. A 25% reduction in weapons range on a logi would stop the slayer logi FoTM.

If I may weigh in here sir,

Grenades are traditionally a frontline attack mode issued to personnel involved in breaching, patrolling and active defense.

They are not normally issued among combat engineers, medics and logistics crews under most circumstances.

Battle rifles and sidearms are more common for personal defense when tasked to frontline units.

To be honest grenades are more useful to assaults and scouts than to logis and sentinels. Machinegun teams tend to be more focused on feeding the bullet devourer. But they still get issued them.

I'm not sure this would be the right direction to go but I see where you're coming from.

With buffed speed, eHP, fittings, and a sidearm I'll be a part of the hoards of slayer logis. I asked myself what I would need to keep me in a proper Slayer Assault, with it's paltry reload bonus, and the answer is a disincentive to use light weapons on a logi.

I would also favor the sidearm only option if it came with some sort of buff...like dual sidearms and a sidearm range bonus. A Scrambler Pistol and a Bolt Pistol combo would be fun. I don't do that on the Assault any more because of the range handicap vs Light Weapons.

Well as a personal opinion, i think the differentiation between the roles, or that advantage, should be tied to secondary attributes (namely bonuses and things like a Scout's Cloak or a Commando's two weapons) rather than the defensive slots themselves.

I think perhaps what is truly lacking here is "What can the Assault do that a Logistics suit will never be able to do?" and that should really be the primary focus here when trying to differentiate the two in ways the other cannot emulate. I mean if you think about it, the Assault is really the only specialty suit that doesn't have it's own gimick. Sentinels = Heavy Weapon, Commando = 2 Light Weapons, Scouts = Cloaks, Logis = Equipment.

If we want to make the Assaults shine, they need to have something special that no other suit can fit/replicate.

I'm not sure this would be the right direction to go but I see where you're coming from.

Maybe a ... slot for all logi suits where a sidearm would go with flat slot progression use it for equip if you want or put a sidearm ...

Its the wrong way to go. The pg/cpu reduction coupled with the eq fitting bonuses should limit the pure slaying fittings enough to discourage their use by fotm slayers. Actual slayers, slayer players not slayerfit players, will effectively slay in any fit regardless. Fotm slayers however will look elsewhere if the final fit potential for slaying isn't relatively "the best". And that happens inside the cpu/pg/eq prioritized fitting.

Worst-case scenario, should this proposed solution (limit logi damage/range) become absolutely neccessary the better option would still be to not do it but instead to add a basic damage mod to the Assault profile, 3 or 4% built in. Doesn't gimp us and incentivises the Assault further for explicit slaying use.

Well, Rattati was looking for a way to discourage Light Rifles. If you gimp the range on the rifiles, you would see a lot more support weapons.