+3% per level to HP restored on injectors in addition to the hive bonus? (Would say 4%, but wouldn't want to make the State Kaal needle pointless.) Instantly makes it more useful in the combat zone, especially keeping high HP suits up and pushing.

I say it again:
nanohive bonuses are useless. Nobody wants them, nobody needs them cause every 1 can carry 6 nanohives and replenish ammo allready fast enough with X-3 quantum nanohives. I want that the cal. logi gets a complete revamp on its bonus. It should be the logi which aids shield suits in combat. It should be the exact mirror to the min. logi with a shield recharger tool instead of a reptool.

I say it again:
nanohive bonuses are useless. Nobody wants them, nobody needs them cause every 1 can carry 6 nanohives and replenish ammo allready fast enough with X-3 quantum nanohives. I want that the cal. logi gets a complete revamp on its bonus. It should be the logi which aids shield suits in combat. It should be the exact mirror to the min. logi with a shield recharger tool instead of a reptool.

El just spitballing, but something like say, 18% resistance to splash damage for nanohives per level for callogi? So direct hits would still take them out, but at level 5 callogi they only take 10% damage from grenades/mass drivers (Flux damage is absolutely insane though, so this might need tweaking yet).

And bright cloud, maybe lay off being quite so argumentative and willing to attack others or call them names, lets have a civil discussion here rather than just calling other people ****ING IDIOTS!

A civil discussion can only be achieved with people who play competetive. 90% of the players that give feedback in this thread probs havent played a single PC match or are playing in the scrub bracket of the matchmaking. You can come back if you at least achieve a weekly K/D of 3 with the current matchmaking without redline sniping.

EDIT: Or how about (if possible) Cal deployables got some sort of extra flux resistance? They're "the shield" race so it'd kinda work lore-wise that the CalLogi can "build" a shield buffer for all its deployables which would basically equate to extra flux resistance. Yeah, anyone can drop a hive but only the CalLogi can crank up their utility and survivability.

This is an incredibly ironic statement consider flux damage is more or less EM damage.....and Caldari of all the races have the worst shield resistance values against EM........

That's why I wanted the flux grenade to go to the Amarr and I want Gallente to have a Molotav Cocktail type grenade.... You Trying to hack Alpha? *Throws Freedom Margarita and effect lingers for 7 seconds.

Flashbangs *****!

Light > EM

Logistics something something something......

This is outright incorrect and serves only to paint you as an idiot. Thanks for holding up a sign that says "Ignore me / I'm a judgemental prick" though.

All constructive feedback has value - not necessarily EQUAL value, but it has value. No matter who it comes from. Being good at a videogame is not a requirement of being intelligent or being capable of critical thought... and this thread isn't asking for people to be good at dust, it's asking for intelligent discussion and critical thought.



Shields aren't about mobility though, I'm not sure where you got that from - they're about relatively quick turn arounds and to a lesser extent the ability to function independently. 'Stationary' play in itself has value because in order to win most matches you need to hold objectives... not chase an enemy to the red line and crush them. Most caldari suits that I play with also run a bit of armor (a plate or a reactive plate of some kind) and while their primary tank is on shields, they certainly enjoy having triage hives available to them.


Reptools are a utility item, they can be used to repair any suit, not just heavies or assaults. I don't have much disagreement with your statement about shields needing some sort of ability to recover under fire (an inhibition value that ignores low damage amounts maybe?). Unless you're using proto rep tools, they can only be used on one person at a time. A wiyrkomi triage hive can heal as many people as it has nanites and will fit in it.

EDIT: Or how about (if possible) Cal deployables got some sort of extra flux resistance?.

1)Just stop arguing you put plates on a caldari suit which is allready enough of a indicator that you are a scrub. If you want to armor tank then chose gallente or amarr. And ofcourse shields are about mobility thats why kincats and kardio regulators are LOWSLOT MODULES. They enhance your sprint speed and stamina. What you think amarr assaults run usually? kincats and shields not bricktank to the max like a scrublord as yourself.

2)About "every feedback has value":
no it doesnt, veteran players with alot of gameplay experience are the main group which should be heard. The scrubs should take a number and wait till the important things that those people pushing for are accomplished. Prime example of stupid feedback can be seen in this very thread where the devs actually play with the thought to give logis only sidearms. Yeah right that idea was born from morons for morons. None of the decent playerbase asked for this nor is it necessary.

3)Triage hive bonus is useless. Ofcourse it reps every 1 inside of it but that makes them the perfect target for a core locus grenade which could mean you lost 3 players to that silly thing. While the min. logi can sit over 20m away from its rep target and is with that near impossible to grenade.

4)Good players know every issue about the game and bypass it by adjusting their playstyle. Thats why in PC matches you allmost never see caldari suits due to their garbage damage output and their heavy cannot be supported with reps. The elite group figures out the next optimal thing to run after each patch in less then a day. Thats what makes them competetive. Every 1 else just copy pastes their playstyles and calls it a day.

4) This is largely too dumb to address or it doesn't make any actual points. That said though, I was under the impression that the cal sentinel was relatively popular in PC due to its resistance to the hmg (though it was outshone by the amarr sentinel that could stack a lot more hp), they both had pretty decent representation.

I kind of wish we had a support weapon slot, for MD's, LR, PLC, Shotgun, Sniper and Swarm, to distinguish from "Rifles". Then Logis could be good at them, and bad at the others.

Part of me really likes this idea, but then there is the little voice in my head that screams in protest.

You would be pinning a more AV role to a Logi and leaving them almost defensless unless at a range, minus the shotgun. Maybe if you are looking to make the logis poopy with Rifles, you should make a new weapon, possibly similar to a taser or that shoots a charge to disable the enemy electronic system, rendering their weapons useless for a couple seconds to get far enough away.

Just an idea.

Though you may want to make it a new class of weapon only available to logi so that it is not abused.

This is an incredibly ironic statement consider flux damage is more or less EM damage.....and Caldari of all the races have the worst shield resistance values against EM........

That's why I wanted the flux grenade to go to the Amarr and I want Gallente to have a Molotav Cocktail type grenade.... You Trying to hack Alpha? *Throws Freedom Margarita and effect lingers for 7 seconds.

El just spitballing, but something like say, 18% resistance to splash damage for nanohives per level for callogi? So direct hits would still take them out, but at level 5 callogi they only take 10% damage from grenades/mass drivers (Flux damage is absolutely insane though, so this might need tweaking yet).

And bright cloud, maybe lay off being quite so argumentative and willing to attack others or call them names, lets have a civil discussion here rather than just calling other people ****ING IDIOTS!

I get what he's trying to say but without some heavy running and addition to more weapons that probably wouldn't work out well.

Why would a Logistics need a sniper rifle though? Or a PLC?

I get Mass Driver and LR. Those are suppression weapons clearly. Shotguns? As long as your squad can take out further out targets that get too close with your shotgun so I guess that's fine.

PLC and Sniper? Maybe if the PLC had a specific anti infantry variant and definitely not a sniper. Got lets not bring useless sniper logics back that just sat on 6 Triage Nanohives in the redline doing nothing for his team. Swarms? Why?

Mass Drivers for artillery suppression and the LR is the closest thing we have to the purpose of a Light machine gun. Suppressive fire from down range.

We need more weapons like that really.


Honestly, in my rambling my biggest issue is still wondering what in the world is the purpose of the Commando?

PLC on a Logi is awesome. I mostly use it on my Amarrs but I'll run it with any of them. Its extremely versatile being anti-infantry AND anti-vehicle and when a heavy/logi blob watches their own be immolated by a PLC (my allotek before a lot of the applicable bonusing already does 1900 some-odd damage) they slow down and scatter quick.

I felt bad in one of the PCs I did a couple weeks ago, I had an overwatching postion and a friendly heavy down below me got bored and started sending some hmg bursts at me, keeping me frosty I'll assume. Well, I sent a couple un-actually aimed plc rounds his way and sure as **** hit him with one (dude had been shooting at me, mind you) killing him. He was not happy. But thats the power of a PLC, even for a Logi.

Why not take downgrade the light weapon from CA to sidearm and leave the EQ? that's what I was thinking.

Maybe it's my OCD, but no. This would just be re-introducing the asymmetry that existed with the Amarr logi all over again. These are logi suits; keep it focused on the equipment and let them have a light weapon to do some shooty shooty when they need to.

And why should the race that has a long range combat philosophy only have a sidearm?