Nade lost on logis and giving them all side arms instead would make them distinctively disadvantaged vs an assault.

Your talking about taking 2 things away BIG DIFFERENCE! As I said I wouldn't mind if you made logis sidearm only wouldn't change my play style at all. But trying to Nerf logis because you aren't one or you don't see their worth makes no sense to me. Why do you hate logis so much? So if a logi had a sidearm and a grenade not even a locust he could do everything!?!?! Ridiculous

Edit get some sleep, take a breath, or take a walk and think about what you are saying your a CPM FFS!

No. Hell no. Most all dedicated Logis dont want the amarr to lose a light weapon and a sidearm, let alone making all of the logis sidearm only. Please, just stop.

These two are really, really bad ideas.

Personally I like to use a Mass Driver with my Minmatar Logistics.

I typically use it as a bombardment tool to keep enemies behind cover from a distance while my heavy/assaults/commandos push up across the open to pin and finish said enemies off. Alternatively it pushes enemies OUT of cover, into the higher direct DPS fire of my allies.

Could I do this with a sidearm? Well the only option would be a flaylock I suppose, and that lacks the range or splash damage to really work in the fashion I use my Mass Driver.


Similarly, I will often use a Laser Rifle on my Amarr Logi to keep enemies behind cover and for the psychological effect that I can typically control their movements and 'push' them towards and unfavorable position where the rest of my team can more readily kill them. There are really no sidearms that replicate the effect of the Laser Rifle, so I can't really go that route either.

I kind of wish we had a support weapon slot, for MD's, LR, PLC, Shotgun, Sniper and Swarm, to distinguish from "Rifles". Then Logis could be good at them, and bad at the others.

I'd like to remind people that the primary argument for the amarr keeping their sidearm last time was to defend their uplinks... with the changes to bandwidth and the MASSIVE buffs to carried equipment the need to 'defend' uplinks on the logi itself is no longer quite the case. Where previously the amarr logi could only carry 2 - 3 uplinks in a single equipment slot and could only have that many (of one type) active without suit swaps or doubling up on the same piece of equipment (something no one did), it lead to a lot of backtracking to supply depots when an uplink got destroyed as well as a lot of suit swapping to maximize the number of uplinks one could have out.

Now you can carry 4-6 uplinks per equipment slot at any given time and having an uplink get destroyed isn't as big of a deal in regards to backtracking as it was previously - you just set out a new piece of equipment. Nor does the amarr logi have to constantly wander as far away from its squad to continually deploy new uplinks and swap suits as it did previously. Emphasis is really placed on having higher quality uplinks more often than having one of *every* uplink out.

The crux of the old arguments for the amarr packing a sidearm now falls flat in light of the big (and largely positive) changes to equipment. It's time for the amarr logi to become 'standardized' and give up that sidearm slot in exchange for an equipment (which I'm sure that plenty of amarr logi's would find incredibly more useful). Previous concerns in regards to deployable equipment have been very meaningfully addressed by a number of changes that rattati has made.

With the higher bandwidth cap present on amarr logi's it would actually be greatly to the benefit of amarr logi's to trade that sidearm for a fourth equipment (two sets of different uplinks while still carrying injector & rep tool? options for proxy mines or nanohives or scanners? yes please!).


All logi's should have 8 slots, a grenade, a light weapon, NO SIDEARM and four equipment slots.

Why are you trying to push this ratatti? Doesnt this colide with tiericide and the power core idea? Give all suits the same slot layouts and the power cores itself dictate what you can fit on them. I honestly dont see a issue with this.

At least, know what the smart answer is before making sweeping changes.