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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.05.29 02:24:00 -
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Logi since openbeta.
Run all 4 regularly. Adv in pubs, Pro in PC and FW.
Run close blob support, flanking/recon, ewar, AV, point control, denial and infiltration regularly via mix-n-match of suits, eq, mods and weaponry.
1) If the powercore thing is a go why are we yet again discussing homogenization? I am against tinkering with the existing slot layouts since gameplay-wise theyre already balanced against the rest of the field BUT acknowledge the gains to be made PS3/netcode-wise with powercores so for those I'd be willing to along. But just as an exercise in changing things because we can? No.
2) Sidearm-only Logis is an awful idea, perpetuated by non-logis or the continuity with EVE crowd who don't understand the difference between naval warfare and ground warfare OR the difference between 16v16 and infinity vs infinity. Nerf nerf nerf.
3)No nade idea see #2, substitute the concept "no nade" for "sidearm only".
4) CalLogi should get a sidearm for the missing slot. Amarr should keep its sidearm and not lose anything else to do so.
5) Cross Atu's equipment bonus proposal regarding applying eq bonuses to all logis should be implemented. In a nutshell we keep our existing racials and get either 50% of all the others OR a descending scale racial friend-racial enemy 50%-10%.
6) We need buffs . Not a redraw or a rework or a whole new redesign. Just some simple buffing across the board, the eq bonusing and CalLogi reunited with its long-lost cpu allocation, and introduced to a sidearm.
7) If number 6 is that huge of a deal, that totally gamebreaking that its inconceivable it wouldnt be
enormously OP then make ALL logi frames Dropsuit Command level 5, CPU upgrades level 5 and PG upgrade level 5 to unlock them. Keeps the riffraff/fotms/ and wp whores out. Hell, add a Warbarge Strategem requirement.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.05.29 02:29:00 -
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And Zaria Min Dier is indeed one of the better logis out there, very well versed in the competitive side of logistics.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.05.29 15:34:00 -
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Al the destroyer wrote:Luk Manag wrote:Weapon range is an extremely important factor. A 25% reduction in weapons range on a logi would stop the slayer logi FoTM. I'm not sure this would be the right direction to go but I see where you're coming from.
Its the wrong way to go. The pg/cpu reduction coupled with the eq fitting bonuses should limit the pure slaying fittings enough to discourage their use by fotm slayers. Actual slayers, slayer players not slayerfit players, will effectively slay in any fit regardless. Fotm slayers however will look elsewhere if the final fit potential for slaying isn't relatively "the best". And that happens inside the cpu/pg/eq prioritized fitting.
Worst-case scenario, should this proposed solution (limit logi damage/range) become absolutely neccessary the better option would still be to not do it but instead to add a basic damage mod to the Assault profile, 3 or 4% built in. Doesn't gimp us and incentivises the Assault further for explicit slaying use.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.05.29 15:47:00 -
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Al the Destroyer wrote:
Maybe a ... slot for all logi suits where a sidearm would go with flat slot progression use it for equip if you want or put a sidearm ...
Best compromise so far, 1 of the regular eq slots is variable and will accomodate either an equipment OR a sidearm. Make it standard for ALL the logis.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.05.29 16:36:00 -
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"Specialists not Pacifists"
A-frikin-men.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.05.30 22:43:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:
Sidearm only is bad IMO for a number of reasons. Either leave the logi with the ability to use a basic rifle or skip the weapons entirely and let logi be a full on support with no weapons but very potent reps (and add the option to bring shield reps).
No thank you on the bolded.
How does his idea even keep coming up?
Reps, btw, are potent as hell already at pro. How much extra potency would you consider to be "very potent" without being just immortality beams? I ask because there are occasional calls for beam nerf since multiple logis on one target can create immortal soldiers already.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.05.30 22:45:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Just realised.
If logis (or any other suit for that matter) have less HIs and LOWs,
then they will be unable to do have EWAR fits as those are created by stacking relevant modules.
...Not that passive scans are the logis' main function...
Depends on where that logi knows he's going and what he knows he'll be doing there...
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Sinq Laison Gendarmes
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Posted - 2015.06.06 20:52:00 -
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CalLogi hive bonus is awesome. Pubs, FW or PC. Do you need to know what you're doing beyond leash somebody and follow them around? Yes.
Extra needle bonus I agree would be dumb since there already are 100% needles available to anyone who can carry equipment.
Maybe a worthwhile buff to the CalLogi bonus would be the ability to deploy one extra hive past the usual limit per level? In addition to the existing nanite/bubble size bonus currently in place. So if the normal max deployment is 2 then the Cal would do 2+3 more as bonus (std, adv, pro, 1 each) for a total of 5 out and available at once. Hell, make the bonus applicable to ALL deployables, so extra hives, links, re's AND proxes maybe.
EDIT: Or how about (if possible) Cal deployables got some sort of extra flux resistance? They're "the shield" race so it'd kinda work lore-wise that the CalLogi can "build" a shield buffer for all its deployables which would basically equate to extra flux resistance. Yeah, anyone can drop a hive but only the CalLogi can crank up their utility and survivability.
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Posted - 2015.06.17 07:21:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:
EDIT: Or how about (if possible) Cal deployables got some sort of extra flux resistance? They're "the shield" race so it'd kinda work lore-wise that the CalLogi can "build" a shield buffer for all its deployables which would basically equate to extra flux resistance. Yeah, anyone can drop a hive but only the CalLogi can crank up their utility and survivability.
This is an incredibly ironic statement consider flux damage is more or less EM damage.....and Caldari of all the races have the worst shield resistance values against EM........
Well, I'm hopefully obviously using the lore very loosely. I have very limited lore knowledge (obviously?) and tbh the suggestion reads as an off-the-cuff idea because it was. The "lore" qualifier suggestion was exactly that, a suggestion as a qualifier for the idea. If it's incorrect somehow no problem, we'll adjust the qualifier so it works. If the idea itself works. Which based on a couple of the other responses seems like it could.
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
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Posted - 2015.06.17 07:26:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:True Adamance wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:
EDIT: Or how about (if possible) Cal deployables got some sort of extra flux resistance? They're "the shield" race so it'd kinda work lore-wise that the CalLogi can "build" a shield buffer for all its deployables which would basically equate to extra flux resistance. Yeah, anyone can drop a hive but only the CalLogi can crank up their utility and survivability.
This is an incredibly ironic statement consider flux damage is more or less EM damage.....and Caldari of all the races have the worst shield resistance values against EM........ That's why I wanted the flux grenade to go to the Amarr and I want Gallente to have a Molotav Cocktail type grenade.... You Trying to hack Alpha? *Throws Freedom Margarita and effect lingers for 7 seconds.
I like margaritas. And throwing bottles at people.
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Posted - 2015.06.17 07:34:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:El just spitballing, but something like say, 18% resistance to splash damage for nanohives per level for callogi? So direct hits would still take them out, but at level 5 callogi they only take 10% damage from grenades/mass drivers (Flux damage is absolutely insane though, so this might need tweaking yet).
And bright cloud, maybe lay off being quite so argumentative and willing to attack others or call them names, lets have a civil discussion here rather than just calling other people ****ING IDIOTS!
Sure, I was just throwing that idea out there and didn't really think any numbers through but w/e can be agreed on and is useful I'm down for.
Personally I like the idea of being able to have more active deployables out better but apparently I'm in some extremely small majority of logis who knows how to rep AND reinforce. And yes I also recognize the OP potential being able to have some ridiculous number of say triage hives or re's out. Immortality doorways and halls, serious minefields, re's forever....
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Posted - 2015.06.17 08:02:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Alcina Nektaria wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:I kind of wish we had a support weapon slot, for MD's, LR, PLC, Shotgun, Sniper and Swarm, to distinguish from "Rifles". Then Logis could be good at them, and bad at the others. Part of me really likes this idea, but then there is the little voice in my head that screams in protest. You would be pinning a more AV role to a Logi and leaving them almost defensless unless at a range, minus the shotgun. Maybe if you are looking to make the logis poopy with Rifles, you should make a new weapon, possibly similar to a taser or that shoots a charge to disable the enemy electronic system, rendering their weapons useless for a couple seconds to get far enough away. Just an idea. Though you may want to make it a new class of weapon only available to logi so that it is not abused. I get what he's trying to say but without some heavy running and addition to more weapons that probably wouldn't work out well. Why would a Logistics need a sniper rifle though? Or a PLC? I get Mass Driver and LR. Those are suppression weapons clearly. Shotguns? As long as your squad can take out further out targets that get too close with your shotgun so I guess that's fine. PLC and Sniper? Maybe if the PLC had a specific anti infantry variant and definitely not a sniper. Got lets not bring useless sniper logics back that just sat on 6 Triage Nanohives in the redline doing nothing for his team. Swarms? Why? Mass Drivers for artillery suppression and the LR is the closest thing we have to the purpose of a Light machine gun. Suppressive fire from down range. We need more weapons like that really. Honestly, in my rambling my biggest issue is still wondering what in the world is the purpose of the Commando?
PLC on a Logi is awesome. I mostly use it on my Amarrs but I'll run it with any of them. Its extremely versatile being anti-infantry AND anti-vehicle and when a heavy/logi blob watches their own be immolated by a PLC (my allotek before a lot of the applicable bonusing already does 1900 some-odd damage) they slow down and scatter quick.
I felt bad in one of the PCs I did a couple weeks ago, I had an overwatching postion and a friendly heavy down below me got bored and started sending some hmg bursts at me, keeping me frosty I'll assume. Well, I sent a couple un-actually aimed plc rounds his way and sure as **** hit him with one (dude had been shooting at me, mind you) killing him. He was not happy. But thats the power of a PLC, even for a Logi.
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