IMO the profiles should be:

Laser = +10% / -10%
Explosive = -10% / +10%
Rail = -5% / +5%
Plasma = +5% / -5%
Projectile = +7.5% / -7.5%

Heavy Attack Vehicles
Our primary task was threefold; 1) make the GÇÿMadrugarGÇÖ viable, 2) add progression to HAVs to reward skill point investment, and 3) not break the game while doing it. We are not exaggerating when we say that this initiative has been the longest and most discussed topic in years. That said, we are really happy with the process, especially with our first time of using a community developed web tool to theorycraft and test the designs before implementation. Overall, we think we have accomplished 1) and 2), and we will see about 3) once the changes are live.

Scouts will be making a comeback

the turn speed thing was removed in closed beta before minjas existed.

There was some early hinkiness with the racial scouts, but yeah, by and large if a minja gets into knifing distance then either he's doing damn good, or you're a dumbass.

the turn speed thing was removed in closed beta before minjas existed.

There was some early hinkiness with the racial scouts, but yeah, by and large if a minja gets into knifing distance then either he's doing damn good, or you're a dumbass.

Movement

* Fixed a bug that was making dropsuit strafe speeds too fast
* Increased the strafe speeds for all dropsuits from their values in Uprising 1.1 (net result is slower speeds than Uprising 1.3)
* Removed rotation modifier on heavy frames - all frames can now rotate at the same speed

Can't speak for closed beta as I wasn't around but the turn speed for heavy frames was removed in 1.4 (Aug 2013) because of scouts dancing around them. Me Minja included.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1210968#post1210968

Ok. 5 pages to catch up on. I don't know how you guys spend so much time on the forums :/ To be completed in edits...

Area Denial:
Anytime anyone says anything "should be" a certain way --

It is very hard to take anything seriously. Not because they are necessarily wrong or that there isn't some reasonable rationale in there -- but that the source of their arguments is how they 'want' it. Requests are for when you want something a certain way. Arguments for change at the expense of others opinions should, as a general rule, avoid that.

Now that that is out of the way: that is one way area denial for sentinels could work yes. In fact, I was under the impression that this was how the assault HMG was supposed to work. But, as I have mentioned before in many other threads (and have not had anyone actually able to argue against it) that will only be an option in very limited situations. Situations that are not common on most matches - because remember, heavies can't move easily. They can't run around the battlefield chasing down an area to start denying at a reasonable reactive speed. So they often will (as they do now) stay put. Worse yet, there is no profit for the heavy. Low to non existent WP (and therefore ISK/SP) in the majority of situations as people will just avoid them, flank them and farm them.

Quite simply -- it makes the HMG heavy the least flexible suit in the game with the lowest WP generation. (Which it actually already is.) Barring certain very specific instances, no one will use the HMG. As I have said 1000 times, so much so that you and most everyone else has started parroting me, we will have light weapon wielding heavies. In CQC. The concept of a slow suit with a large hitbox means heavies will stay in CQC.

This also pigeon holes all the other potential heavy weapons to be released into the same kind of outdoors area denial weapons. We will have a tons of heavies in Ambush, and few to none in Skirm (or FW, or PC.)

But this still all is a separate to the fact that this is how some people want heavies to be. A few vocal minority player's opinions. As if that should trump what CCP decides the Sentinel's role to be.

Pretty much. Im glad Rattati is looking at making the Large Missiles work better, but I think it may take a change in philosophy to make them work properly....I'll try to get off my ass today and work on some numbers.

The "assault HMG" will just work like a glorified breach assault rifle. That will be probs the most used HMG on heavys or they just go back and put a light weapon on cause after all nothing stops them to put a shotgun in their weapon slot.

Increasing deployable equipment carried amount by THREE[/u]
Oh no. That WILL increase nade spam. I promise, I will multiply my Core nade spam amount!
That would require a nade nerf of sorts (nade resupply rate should be increased a lot)

Most very good!

But few are not:


Removal of vehicles from ambush OMS:
because lessens the option and variety. There was no problem about people not playing OMSs and leaving. Now it will be possible to play dust with zero intent on skilling up AV.
I call this 'dumbening the game'.
Not that vehicular slaughter did not exist, no. But it certainly was not prevalent.


Increasing deployable equipment carried amount by THREE
Oh no. That WILL increase nade spam. I promise, I will multiply my Core nade spam amount!
That would require a nade nerf of sorts (nade resupply rate should be increased a lot)


Small turrets
I still guess the change won't be enough to make them usable. Sorry.
At least no for ADS use (5x range for ADS blasters would do that)


New vehicle modules:
Unless the fitting costs are minimal, I suspect they will remain gimmicks.
This has been true to several 'funny' Eve modules in the past, and especially true in case of Dust. It was never worth sacrificing much PG/CPU for turret rotation or cooldown bonus, let alone a module slot!




But hey, as I said, most are good or even great!
L MSL turrets really needed that nerf. Backpedaling has been also long awaited.

Most very good!

But few are not:

Removal of vehicles from ambush OMS:
because lessens the option and variety. There was no problem about people not playing OMSs and leaving. Now it will be possible to play dust with zero intent on skilling up AV.
I call this 'dumbening the game'.
Not that vehicular slaughter did not exist, no. But it certainly was not prevalent.

Increasing deployable equipment carried amount by THREE
Oh no. That WILL increase nade spam. I promise, I will multiply my Core nade spam amount!
That would require a nade nerf of sorts (nade resupply rate should be increased a lot)

I am even considering a squad free ambush mode.

Grenades are not deployable equipment, this applies to nanohives, proximity explosives and drop uplinks.

On the other topics, we will see.

yeah totally

the same rant... Plus:

This also pigeon holes all the other potential heavy weapons to be released into the same kind of outdoors area denial weapons. We would have a tons of heavies in Ambush, and few to none in Skirm (or FW, or PC.) No one has addressed the idea that map design predicates the current Heavy heavy combat doctrine. (at least not in opposition to my assertion. plenty of people agree with it.) No one has disagreed that different socket design and more open area hack points would limit heavy spam significantly.

But this still all is a separate to the fact that this is how some people (especially you) want heavies to be. One of a few vocal minority player's opinions. As if that should trump what CCP decides the Sentinel's role to be. Some of us think they should be point defense as opposed to area denial. Funny thing, the heavy as well as the only heavy AP weaponry is designed around that philosophy. So I'll stick with CCP on this one as opposed to arrogantly assuming I know better and/or have my opinion trump the game's designers...

Hotfix Echo HMG Changes:
I was not sure if the HMG applied its damage too far out. In fact, i felt it didn't and argued against it. That's because I never fired my HMG at anyone outside of 15 meters. For that I used a side arm. But on my assault suit I started seeing heavies gun me down from 30+ out. Even then it was only 10ths of a second slower than it was when I stumbled on one close. Then I changed my tune and realized, yes HMGs have too much range for that much DPS. I am still starting to rethink dispersion patterns because of it.

So happy about the range nerf for now. There was also a damage nerf (more than 10%) on HMGs as well (except for the Assault HMG.) I think premature, but ok, let's try it out.



The HMG is essentially a flame thrower yes. The Sentinel is 'currently' the king of CQC yes. There is nothing wrong with that by itself. The problem is, heavies can stay in CQC and be relevant to the objective in Skirm, Dom, FW, and PC at ALMOST EVERY HACK POINT. There is CQC everywhere. HMG heavies have 2 large weaknesses: slow and short ranged. Meaning: can't control range -- every other suit gets to decide the range -- and can't shoot outside of its range. Since there is CQC by the points everywhere maps currently mean that heavies can eliminate their single 2 biggest weaknesses.

Heavies are super easy to kill outside of CQC. Just move away from them and pin them behind whatever cover they have while they get flanked, or, if they have no cover, kill them as they can't shoot you. If there was open ground access to most points, or if more points were completely out in the open then sentinels would not be defending them. This issue with heavies being the kings of CQC would be changed significantly with different map design.

Why assault hmg gets a 120 clip? It had to be 425! And range from normal hmg of 40,2 meters is to short, it has to be 60m! And the damage has to be by baundless 20.5!!!! Rattati you will lose very much players! I go to reallife, because only YOU destroy the game since Hotfix Alfa to much! All tank changes are also unnecessary!

I believe his point is that an assault suit will be able to fill itself up on grenades over and over again.

Lets say an assault only resupplies two grenades before running off. The new increase gives 5 nanohives that can be deployed at various times. This means that with only a small pause and assault carrying a hive is now essentially carrying a total of 12 grenades. Just imagine a scout on high ground with 2 sets of nanohives. He now essentially has 22+ grenades to drop.

The same principle applies to REs.

I for one do not feel good about seeing all equipment go up by 3 because of this. I think the carried equipment count is just fine where it is.

I think it's going to be great, you will be able to reposition rapidly. Grenade spam is a not a big issue in our game right now, and nanohives were not being used much except by dedicated logis. If scouts are going to use one slot to be able to throw a few grenades, then good for him.

Why assault hmg gets a 120 clip? It had to be 425! And range from normal hmg of 40,2 meters is to short, it has to be 60m! And the damage has to be by baundless 20.5!!!! Rattati you will lose very much players! I go to reallife, because only YOU destroy the game since Hotfix Alfa to much! All tank changes are also unnecessary!

You're going to be able to blow holes in vehicles.

Honestly the old assault HMG did not work. So it's being changed. One of the reasons is we need a minmatar AV gun.

TThe assault was a good weapon to test. It will do less DPS but it looks like an excellent weapon choice for the minsent or calsent. It will also chew infantry fairly well. So what I see looks very good.

What we get needs to be tested thoroughly by shooting people.

You're going to be able to blow holes in vehicles.

Honestly the old assault HMG did not work. So it's being changed. One of the reasons is we need a minmatar AV gun.

TThe assault was a good weapon to test. It will do less DPS but it looks like an excellent weapon choice for the minsent or calsent. It will also chew infantry fairly well. So what I see looks very good.

What we get needs to be tested thoroughly by shooting people.

Very similar dps, a little lower than normal because it can harm vehicles whereas the other one can not. The clip is reduced to have similar damage per clip and ammo reserves.