One concern with the ASCR, which I currently use. (Clearly making me an idiot since the weapon is apparently far crappier than I realized)

With an Amarr Assault at level 5, this gun does not overheat. I can fire a full clip without overheat, not that I would want to as the accuracy becomes worse than shooting blind.

With this large buff (which I am thankful for) I feel it might make the ASCR with an Amarr Assault too powerful. Basically it's drawback is moot, and you give it a free advantage at no downside.

If the AV damage normalization thing is going to happen at the same time as this patch I strongly recommend rethinking the PLC damage buff you have listed. The PLC doing flat damage to vehicle shields or armor really is all that it needs. That, and that the user actually learn how to use the damn thing. STARTER fits being equipped with it is probably not the best idea either (dat learning curve) but whatever, we'll see how the Newbs do.



btw, been running PLC as AV since the MurderTaxi514/ MassDriverQQNerf days, and am a regular user of it in all modes pub, FW and PC. My dragonfly/plc isn't a troll fit, it's a primary fit .

Could i get a explaination why max AV grenades carried goes from 2 to 3 and LAV's are getting nerfbatted to crap at the same time? I mean common the saga was allready a rolling deathtrap but with the AV grenade buff on top of it its going to be a nightmare driving a LAV. If you allready add more PG+CPU to them then add aswell more module slots.

And yes i do like to drive around with a gunner and a decent fit on the car which can cost up to 140k ISK. And you should know that less HP on the saga= better jihad LAV cause it blows up much quicker when bumping a tank.

But that's a different argument entirely, my point was that the change to the fitting doesn't make up for the huge hit they took from their HP pools. I agree that unfitted LAVs were too effective but if the LAVs in and of themselves were not a problem (and I seriously doubt they were from an overall effect on the battlefield point of view) then I don't see the reasoning behind punishing the few who actually DID fit out their LAVs as a side effect of the problem with BPO LAV spam and Driveby Heavies. An extra slot would keep the actual dedicated LAV drivers happy, increase fitting diversity among them, and punish those who only want to use them as driveby tools and cheap beefy transport.

Another thing I noticed.

Assault hmg does full damage to vehicles instead of 75%, very good.

The ammo nerf is...a bit much...ah well.

The Assault Heavy Machine Gun has the same scatter as the Boundless Heavy Machine Gun and also hurt even less, so it uses nobody! The Boundless is all right, dear fixes the spill Assault=0 then takes it more players! It needs not more damage only the scatter is the problem from the range!

Please Rattati write me what you think!!!

are you saying that the assault HMG dispersion is too big making it poor at fighting?

Now it will be possible to play dust with zero intent on skilling up AV.

Righto, I haven't actually run the numbers yet and that was off the top of my head, so let's go.
Will disregard proficiency for all weapons because it only applies to certain damage types. Let's look at raw damage.

Summary at the bottom.



Galmando with Allotek does 1870 damage per shot (glorious).
Reload time with Galmando is 3.5*.75 = 2.25. Charge time with maxed skill is 0.45s. Therefore max fire rate without lag and with perfect timing is one shot per 2.7 seconds.

1870/2.7 = 692 DPS

Minmando with Wiyrkomis does 1373 damage per volley. Lock on time is 1.05s with max skills.

I'm not entirely sure how to calculate swarm DPS, honestly. I know there's a forced delay between lock ons and the SDE suggests that's 1 second, but I might be reading the wrong thing. Let's go with the 1 second number for now.

1373 damage per 2.05 seconds means 669 DPS.

Top AHMG sentinel:

The best case scenario for an AHMG is on the Galsent because it can fit 2x damage mods. 2x HDMs gives about a 9% damage increase.

The proto AHMG does 616 DPS under the current proposal. 616*1.09 = 671 DPS

Let's add the forge gun to this list.

Your normal proto forge gun hits for 1440 damage every 3 seconds. With the same circumstances as the AHMG, this leads to 523 DPS. An IAFG will do substantially more at 726 DPS.




Summary:

So under optimal circumstances:
PLCs do 692 DPS.
Swarms do 669 DPS (?)
AHMGs do 671 DPS
FGs do 523 DPS
IAFGs do 726 DPS


Hm. They're all very close, really. AHMG does very similar damage to swarms and marginally less than the Galmando PLC. Bearing in mind that the Galmando does wonderful, wonderful things to the placon I will point out that a double damage modded non-commando allotek placon without the bonus does 481 DPS. The placon is comparatively only viable on the Galmando, then.


Anyhow, looks like I was wrong about it outDPSing -all- other AV weapons. However, it's very similar in terms of DPS to all the others! IAFGs are the only ones that noticeably outDPS it, at 50 DPS more, and that's a difference of less than 10%.


My concern is that it can very viably compete with all other AV options on raw DPS (and indeed, if those other AV options aren't in optimal circumstances it will noticeably outDPS a good few of them) while being much easier to use than the other options and also being by far the most effective against infantry.

No other AV weapon offers anywhere near as much anti-infantry capability as the AHMG, but the AHMG is right up there with the best of the AV options at the same time. It offers, quite literally, the best of both worlds.


EDIT: I am also concerned that the Galmando is practically required to have viable placon DPS. I know the bonuses fit the commando type, but they just do so much good for the placon that you pretty much need to have them to use the placon viably.