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Nevyn Tazinas wrote:

KA24DERT wrote:

I've been playing some Doom multiplayer recently, and I must say half of these whiners would probably have three aneurysms and lose bowel control over the incredible speed of that game.

Shooters have gotten slower and slower to appeal to the casual and casualer.

If CCP *EVER* wants to make a trailer LIKE THIS for Dust/Legion, they need to start making some hard choices about who this game is going to revolve around in the future.

Balance the PvP portion of the game around fun, sound, and proven notions of competitive FPS games, improve PvP support roles for those who can't slay, and introduce PvE activities for everyone else who can't/won't cut it.

Doom does not allow you to strafe straight through machine gun fire and laser beams and take no damage. Nor does nearly every single other FPS out there on the market. There is dodging sideways, or tracking with sideways motion to stay on your target, then there is hit detection glitching through rapid left right strafing. Currently Dust is the later, not the former.

It's not skill when you make the system simply unable to register a hit on you, and when you are dodging straight through a laser beam repeatedly and taking no damage, that is what is happening. Faster strafe speeds would simply make this even more likely to occur.


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KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 805	Posted - 2014.11.20 22:16:00 - [1] - Quote FPSes are based on shooting and moving. We have Aim Assist to take care of the shooting. Now we're going to nerf strafing to take care of that pesky "moving" business. Wow. If you can't aim, and you can't hit a moving target, you're probably playing the wrong genre.
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 806	Posted - 2014.11.20 23:28:00 - [2] - Quote Kensai Dragon wrote: KA24DERT wrote: FPSes are based on shooting and moving. We have Aim Assist to take care of the shooting. Now we're going to nerf strafing to take care of that pesky "moving" business. Wow. If you can't aim, and you can't hit a moving target, you're probably playing the wrong genre. Wow. So when I clearly see that I'm passing through your stream of fire and not taking damage then I should call that my skillful strafing. If you intentionally maneuver such that my aim is off (juking in American Football), good for you because that is a talent. When your maneuvering consists of exploiting a broken mechanic that fails to register damage, that's hardly in the same league. If you want hit detection fixed, lobby for that. But nerfing movement in an already sluggish game is the wrong fix.
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 821	Posted - 2014.11.23 09:07:00 - [3] - Quote Let's just nail everyone's feet to the ground and get this over with.
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 825	Posted - 2014.11.23 23:31:00 - [4] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: You can find a guide like that for every single FPS ever made going back to DOOM. What FPSs have you played that didn't include strafing? I've been playing some Doom multiplayer recently, and I must say half of these whiners would probably have three aneurysms and lose bowel control over the incredible speed of that game. Shooters have gotten slower and slower to appeal to the casual and casualer. If CCP *EVER* wants to make a trailer LIKE THIS for Dust/Legion, they need to start making some hard choices about who this game is going to revolve around in the future. Balance the PvP portion of the game around fun, sound, and proven notions of competitive FPS games, improve PvP support roles for those who can't slay, and introduce PvE activities for everyone else who can't/won't cut it.
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 827	Posted - 2014.11.24 02:02:00 - [5] - Quote Nevyn Tazinas wrote: KA24DERT wrote: I've been playing some Doom multiplayer recently, and I must say half of these whiners would probably have three aneurysms and lose bowel control over the incredible speed of that game. Shooters have gotten slower and slower to appeal to the casual and casualer. If CCP *EVER* wants to make a trailer LIKE THIS for Dust/Legion, they need to start making some hard choices about who this game is going to revolve around in the future. Balance the PvP portion of the game around fun, sound, and proven notions of competitive FPS games, improve PvP support roles for those who can't slay, and introduce PvE activities for everyone else who can't/won't cut it. Doom does not allow you to strafe straight through machine gun fire and laser beams and take no damage. Nor does nearly every single other FPS out there on the market. There is dodging sideways, or tracking with sideways motion to stay on your target, then there is hit detection glitching through rapid left right strafing. Currently Dust is the later, not the former. It's not skill when you make the system simply unable to register a hit on you, and when you are dodging straight through a laser beam repeatedly and taking no damage, that is what is happening. Faster strafe speeds would simply make this even more likely to occur. So now we're at the core of the issue. Strafe reduction is bandaid over bad network prediction and hit detection code. The problem with gimping strafe speed is that TTK will go even lower, and make this game even more of a "first shot wins" situation. Screw this ridiculous bandaid.
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 831	Posted - 2014.11.24 20:11:00 - [6] - Quote Jebus McKing wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: KA24DERT wrote: Let's just nail everyone's feet to the ground and get this over with. That might be a bit extreme. I think what these anti-fps peeps are looking for is something like tab targeting - you know, like WOW has. Make it so that all weapons work like rep-tools. You lock on to an enemy and then the weapon automatically deals damage! That would be perfect! It would fix hitdetection, and strafe issues, and matchmaking at the same time, and it would be as close to EVE as a FPS can get! I think you're on to something. As it is, someone can start moving unpredictably, thereby confusing their opponent. But there's also chance that the opponent is a tryhard strafe-cheater as well, and now you have TWO people trying to trick each other into missing shots, while also trying to LAND shots. I think we can all say that using such skill and trickery to win an encounter is utterly unacceptable. It's kinda like in basketball when someone fakes another player out, and then the referee shoots the offending player in the back of the head. Just pull the trigger and then you start dealing damage no matter your movement or the movement of your opponent. That takes care of a whole host of issues!
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 900	Posted - 2014.12.06 03:34:00 - [7] - Quote The more I think about it, the more I realize that nerfing movement is the correct solution to bad netcode. If you can't move, the network prediction has nothing to predict! I also think that removing ISK from the game is the solution to proto stomping. If there's no ISK then how can anyone buy Proto. SIMPLE! BAN ADVANCED GEAR FROM PUBS \| Mass Driver Advocate
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 907	Posted - 2014.12.08 23:16:00 - [8] - Quote Jotun Izalaru wrote: oh no, if i'm expected to do more than jiggle a stick back and forth i'll be helpless i better defend the honor of ~true skill~ stick wiggling gameplay as childishly as possible 1000% Agree A++++ Please support my anti-strafing thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=182627 BAN ADVANCED GEAR FROM PUBS \| Mass Driver Advocate