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KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1987	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:27:00 - [1] - Quote Like many others I decided to put the events 3 M SP into another suit to get a new experience knowing that the SPs will be refunded shortly. So I got the Galente scout and I've been running it for 2 days. I have various fits off course but lets focus on a more "assault fitted suit". So I get 160 shields 470 armor with a 6.25 passive rep, and an Allotek hive to get that armor back when I'm in a tight spot. Its fast, semi stealthy and wields proto weapons. Yes its obviously not a dual tanked logi fit with 1000 HP but it works very well, I've had many solid games with it, several with 30+ kills and 1-3 deaths. I also suppose the dampened speed tanked shotty fit I have is a great one with a little skillpoints invested in the shotty and a little time invested in playing that particular role. Even though the shields are only 160, they still come back extremely fast. I often take 500 points of damage, go to cover, toss down an allotek hive and I'm ready to go. I've also noticed that people hit me way less in this suit. I've gone up against several tanky protosuits front to front and won cause they simply can't track my strafeing. So I ask you, (mostly too) proud scouts of this community, Whats with all the QQ? I've seen thread after thread from scouts claiming their suits, indeed their entire role is UP. I've held my tongue cause I haven't had a scout suit properly specced yet. But after running it for 2 days I just can't see what the big deal is about. Take away the 2 damage mods and the HP and rep speed is almost identical to my Amarr assault. Yes 2 damage mods or 2 shield extenders is more but the Amarr assault would be a much worse suit if I tried to match the scout suits speed and stealth.... What exactly is or soon to be "was" the big deal about scout suits being UP? I don't get it..... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1446	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:32:00 - [2] - Quote becuase most scouts dont brick tank...
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 276	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:33:00 - [3] - Quote >630 hp >scout
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1987	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:34:00 - [4] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: becuase most scouts dont brick tank... So its like: Scout: Oh noes, I have so little HP, just glance at me and I'm dead! Anyone else: Why don't you put some more HP on that suit then? You have plenty of fitting space... Scout: No but then it wouldn't be a proper scout, please buff. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 239	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:36:00 - [5] - Quote If they are failing to hit you then we should thank them for not hip firing with AA. PvE 2014
Vulcanus Lightbringer Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 336	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:37:00 - [6] - Quote My issue with the scout suit has always been the lack of CPU/PG and since that's been taken care of for 1.8 I have no complaints about it. Oh, and if you're going to scout, why would you build it like a lower-health assault? What's the point of it?
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 223	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:42:00 - [7] - Quote The problem is with 360 permascans and having less HP in any competitive battle such as PC you could damp a medium frame with far more HP and be more effective in most cases. Granted some people are better at running scouts or other various suits but you can't take the top tier players in their niche and balance solely off of their performance. Scouts needed more things to separate them from other suits, the 2nd equipment slot and the lower base profile we get in 1.8 help in this regard, not to mention the bonus to cloaking.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2594	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:43:00 - [8] - Quote Most scouts don't run with an allotek nanohive Most gallente scouts don't run with more than 300ish armor Scouts are meant for being fast, being sneaky, and E-war. Most scouts complain because they get killed way too quickly...mostly because high alpha weapons don't let them retaliate, and scanners can detect them sneaking up on players. You can brick tank anything and do decent with it, especially if you have good weapons. If a scout can't scout because of broken weapons and mechanics, what's the point of the advantages it has? This is why 1.8 will be the update scouts have been wanting forever. Links: 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! I make logistics videos!
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2463	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:44:00 - [9] - Quote IMHO there was never that much a problem with proto scouts because they get the extra fittings room and particularly the gallente get 4 low slots. My problem was always with the advanced suit because you can't fit any tank on it and even using 2x advanced sidearms I need a CPU mod, which takes up one of my tank slots. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1988	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:49:00 - [10] - Quote Vulcanus Lightbringer wrote: My issue with the scout suit has always been the lack of CPU/PG and since that's been taken care of for 1.8 I have no complaints about it. Oh, and if you're going to scout, why would you build it like a lower-health assault? What's the point of it? I'm more stealthy, faster and agile than the assault suits. The objective is to win the games. With this setup I can sneak around most scanners, I'm fast enough with enough stamina to flank and I'm not totally useless in a straight up fight. This means that I'm capable of doing more than getting a stealth kill and then running away.... The Allotek hive even makes it possible for me to hunker down, I even defeated a fatsuit at semi close range by going in and out of the rep hives, it tokk me 3 sweeps to finally take him out... Just as I've played the logi as a support/assault hybrid ( NOT a slayerlogi) I also seemingly run my scout fitting as a scout/assault hybrid. In any case, both seems to work very well. And I really don't get this with lack of PC/CPU, at least not for the GAL scout, I will believe that the MIN scout is far worse in that regard. Who needs lots of CPU/PG when basic armor plates costs 10-1 to fit???? FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.

Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2464	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:49:00 - [11] - Quote Ignore the nonsense about brick scouts not being scouts - that's as bad as the saying logis that get high kill counts aren't logis. Also, if you're actually managing to strafe dodge full-frontal, then I'm assuming you're using kb/m? Because I've never seen anyone using DS3 be able to strafe dodger face to face at all. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Yan Darn Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 366	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:51:00 - [12] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Like many others I decided to put the events 3 M SP into another suit to get a new experience knowing that the SPs will be refunded shortly. So I got the Galente scout and I've been running it for 2 days. I have various fits off course but lets focus on a more "assault fitted suit". So I get 160 shields 470 armor with a 6.25 passive rep, and an Allotek hive to get that armor back when I'm in a tight spot. Its fast, semi stealthy and wields proto weapons. Yes its obviously not a dual tanked logi fit with 1000 HP but it works very well, I've had many solid games with it, several with 30+ kills and 1-3 deaths. I also suppose the dampened speed tanked shotty fit I have is a great one with a little skillpoints invested in the shotty and a little time invested in playing that particular role. Even though the shields are only 160, they still come back extremely fast. I often take 500 points of damage, go to cover, toss down an allotek hive and I'm ready to go.I've also noticed that people hit me way less in this suit. I've gone up against several tanky protosuits front to front and won cause they simply can't track my strafeing. So I ask you, (mostly too) proud scouts of this community, Whats with all the QQ? I've seen thread after thread from scouts claiming their suits, indeed their entire role is UP. What exactly is or soon to be "was" the big deal about scout suits being UP? I don't get it..... You kinda said it all youself... I underlined the most imporant part. You seemed to have ignored it when you created your brick tanked assault scout that you have admitted isn't as good as your other options when pursuing such things. You may not have noticed that the scout requires a lot more SP to make viable than other options. Or are you saying 'wow all this scouts being UP stuff was nonsense - if only I'd known sooner, otherwise I soooo wouldn't have gone proto logi - what a shame, I would have spent the past several months proving scouts aren't UP - by playing them instead of my other suits, now I only have a few days to prove the QQers wrong...' PS I don't know about you, but I do much better in my scout when backed up by high SP proto stomp Squad. The Ghost of Bravo
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1988	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:53:00 - [13] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Ignore the nonsense about brick scouts not being scouts - that's as bad as the saying logis that get high kill counts aren't logis. Also, if you're actually managing to strafe dodge full-frontal, then I'm assuming you're using kb/m? Because I've never seen anyone using DS3 be able to strafe dodger face to face at all. DS3 all the way. But I'm not exactly standing in the same spot like so many M/KB players do, I sircle strafe and more. I still get lots of scenarioes even in my sluggish Cal logi where I can strafe away from someone's tracking, it just happens way more frequent in this suit. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2527	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:53:00 - [14] - Quote Babar i still think its stupid to put so many armor plates on that suit. You will still be picked up by proto scanners. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2464	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:58:00 - [15] - Quote If you really want to know what the problems are with scout suits, try running an advanced one. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1988	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:58:00 - [16] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Most scouts don't run with an allotek nanohive Most gallente scouts don't run with more than 300ish armor Scouts are meant for being fast, being sneaky, and E-war. Most scouts complain because they get killed way too quickly...mostly because high alpha weapons don't let them retaliate, and scanners can detect them sneaking up on players. You can brick tank anything and do decent with it, especially if you have good weapons. If a scout can't scout because of broken weapons and mechanics, what's the point of the advantages it has? This is why 1.8 will be the update scouts have been wanting forever. Yeah, my general setup would be mediocre in PC at best. There its all about stealth and super fast shottys. I'm not saying thats easy, but I have faced a fair share of very good scouts in PC. And I dunno about "can't" scout, the scout suit don't have an EHP advantage over a dampened med suit but they have a huge speed/stamina advantage... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1988	Posted - 2014.03.21 09:09:00 - [17] - Quote Yan Darn wrote: KingBabar wrote: Like many others I decided to put the events 3 M SP into another suit to get a new experience knowing that the SPs will be refunded shortly. So I got the Galente scout and I've been running it for 2 days. I have various fits off course but lets focus on a more "assault fitted suit". So I get 160 shields 470 armor with a 6.25 passive rep, and an Allotek hive to get that armor back when I'm in a tight spot. Its fast, semi stealthy and wields proto weapons. Yes its obviously not a dual tanked logi fit with 1000 HP but it works very well, I've had many solid games with it, several with 30+ kills and 1-3 deaths. I also suppose the dampened speed tanked shotty fit I have is a great one with a little skillpoints invested in the shotty and a little time invested in playing that particular role. Even though the shields are only 160, they still come back extremely fast. I often take 500 points of damage, go to cover, toss down an allotek hive and I'm ready to go.I've also noticed that people hit me way less in this suit. I've gone up against several tanky protosuits front to front and won cause they simply can't track my strafeing. So I ask you, (mostly too) proud scouts of this community, Whats with all the QQ? I've seen thread after thread from scouts claiming their suits, indeed their entire role is UP. What exactly is or soon to be "was" the big deal about scout suits being UP? I don't get it..... You kinda said it all youself... I underlined the most imporant part. You seemed to have ignored it when you created your brick tanked assault scout that you have admitted isn't as good as your other options when pursuing such things. You may not have noticed that the scout requires a lot more SP to make viable than other options. Or are you saying 'wow all this scouts being UP stuff was nonsense - if only I'd known sooner, otherwise I soooo wouldn't have gone proto logi - what a shame, I would have spent the past several months proving scouts aren't UP - by playing them instead of my other suits, now I only have a few days to prove the QQers wrong...' PS I don't know about you, but I do much better in my scout when backed up by high SP proto stomp Squad. More SP than other suits to be viable? Really? Tell that to my logi suit.... Off course it isn't better at assaulting than the assault suits are.... doh. I'm merely stating that they're surprisngly good at the job, when properly fitted. No I wouldn't have specced scout regardless, I like to have more than 1 equipment slot.... And don't get me wrong here, I do look foreward to the 1.8 change, I'll finally get back to my true role, the scout. I used scout suits for 3 of the 4 beta builds and it was merely the removal of that second equiment slot for proto suits that made me switch to logi suits, I wanna do a little more than shoot people and restock my ammo... My point is more of the line of: "yes the light frames are weaker, but they're far from as useless as many of the forum scout QQers have presented them as." Many of you have been acting like its as useless as contact nades.... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 223	Posted - 2014.03.21 09:13:00 - [18] - Quote Run PC and wait til someone you killed decides to be a **** and run permascans with the focused then all your advantages disappear lol. Thats really what I've found to be the worst thing for me in any match, especially PC. I never thought the scout suit was bad, just needed a few adjustments like its getting in 1.8 so I'm thrilled with that.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1988	Posted - 2014.03.21 09:17:00 - [19] - Quote STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: Run PC and wait til someone you killed decides to be a **** and run permascans with the focused then all your advantages disappear lol. Thats really what I've found to be the worst thing for me in any match, especially PC. Currently tha scanner takes 5 seconds to use, ample time to kill the user, and it will only show you on the map for 5 seconds, then the scanner has a 25 second cooldown. For this to be effective the other team needs 4-6 of these in action spread among 2-4 players. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 224	Posted - 2014.03.21 09:28:00 - [20] - Quote KingBabar wrote: STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: Run PC and wait til someone you killed decides to be a **** and run permascans with the focused then all your advantages disappear lol. Thats really what I've found to be the worst thing for me in any match, especially PC. Currently tha scanner takes 5 seconds to use, ample time to kill the user, and it will only show you on the map for 5 seconds, then the scanner has a 25 second cooldown. For this to be effective the other team needs 4-6 of these in action spread among 2-4 players. Thats true but if your 20 meters out or so flanking on the enemy and they do their 360 spin your totally screwed. It happens more often than you'd think. At least it won't be a problem for me in 1.8 tho.

Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 456	Posted - 2014.03.21 09:28:00 - [21] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Like many others I decided to put the events 3 M SP into another suit to get a new experience knowing that the SPs will be refunded shortly. So I got the Galente scout and I've been running it for 2 days. I have various fits off course but lets focus on a more "assault fitted suit". So I get 160 shields 470 armor with a 6.25 passive rep, and an Allotek hive to get that armor back when I'm in a tight spot. Its fast, semi stealthy and wields proto weapons. Yes its obviously not a dual tanked logi fit with 1000 HP but it works very well, I've had many solid games with it, several with 30+ kills and 1-3 deaths. I also suppose the dampened speed tanked shotty fit I have is a great one with a little skillpoints invested in the shotty and a little time invested in playing that particular role. Even though the shields are only 160, they still come back extremely fast. I often take 500 points of damage, go to cover, toss down an allotek hive and I'm ready to go. I've also noticed that people hit me way less in this suit. I've gone up against several tanky protosuits front to front and won cause they simply can't track my strafeing. So I ask you, (mostly too) proud scouts of this community, Whats with all the QQ? I've seen thread after thread from scouts claiming their suits, indeed their entire role is UP. I've held my tongue cause I haven't had a scout suit properly specced yet. But after running it for 2 days I just can't see what the big deal is about. Take away the 2 damage mods and the HP and rep speed is almost identical to my Amarr assault. Yes 2 damage mods or 2 shield extenders is more but the Amarr assault would be a much worse suit if I tried to match the scout suits speed and stealth.... What exactly is or soon to be "was" the big deal about scout suits being UP? I don't get it..... I will tell you my side later after I'm off from work, but rest assure I will make a solid argument out of it.
Scar Scrilla UN1TED NATIONS 163	Posted - 2014.03.21 09:28:00 - [22] - Quote Recently started Gall Scouting, mostly run Adv with Shotty, SMG and Scanner. It's so much fun but of course I have to learn to play completely different now, with just a little over 300 total HP. I'm steadily improving my Scout playstyle, taking cover and flanking works like a charm, depending on the map, most of the time. My best run so far, just had a few ones in this role, was 16-3 in Dom. Needless to say if I run around in the open, I get squashed in less than a sec of course :) Thanks to everybody on the forum encouraging ppl to play the scout class Btw. is there a channel to squad up with other Scouts? "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses" "Go and hack the letter(s)" - Join our public channel: UN1TE
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 224	Posted - 2014.03.21 09:31:00 - [23] - Quote Scar Scrilla wrote: Recently started Gall Scouting, mostly run Adv with Shotty, SMG and Scanner. It's so much fun but of course I have to learn to play completely different now, with just a little over 300 total HP. I'm steadily improving my Scout playstyle, taking cover and flanking works like a charm, depending on the map, most of the time. My best run so far, just had a few ones in this role, was 16-3 in Dom. Needless to say if I run around in the open, I get squashed in less than a sec of course :) Thanks to everybody on the forum encouraging ppl to play the scout class Btw. is there a channel to squad up with other Scouts? Scouts United is the channel your looking for.
Asha Starwind DUST University Ivy League 540	Posted - 2014.03.21 09:40:00 - [24] - Quote STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: KingBabar wrote: STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: Run PC and wait til someone you killed decides to be a **** and run permascans with the focused then all your advantages disappear lol. Thats really what I've found to be the worst thing for me in any match, especially PC. Currently tha scanner takes 5 seconds to use, ample time to kill the user, and it will only show you on the map for 5 seconds, then the scanner has a 25 second cooldown. For this to be effective the other team needs 4-6 of these in action spread among 2-4 players. Thats true but if your 20 meters out or so flanking on the enemy and they do their 360 spin your totally screwed. It happens more often than you'd think. At least it won't be a problem for me in 1.8 tho. add the fact that there's always some fa99ot, swapping a suits at a supply depot to bypass the cooldowns. That BS has flown under the radar so far but I'll bet isk that it becomes scannerina 2.0, after the scanner nerf. Mad Bomber Now with 50% less profile
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 788	Posted - 2014.03.21 09:45:00 - [25] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Ignore the nonsense about brick scouts not being scouts - that's as bad as the saying logis that get high kill counts aren't logis. Also, if you're actually managing to strafe dodge full-frontal, then I'm assuming you're using kb/m? Because I've never seen anyone using DS3 be able to strafe dodger face to face at all. But that's exactly what this community expect logis just doing logi stuff, scout are just there to die, heavies should be stationary turrets..... Regarding the OP. 1. any brick tanked suit can do in pubs (ok you don't even to brick tank). Most scouts don't think we need more hp because we wan't to SCOUT, not necessarily chasing the latest FOTM weapon and brick tank to be of any use. What's the point of having different suits and roles if the only way to be of any use is stack armor and kill suff like assaults?? Right we could simply remove all but assault suits...what most (real) scouts want is to have a role apart from killing stuff because I can do this with other suits in a better way I don't need to use to lowest hp suit with a nimble speed advantage (that gets negated by armor plates) or a lower profile... I want to actually play as scout sneaking behind enemy lines provide intel, and get rewarded for doing so. Unfortunately CCP forces us to be light slayers as this is the only way for scouts to get a reasonable amount of WP (independent from game modes) And in that regard scouts gets simply outclassed. And just because a good player can be good in that suit against weaker players doesn't change the underlying problem.
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 225	Posted - 2014.03.21 10:02:00 - [26] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Django Quik wrote: Ignore the nonsense about brick scouts not being scouts - that's as bad as the saying logis that get high kill counts aren't logis. Also, if you're actually managing to strafe dodge full-frontal, then I'm assuming you're using kb/m? Because I've never seen anyone using DS3 be able to strafe dodger face to face at all. But that's exactly what this community expect logis just doing logi stuff, scout are just there to die, heavies should be stationary turrets..... Regarding the OP. 1. any brick tanked suit can do in pubs (ok you don't even need to brick tank). Most scouts don't think we need more hp because we wan't to SCOUT, not necessarily chasing the latest FOTM weapon and brick tank to be of any use. What's the point of having different suits and roles if the only way to be of any use is stack armor and kill suff like assaults?? Right we could simply remove all but assault suits...what most (real) scouts want is to have a role apart from killing stuff because I can do this with other suits in a better way I don't need to use to lowest hp suit with a nimble speed advantage (that gets negated by armor plates) or a lower profile... I want to actually play as scout sneaking behind enemy lines provide intel, and get rewarded for doing so. Unfortunately CCP forces us to be light slayers as this is the only way for scouts to get a reasonable amount of WP (independent from game modes) And in that regard scouts gets simply outclassed. And just because a good player can be good in that suit against weaker players doesn't change the underlying problem. Well for me personally, flanking behind the enemy and taking out their uplinks and CRU's while eliminating any enemies back to their frontlines is what its very good at. Since its not an assault this is where I believe it should shine and the changes in 1.8 help make this more achievable, which in turn helps separate/define its role from other suits.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1989	Posted - 2014.03.21 10:06:00 - [27] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Django Quik wrote: Ignore the nonsense about brick scouts not being scouts - that's as bad as the saying logis that get high kill counts aren't logis. Also, if you're actually managing to strafe dodge full-frontal, then I'm assuming you're using kb/m? Because I've never seen anyone using DS3 be able to strafe dodger face to face at all. But that's exactly what this community expect logis just doing logi stuff, scout are just there to die, heavies should be stationary turrets..... Regarding the OP. 1. any brick tanked suit can do in pubs (ok you don't even to brick tank). Most scouts don't think we need more hp because we wan't to SCOUT, not necessarily chasing the latest FOTM weapon and brick tank to be of any use. What's the point of having different suits and roles if the only way to be of any use is stack armor and kill suff like assaults?? Right we could simply remove all but assault suits...what most (real) scouts want is to have a role apart from killing stuff because I can do this with other suits in a better way I don't need to use to lowest hp suit with a nimble speed advantage (that gets negated by armor plates) or a lower profile... I want to actually play as scout sneaking behind enemy lines provide intel, and get rewarded for doing so. Unfortunately CCP forces us to be light slayers as this is the only way for scouts to get a reasonable amount of WP (independent from game modes) And in that regard scouts gets simply outclassed. And just because a good player can be good in that suit against weaker players doesn't change the underlying problem. Well you sort of nailed it. For winning a battle: - Kill the enemy. - Kill the enemy and take his point. - Defend the point by killing the enemy. I don't see the "scout" part of it, whats it supposed to be? Gathering intelligence? I'd much rather take a sniper on top calling stuff out or indeed a post 1.8 Galente logi with dual scanners. "Be sneaky"? to accomplish what? - Other than ninja hacking the enemy objectives making them strip their "frontline" to hold on to their more homely points, are there only things I can't think of? And in this role the scout far outshines any other suit, no one has the stelth/speed/stamina combo of the scouts. The role of a "true scout" IMO would be to be a pest and plague to the other team. You'd normally stay between the enemy main spawn and the main area of fighting, if possible. Being sneaky you engage singe targets and get the drop on them before they can join the rest of their group making their main fotce comparably weaker than yours at the point of contestation. You shouldn't get any sort of WP just to be sneaky, but you do get WPs for all the sneaky kills you get and indeed al the sneaky hacks you pull off no? Be it a logi, heavy, scout or Regnyums grandma, you're still all soldiers, the objective is to kill the enemy and gain map control due to dominating the other team and win the game. The scout is a slightly different take on how to achieve that goal compared to an Assault, you still have a gun, you can still hack and on top of it you can sneak around, going much faster and further than the other suits. I still don't get the massive amount of QQ the scouts have put on these forums for, well, its a whole year now isn't it? FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2466	Posted - 2014.03.21 10:19:00 - [28] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Well you sort of nailed it. For winning a battle: - Kill the enemy. - Kill the enemy and take his point. - Defend the point by killing the enemy. I don't see the "scout" part of it, whats it supposed to be? Gathering intelligence? I'd much rather take a sniper on top calling stuff out or indeed a post 1.8 Galente logi with dual scanners. "Be sneaky"? to accomplish what? - Other than ninja hacking the enemy objectives making them strip their "frontline" to hold on to their more homely points, are there more things I can't think of? And in this role the scout far outshines any other suit, no one has the stelth/speed/stamina combo of the scouts. The role of a "true scout" IMO would be to be a pest and plague to the other team. You'd normally stay between the enemy main spawn and the main area of fighting, if possible. Being sneaky you engage singe targets and get the drop on them before they can join the rest of their group making their main fotce comparably weaker than yours at the point of contestation. You shouldn't get any sort of WP just to be sneaky, but you do get WPs for all the sneaky kills you get and indeed al the sneaky hacks you pull off no? Be it a logi, heavy, scout or Regnyums grandma, you're still all soldiers, the objective is to kill the enemy and gain map control due to dominating the other team and win the game. The scout is a slightly different take on how to achieve that goal compared to an Assault, you still have a gun, you can still hack and on top of it you can sneak around, going much faster and further than the other suits. I still don't get the massive amount of QQ the scouts have put on these forums for, well, its a whole year now isn't it? I was nodding until the last line there but you've mostly got the right idea. In PC I do exactly as you describe in your last paragraph and I usually end up middle of the team for WP, though woefully low in terms of kills because most of my time is spent hacking and rehacking the enemy home point. I can do this because in PC I can stack hacking mods, dampeners and tank as well as using proto weapons because proto suits allow that sort of fitting to be possible. In pubs I wear advanced gear and that's where scouts fall down - the gap between advanced and proto is MASSIVE. If you only look at CPU per slot, the proto gallente actually looks alright compared to other classes but the advanced is horrible! You don't have this problem with any of the advanced medium suits and I'd say that any class that requires you to be in a proto suit to do well has a problem. Of course there are players that do very well in advanced scout suits too but we're the top 100 ones who have been playing them religiously for the entirety of Uprising. Great players will be great players even in mlt gear - they are not the ones to dictate balance around. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 790	Posted - 2014.03.21 10:24:00 - [29] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Django Quik wrote: Ignore the nonsense about brick scouts not being scouts - that's as bad as the saying logis that get high kill counts aren't logis. Also, if you're actually managing to strafe dodge full-frontal, then I'm assuming you're using kb/m? Because I've never seen anyone using DS3 be able to strafe dodger face to face at all. But that's exactly what this community expect logis just doing logi stuff, scout are just there to die, heavies should be stationary turrets..... Regarding the OP. 1. any brick tanked suit can do in pubs (ok you don't even to brick tank). Most scouts don't think we need more hp because we wan't to SCOUT, not necessarily chasing the latest FOTM weapon and brick tank to be of any use. What's the point of having different suits and roles if the only way to be of any use is stack armor and kill suff like assaults?? Right we could simply remove all but assault suits...what most (real) scouts want is to have a role apart from killing stuff because I can do this with other suits in a better way I don't need to use to lowest hp suit with a nimble speed advantage (that gets negated by armor plates) or a lower profile... I want to actually play as scout sneaking behind enemy lines provide intel, and get rewarded for doing so. Unfortunately CCP forces us to be light slayers as this is the only way for scouts to get a reasonable amount of WP (independent from game modes) And in that regard scouts gets simply outclassed. And just because a good player can be good in that suit against weaker players doesn't change the underlying problem. Well you sort of nailed it. For winning a battle: - Kill the enemy. - Kill the enemy and take his point. - Defend the point by killing the enemy. I don't see the "scout" part of it, whats it supposed to be? Gathering intelligence? I'd much rather take a sniper on top calling stuff out or indeed a post 1.8 Galente logi with dual scanners. "Be sneaky"? to accomplish what? - Other than ninja hacking the enemy objectives making them strip their "frontline" to hold on to their more homely points, are there more things I can't think of? And in this role the scout far outshines any other suit, no one has the stelth/speed/stamina combo of the scouts. The role of a "true scout" IMO would be to be a pest and plague to the other team. You'd normally stay between the enemy main spawn and the main area of fighting, if possible. Being sneaky you engage singe targets and get the drop on them before they can join the rest of their group making their main fotce comparably weaker than yours at the point of contestation. You shouldn't get any sort of WP just to be sneaky, but you do get WPs for all the sneaky kills you get and indeed al the sneaky hacks you pull off no? Be it a logi, heavy, scout or Regnyums grandma, you're still all soldiers, the objective is to kill the enemy and gain map control due to dominating the other team and win the game. The scout is a slightly different take on how to achieve that goal compared to an Assault, you still have a gun, you can still hack and on top of it you can sneak around, going much faster and further than the other suits. I still don't get the massive amount of QQ the scouts have put on these forums for, well, its a whole year now isn't it? I see your point, but gathering intel through scouts can be more useful than you think (if we could provide this). First we are fast and mobile compared to a sniper and we are still on the battle field we don't need to find a spot with good overview we can simply move were we need to be. The thing with hacking is true and not true sure we get to letters fast and stealthy but once we start hacking the game tells every body exactly where we hack (well at least regarding letters). To be honest a heavy with LAV can do this faster with the advantage of beeing able to defend the letter pretty well. Dust seems not to be build around different roles as killing seem always to be the "best" way, which is sad. Regarding the Soldier argument sure we are all mercs and killing may be part of the job, but even soldiers have different tasks and not all of them are around killing as much as possible. The problem most scouts had is that everything could be done better or at equal quality with m ore HP and versatility. This may change with 1.8.
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 973	Posted - 2014.03.21 10:43:00 - [30] - Quote Try the same thing on the minmatar scout. It struggles to fit complex shields on the proto + weapons even with Electronics 4. There's always a compromise that has to be made and there's very little you can do with 2 lows. Also it does require a greater SP sink simply to avoid most scanners cus you also need the dampening skill up. And if your going to have the proto Gal scout you may as well make the most of the scan range increase so thats more SP in there. As others have said. The scout is slower, less protected, less stealthy (Minmatar at least) and can't equip slots as well as most Mid suits. So where does that leave them in terms of a role? They have no niche like the heavies but are outclassed everywhere else. "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"

Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 835	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:05:00 - [31] - Quote You already seemed to have loads of SP so the transition to scout would be much easier. Allotek hives, really? You went straight for Proto, using proto equipment with proto mods and weapons. Most of us had to slowly work up scouts, the scout is great at Pro but scales poorly. You played a pub match. Again the Proto is a huge advantage when most players are using Adv or lower. You really see the disadvantages in PC matches. You are most likely using a rifle, probably combat rifle. Rifles are so OP they can make any suit amazing. Try shotguns or nova knives...much different story. If you're using a rifle there is almost no need to run a scout, logi and assault does so much better. Hard to strafe AA from rifles.
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 810	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:07:00 - [32] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Like many others I decided to put the events 3 M SP into another suit to get a new experience knowing that the SPs will be refunded shortly. So I got the Galente scout and I've been running it for 2 days. I have various fits off course but lets focus on a more "assault fitted suit". So I get 160 shields 470 armor with a 6.25 passive rep, and an Allotek hive to get that armor back when I'm in a tight spot. Its fast, semi stealthy and wields proto weapons. Yes its obviously not a dual tanked logi fit with 1000 HP but it works very well, I've had many solid games with it, several with 30+ kills and 1-3 deaths. I also suppose the dampened speed tanked shotty fit I have is a great one with a little skillpoints invested in the shotty and a little time invested in playing that particular role. Even though the shields are only 160, they still come back extremely fast. I often take 500 points of damage, go to cover, toss down an allotek hive and I'm ready to go. I've also noticed that people hit me way less in this suit. I've gone up against several tanky protosuits front to front and won cause they simply can't track my strafeing. So I ask you, (mostly too) proud scouts of this community, Whats with all the QQ? I've seen thread after thread from scouts claiming their suits, indeed their entire role is UP. I've held my tongue cause I haven't had a scout suit properly specced yet. But after running it for 2 days I just can't see what the big deal is about. Take away the 2 damage mods and the HP and rep speed is almost identical to my Amarr assault. Yes 2 damage mods or 2 shield extenders is more but the Amarr assault would be a much worse suit if I tried to match the scout suits speed and stealth.... What exactly is or soon to be "was" the big deal about scout suits being UP? I don't get it..... Late to the party, but here's another 2c. In my experience, it isn't that well fitted proto scouts with supporting core skills and gun game are UP. Full proto scouts can be very competitive and have a number of advantages over medium and heavy suits, regardless of how you fit them. At the basic and advanced tiers, scouts suffer. More so if you don't have the core skills to support them. They're hard to fit, easy to kill, and the scout specific advantages are minimized. If you really want to give it a try and see what it's like, instead of being a tourist looking down from a passing proto train, try an alt without all the core skills. Or even just limited to the advanced level. The difference is substantial. Knowledge is power
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 230	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:11:00 - [33] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: becuase most scouts dont brick tank... So its like: Scout: Oh noes, I have so little HP, just glance at me and I'm dead! Anyone else: Why don't you put some more HP on that suit then? You have plenty of fitting space... Scout: No but then it wouldn't be a proper scout, please buff. We never said that thats the people that are used to assault your not supposed to be seen in the first place. Were stealthy not quick and unscanable not slower brick tankers. Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 230	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:14:00 - [34] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Most scouts don't run with an allotek nanohive Most gallente scouts don't run with more than 300ish armor Scouts are meant for being fast, being sneaky, and E-war. Most scouts complain because they get killed way too quickly...mostly because high alpha weapons don't let them retaliate, and scanners can detect them sneaking up on players. You can brick tank anything and do decent with it, especially if you have good weapons. If a scout can't scout because of broken weapons and mechanics, what's the point of the advantages it has? This is why 1.8 will be the update scouts have been wanting forever. What he said ^ Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 215	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:16:00 - [35] - Quote yeah so your flyby scout is just a brick tanked assault i'm sure you just played the outside and got kills with your proto long range weapon do you even hack bro? did you rush the objective like a real scout would? did you run links to get your team in a better position? did you run stealth mods or scan mods like most scouts do? you didn't did you instead you bricked tanked and slapped a selfish piece of equipment on your scout why don't you run that scout with 87 shields and 162 armor and report back Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1795	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:22:00 - [36] - Quote i'm sorry in advance if i sound harsh or condescending. we say scouts are UP, because of a few things. 1.) it's a fact. they have some of the least CPU in the game, ESPECIALLY the minmatar scout. 2.) most scouts don't brick tank their suits. from what it looks like, that's exactly what you're doing. that's not being a scout. that's just being an assault who's decided to abuse another suit. that alone makes me want to stop typing, as that is the one thing that disgusts me more than other thing in this game. people who abuse the scout by brick tanking it, then claiming it's fine just because it can brick tank. please don't abuse a suit, then come on the forums saying it's fine just because it can build alot of ehp. not everyone wants to brick tank, and not everyone should have to. Anime > EVERYTHING
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 215	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:31:00 - [37] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: i'm sorry in advance if i sound harsh or condescending. we say scouts are UP, because of a few things. 1.) it's a fact. they have some of the least CPU in the game, ESPECIALLY the minmatar scout. 2.) most scouts don't brick tank their suits. from what it looks like, that's exactly what you're doing. that's not being a scout. that's just being an assault who's decided to abuse another suit. that alone makes me want to stop typing, as that is the one thing that disgusts me more than other thing in this game. people who abuse the scout by brick tanking it, then claiming it's fine just because it can brick tank. please don't abuse a suit, then come on the forums saying it's fine just because it can build alot of ehp. not everyone wants to brick tank, and not everyone should have to. I brick my PC battle scout and I dont think brick tanking is a bad thing for certain situations but what the OP needs to realize is you dont get to brick tank at low level scout you dont get the stealth, stamina, speed, passive scans at low level i'm sure babar has over 40 mill SP and all passives maxed he didint take the good with the bad in this suit he got his bonus SP went straight to proto and buffed it in a way most dont and then came on the trollums and said it a wonderful suit Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Echo 1991 WarRavens League of Infamy 134	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:48:00 - [38] - Quote Scouts arent meant to be brick tanked. they are supposed to be the 'im gonna sneak behind you and ** your ** up' suit. and as others have mentioned, at lower levels you can get more than around an extra 2-300hp on it. it did need some love.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 4835	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:04:00 - [39] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: becuase most scouts dont brick tank... So its like: Scout: Oh noes, I have so little HP, just glance at me and I'm dead! Anyone else: Why don't you put some more HP on that suit then? You have plenty of fitting space... Scout: No but then it wouldn't be a proper scout, please buff. This is the problem with Dust. There is no fitting metagame. There is only brick-tanking. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1711	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:05:00 - [40] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Most scouts complain because they get killed way too quickly...mostly because high alpha weapons don't let them retaliate ... ^ Slight Correction: Most scouts complain because they get killed way too quickly ... after getting the drop on a target from behind.

Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2468	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:12:00 - [41] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: KingBabar wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: becuase most scouts dont brick tank... So its like: Scout: Oh noes, I have so little HP, just glance at me and I'm dead! Anyone else: Why don't you put some more HP on that suit then? You have plenty of fitting space... Scout: No but then it wouldn't be a proper scout, please buff. This is the problem with Dust. There is no fitting metagame. There is only brick-tanking. Maybe this will change with lower TTK in 1.8. Perhaps rep tanking will actually be viable... perhaps and maybe... But I shall reiterate one more time for everyone - stop douching on brick tank scouts; if it's possible, it's a perfectly acceptable suit as any other combination in the game is. For Babar, just try brick tanking anything other than the proto gallente scout and you'll quickly see our issues. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5169	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:14:00 - [42] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: Most scouts complain because they get killed way too quickly...mostly because high alpha weapons don't let them retaliate ... ^ Slight Correction: Most scouts complain because they get killed way too quickly ... after getting the drop on a target from behind. Honestly yeah, the turn speed between classes was flattened and it took away part of the scouts key advantages: mobility. Oh and that ***** rail rifle at close range, ** that gun. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1804	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:14:00 - [43] - Quote No fitting metagame? Meh, you obviously dont get it :D Drop it like its hat.
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven 617	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:17:00 - [44] - Quote KingBabar wrote: STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: Run PC and wait til someone you killed decides to be a **** and run permascans with the focused then all your advantages disappear lol. Thats really what I've found to be the worst thing for me in any match, especially PC. Currently tha scanner takes 5 seconds to use, ample time to kill the user, and it will only show you on the map for 5 seconds, then the scanner has a 25 second cooldown. For this to be effective the other team needs 4-6 of these in action spread among 2-4 players. 3 reasons why you feel this way -you are a solid player, could probably do well in any suit -lolpubs over 3days is hardly enough time to experience a scout suit - brick tanked with triage Pro-fit Prophet "Gimme yo lunch money"
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 4838	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:18:00 - [45] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: No fitting metagame? Meh, you obviously dont get it :D How don't I get it, pray tell? I've watched unique fits with radically different capabilites all die out completely in favor of filling every last slot with plates and extenders, because that's the ONLY way to survive any length of time in a fight. When the game requires you to strip your fit of any and all utility modules and stack HP just to be able to play, something is wrong. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 29	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:23:00 - [46] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Be it a logi, heavy, scout or Regnyums grandma, you're still all soldiers, the objective is to kill the enemy and gain map control due to dominating the other team and win the game. The scout is a slightly different take on how to achieve that goal compared to an Assault, you still have a gun, you can still hack and on top of it you can sneak around, going much faster and further than the other suits. I still don't get the massive amount of QQ the scouts have put on these forums for, well, its a whole year now isn't it? Your mindset is that of a true powergamer. I dont mean this to offend you, its a totally legitimate place to be, but you focus upon winning before everything else. You are creative only as long as it is necessary to solve the problem: how do I win most reliably in any given scenario, and then run with what you found most capable of doing that. You only change if the circumstances change. And thats totally okay. But I think there is another way of playing. It is more a style of constant experiment. Even if what you do is already the most efficient way of doing it. It is the notion that not the winning itself is rewarding. Instead the reward is winning (or just playing) in unexpected ways, that constantly change. Or even more distant to the power gaming mindset: Fluff playing. Playing the role you think is cool, not that is most efficiently solving the mechanical problem of winning as reliably as you can. Here the reward is fulfilling the role you see most fitting from a lore standpoint, and simply go by taste or what you find looks cool. I guess this is a clash of paradigms, that will always continue. But I think everyone should be able to play in any sort of way he deems appropriate and fun. So I would balance things this way. Why have any Suit variety at all? No pure logical reason to be found there.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1804	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:26:00 - [47] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: becuase most scouts dont brick tank... So its like: Scout: Oh noes, I have so little HP, just glance at me and I'm dead! Anyone else: Why don't you put some more HP on that suit then? You have plenty of fitting space... Scout: No but then it wouldn't be a proper scout, please buff. I LOL'd. Drop it like its hat.
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2874	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:29:00 - [48] - Quote Its not up, I run a minja that dies if it jumps off a ledge. People are just nubs. The cloak will make the game stupid very quickly, just like every update we have had yet, it will become fotm and anyone who has been around since beta that thinks otherwise would have to be an idiot, I'm sorry. Every fking update. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I'll behave
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 4841	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:32:00 - [49] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Its not up, I run a minja that dies if it jumps off a ledge. People are just nubs. The cloak will make the game stupid very quickly, just like every update we have had yet, it will become fotm and anyone who has been around since beta that thinks otherwise would have to be an idiot, I'm sorry. Every fking update. Given you can still scan people even while they're cloaked, and that you can even set up a Caldari Scout to be able to PASSIVE scan people while cloaked even if they're also using Profile Damps, I think you need to drop the bittervet BS and HTFU, son. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 436	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:33:00 - [50] - Quote Picks up toughest scout and brick tanks it week before its huge buff yet never played anything other than proto scout and missed being a scout during: The tac AR LAZER rifles The fish bowl Sniper distance AR Chrome heavies The AR again The stamina nerf The huge hotbox speed lag Strafe changes Movement speed of turning being equal to heavy Minmatar scout Minmatar scout during armor buff The mass driver fiasco Faylock nightmare month The AR Heavies with AR the combat rifle Rail rifle Heavies with combat rifles an rail rifles Core nades from every direction Drop ships Tanks Thale snipers Nyan San Pc Assaults with 700 HP scouts everywhere untill real scouts get them NERFED just to shut you up and make you cry for your 3 mill sp AND IT WILL HAPPEN LOL! You think your badass bud? Put on a adv minmatar scout and fit all that proto on it, better yet here's your new fit mister badass Adv min scout Complex shield Basic shield Basic combat rifle Ish nova knives Compact hive Enh red Complex green Go 35/5 with at least 15 knife kills and film the whole match and all contents of the fit everytime you spawn and I ll give you 20 mill mister big shot! That fit, 15 knife kills, under 5 deaths and 20 cr kills, and if you wanna double that 40 mill and just a pistol an knives, welcome to scoutville, tourist! You got till patch to post the whole video wit no edits. Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!

Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1713	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:34:00 - [51] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: ... and that you can even set up a Caldari Scout to be able to PASSIVE scan people while cloaked even if they're also using Profile Damps ... I wish!
Varoth Drac The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 25	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:35:00 - [52] - Quote I can see the OP's point of view but there are a few reasons why I believe he's incorrect. As you have stated you are using a more assault-scout style. There is nothing wrong with that. However, firstly it shouldn't be the only way to play as a scout, and secondly there are a couple of issues that need considering about assault scouts. Firstly - strafing Aim assist has been toned down recently making it more possible for scouts to avoid damage than it used to be. So the situation is a bit better for scouts now than in the past and this is one reason there is less scout QQ. More importantly, scout's strafe advantage is amplified by players that are particularly good at strafing. I'd wager you are one of those players, which is great but a more average player such as myself will struggle much more with an assault scout than you simply because I don't have excellent strafing skills, leading you to believe the suit is balanced when it isn't. Secondly - basic plates/brick tanking. I believe basic plates are too easy to fit and have too little speed penalty. This means that there is almost no point fitting anything else in your low slots. Everyone should just be a moderately brick tanked assault suit with a rep hive. You can use a scout suit if you like and you will do well trading some hp for strafe speed and scanner avoidance. Trouble is this is boring, people want to play with different styles using different low slots. Scout should be an excellent suit for facilitating use of play styles other than assault. I agree that killing is the primary goal of most players but it's the way that is achieved I am talking about. For example, instead of your very successful scout-assault build someone might want to fit biotics and dampeners, flank round behind the enemy, shotgun them in the back and then escape before retaliation. These kinds of alternative play-styles that scouts should be good at are underpowered. So in summary: - It would be nice if the suit rewarded brains as well as just great controller skill that isn't available to the majority of players. - Play-styles/fitting other than brick-assault-assaults/logis/scouts should be viable. Additional note on sp cost: This issue of being skill intensive is to do with scanning and being scanned. Not such a problem if you are an assault-scout, but if you want to play the stealth game as many do, you need a high amount of sp to remain hidden from scanners and be able to detect others. 1.8 is addressing these issues. What 1.8 is not helping is the high sp cost of biotics, shields (you need complex) and cloaks (you need scout level 4/5), but well, you can't have everything I guess.
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2874	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:35:00 - [53] - Quote Dust in a nutshell. Massive customisation! Play how you want, your way, BUT get owned for doing so. Its also an mmofps! But we nerf your sht in favour of scrubs who will just quit anyway, and we're laser focussed on this biach, hell yea!. Dust 514, winning like Charlie sheen, all day. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I'll behave
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2874	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:36:00 - [54] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Its not up, I run a minja that dies if it jumps off a ledge. People are just nubs. The cloak will make the game stupid very quickly, just like every update we have had yet, it will become fotm and anyone who has been around since beta that thinks otherwise would have to be an idiot, I'm sorry. Every fking update. Given you can still scan people even while they're cloaked, and that you can even set up a Caldari Scout to be able to PASSIVE scan people while cloaked even if they're also using Profile Damps, I think you need to drop the bittervet BS and HTFU, son. I think you should simply just stfu boy. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I'll behave
jhon hartigan Maphia Clan Corporation 244	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:45:00 - [55] - Quote Hey KingBabar, I ve only Read the OP and not all the answers. You know that I respect you as player and as person. (I hope you remember who I really am :)) I think the answer to your question is that you were, I believe, playing in Public. You re a good player playing against newbies and you are also using a proto suit. For the most part it is your own skills at shooting that is killing, not your suit. You should try it in a PC or against good players to really test if it is or not UP. Cya.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 4841	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:47:00 - [56] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: ... and that you can even set up a Caldari Scout to be able to PASSIVE scan people while cloaked even if they're also using Profile Damps ... I wish! Have you tried it? 2x Complex Precision Enhancers, Complex Range Amplifier. You'll see cloaked Scouts out to 57 meters. The Cloak doesn't make you invisible to scans. It only drops your Scan Profile by 25%. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2874	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:48:00 - [57] - Quote STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: Run PC and wait til someone you killed decides to be a **** and run permascans with the focused then all your advantages disappear lol. Thats really what I've found to be the worst thing for me in any match, especially PC. I never thought the scout suit was bad, just needed a few adjustments like its getting in 1.8 so I'm thrilled with that. Then get one up on their butthurt arse, brick tank the scout with re's and an ar, start playing like an assault so they end up putting it away, then switch back to ewar fit and carry on. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I'll behave
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 4844	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:50:00 - [58] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: Run PC and wait til someone you killed decides to be a **** and run permascans with the focused then all your advantages disappear lol. Thats really what I've found to be the worst thing for me in any match, especially PC. I never thought the scout suit was bad, just needed a few adjustments like its getting in 1.8 so I'm thrilled with that. Then get one up on their butthurt arse, brick tank the scout with re's and an ar, start playing like an assault so they end up putting it away, then switch back to ewar fit and carry on. That's assuming they would ever not run the scanner. This is PC we're talking about, man. If you pull out a single dampened Scout, the person FCing the fight is going to call for at least one guy to run as high-tier a scanner as possible for the rest of the match. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Protected Void Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 249	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:59:00 - [59] - Quote Babar: To sum it up, unless you have tried at least three at a time of the following - for at least 100 matches - your argument is simply not valid: Run in an advanced level scout suit Run solo or in a squad with a maximum of two other players, of which only one runs mostly proto gear Run a scout suit prior to Uprising 1.7 (it was harder before) Face a squad of proto players using proto scanners (any proto scanner, not just the focused) Run a scout suit without having your core skills maxed out I have all my relevant fitting skills maxed out, here's what I can fit on my advanced level Gallente scout: Advanced level Scrambler rifle Toxin SMG blueprint Advanced level locus grenade Complex KinCat Complex range extender Complex Shield extender The cheapest uplink (stable?) That's right, not enough CPU/PG to even put anything in my second high slot. Or, I can replace the uplink with the cheapest nanohive and bathe in the luxury of a basic shield extender extra. Hoorah! And no, running proto is not economically viable in most matches. I have proto fittings that I tend to do better in than in my advanced fittings, but that's kind of null and void when two deaths equal a net loss of 150000 ISK or so - even if I top the leaderboard and my team wins the match.
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2874	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:00:00 - [60] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: Run PC and wait til someone you killed decides to be a **** and run permascans with the focused then all your advantages disappear lol. Thats really what I've found to be the worst thing for me in any match, especially PC. I never thought the scout suit was bad, just needed a few adjustments like its getting in 1.8 so I'm thrilled with that. Then get one up on their butthurt arse, brick tank the scout with re's and an ar, start playing like an assault so they end up putting it away, then switch back to ewar fit and carry on. That's assuming they would ever not run the scanner. This is PC we're talking about, man. If you pull out a single dampened Scout, the person FCing the fight is going to call for at least one guy to run as high-tier a scanner as possible for the rest of the match. It all depends. I'm hiding your posts because you are actually behaving like my little sister when she was 16 trying to be all picky, its really sad lol. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I'll behave

Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 4847	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:03:00 - [61] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: Run PC and wait til someone you killed decides to be a **** and run permascans with the focused then all your advantages disappear lol. Thats really what I've found to be the worst thing for me in any match, especially PC. I never thought the scout suit was bad, just needed a few adjustments like its getting in 1.8 so I'm thrilled with that. Then get one up on their butthurt arse, brick tank the scout with re's and an ar, start playing like an assault so they end up putting it away, then switch back to ewar fit and carry on. That's assuming they would ever not run the scanner. This is PC we're talking about, man. If you pull out a single dampened Scout, the person FCing the fight is going to call for at least one guy to run as high-tier a scanner as possible for the rest of the match. It all depends. I'm hiding your posts because you are actually behaving like my little sister when she was 16 trying to be all picky, its really sad lol. Okay, so this is why my compatriots say there's no point in discussing anything with you. Noted. I just won't even bother now. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Crow Splat DUST University Ivy League 152	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:39:00 - [62] - Quote I never understood the UP comments either. Scouts are not bad at all and I have run them since open beta. What I can agree with is that they needed something. A gimmick if you will. Heavies get heavy weapons, assaults are the baseline, logis get equipment, but scouts have always just been a faster assault suit with less hp. There just wasn't a lot of wiggle room in their capabilities. They weren't bad, just not very flexible, or i guess you could say that they just went the special snowflake that a lot of folks thought they should be. With 1.8, I think scouts will be in a good place. I don't think they will get any more popular but the style of play that a lot of scouts have wanted since forever will finally be workable.
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 247	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:57:00 - [63] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Like many others I decided to put the events 3 M SP into another suit to get a new experience knowing that the SPs will be refunded shortly. So I got the Galente scout and I've been running it for 2 days. I have various fits off course but lets focus on a more "assault fitted suit". So I get 160 shields 470 armor with a 6.25 passive rep, and an Allotek hive to get that armor back when I'm in a tight spot. Its fast, semi stealthy and wields proto weapons. Yes its obviously not a dual tanked logi fit with 1000 HP but it works very well, I've had many solid games with it, several with 30+ kills and 1-3 deaths. I also suppose the dampened speed tanked shotty fit I have is a great one with a little skillpoints invested in the shotty and a little time invested in playing that particular role. Even though the shields are only 160, they still come back extremely fast. I often take 500 points of damage, go to cover, toss down an allotek hive and I'm ready to go. I've also noticed that people hit me way less in this suit. I've gone up against several tanky protosuits front to front and won cause they simply can't track my strafeing. So I ask you, (mostly too) proud scouts of this community, Whats with all the QQ? I've seen thread after thread from scouts claiming their suits, indeed their entire role is UP. I've held my tongue cause I haven't had a scout suit properly specced yet. But after running it for 2 days I just can't see what the big deal is about. Take away the 2 damage mods and the HP and rep speed is almost identical to my Amarr assault. Yes 2 damage mods or 2 shield extenders is more but the Amarr assault would be a much worse suit if I tried to match the scout suits speed and stealth.... What exactly is or soon to be "was" the big deal about scout suits being UP? I don't get it..... You said it at the beginning of your post. The most successful scout fit is simply a light assault fit, not a scout fit. Try a speed tanked SG scout before 1.8. In certain situations it is beastly, but in most it results in a quick death. I have been hit in the back by a SG scout while in my Adv scout suit, & simply turned around & dropped him with 3 burst from my CR. This happens far too many times.
Yan Darn Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 371	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:03:00 - [64] - Quote KingBabar wrote: More SP than other suits to be viable? Really? Tell that to my logi suit.... Off course it isn't better at assaulting than the assault suits are.... doh. I'm merely stating that they're surprisngly good at the job, when properly fitted. No I wouldn't have specced scout regardless, I like to have more than 1 equipment slot.... And don't get me wrong here, I do look foreward to the 1.8 change, I'll finally get back to my true role, the scout. I used scout suits for 3 of the 4 beta builds and it was merely the removal of that second equiment slot for proto suits that made me switch to logi suits, I wanna do a little more than shoot people and restock my ammo... My point is more of the line of: "yes the light frames are weaker, but they're far from as useless as many of the forum scout QQers have presented them as." Many of you have been acting like its as useless as contact nades.... I didn't say it was the most SP intensive for that reason - my point was,'a newbro scout is gonna have a much harder time getting a scout to scout than an assault to assault or sentinel to...sentinel. As a logi you will have things like fitting skills maxed I assume, and you have spare SP to put into the three electronics skills and hacking. An assault or sentinel doesn't need those things to be useful in its role. The current scout is pretty much outperformed by other suits at most things - before I started dropping points in DS command I seriously considered min-logi, but I had faith CCP would make things right (only took 7months for me...longer for others). So I call a frame that can be generally outperformed in it's role by another frame and mediocre at performing the role of other frames as UP. It's like using the AR over RR/CR. These are things scouts have QQed over - no dedicated scout has said the scout is useless and not worth using. A little bit like tanks before 1.7. The Ghost of Bravo
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1995	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:04:00 - [65] - Quote I'm off for a short nap and come back to all of this. - To the dude with the vid challenge: I'll do a solo play with med suit and a pair of basic pistols, I don't have any nova skills and I don't think using a bran new and very different weapon is a good test of a suits capabilities anyway. - I started at launch with a proto caldari logi and a maxed out AR and halfways maxed out core skills. For me to use it and make any sort of viable oppinion about it I have to use a proto suit. I can't simply run a dragonfly and compare it to my 900 HP PC Callogi fit....lets be real here. - All you babies claiming I should use the suit this or that way, you're all morons. I tested various setups, I used one very much which had a proto scanner, a dampener and about 300 armor. Great fun with the added challenge of running out of ammo and relying on my basic scrambler, I got 6 kills one time before running out of that ammo too, mellee didn't go so well...... - I've had tons of fun on a lighter (2 basic plates) version wich can fit a freedom mass driver and proto flux nades while being dampened. Yes very situational but I had some very amusing moments sneaking up on groups of triage-hive camping slowsies. - I used the "assault setup" just to illustrate that you can get 630 HP and a Godly Allotek hive on it, even with a proto weapon. It was a way for me to test the suit in the role its NOT supposed to be good at, straight up attack, assaulting is a word that comes to mind. I'm no great snaky ninja with Master RE tossing skills, I'm merely a grunt who drags along some equipment while I try and smite all the reds on my way to the objective. I can only imagine how good a scout suit works with those deadly knives or 1-2 shot for a kill shottys, in a more stealthy, much faster "classic scout" sort of way. - And the winner goes to however said something about me standing around in the outskirts with long range weapons. LOL FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 597	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:07:00 - [66] - Quote Scouts aren't as bad as people think. I run adv gallante fit for scanning and dampening with under 300 hp and do fine. Yes I need to nade heavies (flux if I'm cbr locus if I'm Scr) Yes I will lose long rnge engagements in the open. But it plays fine and I do just as well with it as my rail logi or Scr heavy. I think the problem is against relly good teams with high levels Of communication it struggles. But then I just switch to a role more fitting to the situation. Some people in this game want to stubbornly stick to a class and not bother diversifying and then complain thier role is up cause it can't do everything. Scouts are going to be OP in 1.8. The extra equipment slot, the extra fcpu/pg the extra slot, the lower profile, higher range and better percision? The cloak that only they can use? CCP should've made one of those 5 changes, not all 5. They were viable before and now it's gunna he cray cray.
jerrmy12 kahoalii 580	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:24:00 - [67] - Quote Bones McGavins wrote: Scouts aren't as bad as people think. I run adv gallante fit for scanning and dampening with under 300 hp and do fine. Yes I need to nade heavies (flux if I'm cbr locus if I'm Scr) Yes I will lose long rnge engagements in the open. But it plays fine and I do just as well with it as my rail logi or Scr heavy. I think the problem is against relly good teams with high levels Of communication it struggles. But then I just switch to a role more fitting to the situation. Some people in this game want to stubbornly stick to a class and not bother diversifying and then complain thier role is up cause it can't do everything. Scouts are going to be OP in 1.8. The extra equipment slot, the extra fcpu/pg the extra slot, the lower profile, higher range and better percision? The cloak that only they can use? CCP should've made one of those 5 changes, not all 5. They were viable before and now it's gunna he cray cray. For scouting purposes, no they werent... Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout. Dark souls 2 new game plus.
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 248	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:24:00 - [68] - Quote Bones McGavins wrote: Scouts are going to be OP in 1.8. The extra equipment slot, the extra fcpu/pg the extra slot, the lower profile, higher range and better percision? The cloak that only they can use? CCP should've made one of those 5 changes, not all 5. They were viable before and now it's gunna he cray cray. More like 2-3 of the changes. The cloak decision is what screws it all up. CCP didnt make it a built in scout module so they had to give a second equipment then they had to cater for that by giving even more CPU/PG for slot plus equipment plus cloak. Its amazing that after logis have been abused for so long CCP would offer up another suit for players to forego being scouty and trick it out players to be more efficient slayers. The suit did need alot of love and will be fine if used the way intended; problem is that isnt the game CCP created and once again shows their balancing ability is suspect. An Assault buff and possibly a slight Logi nerf should do the trick. Commandos may also need a bit of something (maybe speed) but lets see how that goes first. "Shine bright like a diamond"
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2000	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:31:00 - [69] - Quote Protected Void wrote: Babar: To sum it up, unless you have tried at least three at a time of the following - for at least 100 matches - your argument is simply not valid: Run in an advanced level scout suit Run solo or in a squad with a maximum of two other players, of which only one runs mostly proto gear Run a scout suit prior to Uprising 1.7 (it was harder before) Face a squad of proto players using proto scanners (any proto scanner, not just the focused) Run a scout suit without having your core skills maxed out I have all my relevant fitting skills maxed out, here's what I can fit on my advanced level Gallente scout: Advanced level Scrambler rifle Toxin SMG blueprint Advanced level locus grenade Complex KinCat Complex range extender Complex Shield extender The cheapest uplink (stable?) That's right, not enough CPU/PG to even put anything in my second high slot. Or, I can replace the uplink with the cheapest nanohive and bathe in the luxury of a basic shield extender extra. Hoorah! And no, running proto is not economically viable in most matches. I have proto fittings that I tend to do better in than in my advanced fittings, but that's kind of null and void when two deaths equal a net loss of 150000 ISK or so - even if I top the leaderboard and my team wins the match. Thats probably the most ludacris setup I've ever seen. Seriously, if we had a sarcastic "This is the setup I actually use" competition, you'd probably win. WOW just WOW. You're not exactly helping the "scouts are UP" crowd here. On a related note. I do think the minmatar scout looks very weak on paper for doing anything but being a ninja nova knifer and soon also ninja hacker. Its a specialist suit that reminds me of the Amarr assault. I also don't think its fair to judge the assault class after the Minmatar assault suit.... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1616	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:31:00 - [70] - Quote well you didn't understand the problem. we complained that everything our suits could do another suit could do better which is a completely legitimate argument. 1.8 ends that though with cloaking scouts can now do something better than any other suit can. GÇ£Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I am dampened.GÇ¥ Ko6 scout,

Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2469	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:36:00 - [71] - Quote Babar, you seem to be completely ignoring the very important point I and others have made several other times - the proto gallente scout is the least UP of all the scout suits and was always the one with the least problems. You can't just wear the most powerful suit, think it's fine and then declare all scout suits as fine. I know it's totally against your nature but if you really wanted to get an objective view of where all our scout complaints are coming from, you'll try a different suit, like the advanced gallente scout, since you already have that unlocked. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2001	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:44:00 - [72] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: well you didn't understand the problem. we complained that everything our suits could do another suit could do better which is a completely legitimate argument. 1.8 ends that though with cloaking scouts can now do something better than any other suit can. Curious. I was under the impression that scouts QQ mostly was about them being way too easy to kill, and by extension wasn't a relevant class. Anyways, I do see the "all other classes can do it better" arguent, and I reject it. So many here take it for solid fact that the logi suits are better at assaulting than the assault suits are, but I'm very convinced of the fact that both my Ammar assault and my Caldari assault is far more deadly than my sluggish caldari logi is. In the same way I do believe that when trying to run and flank in a stealthy setup trying to literrally backstab, or do it with a shotgun, the scout suit is the best suit for it. No other suit can match the move/stamina/stealth combo which is vital for that sort of play. In a way, the two best closeup weapons, nova knife and shotty is kind of reserved for the class, by tradition at least. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2001	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:46:00 - [73] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Babar, you seem to be completely ignoring the very important point I and others have made several other times - the proto gallente scout is the least UP of all the scout suits and was always the one with the least problems. You can't just wear the most powerful suit, think it's fine and then declare all scout suits as fine. I know it's totally against your nature but if you really wanted to get an objective view of where all our scout complaints are coming from, you'll try a different suit, like the advanced gallente scout, since you already have that unlocked. I'm on it. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1518	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:46:00 - [74] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Like many others I decided to put the events 3 M SP into another suit to get a new experience knowing that the SPs will be refunded shortly. So I got the Galente scout and I've been running it for 2 days. I have various fits off course but lets focus on a more "assault fitted suit". So I get 160 shields 470 armor with a 6.25 passive rep, and an Allotek hive to get that armor back when I'm in a tight spot. Its fast, semi stealthy and wields proto weapons. Yes its obviously not a dual tanked logi fit with 1000 HP but it works very well, I've had many solid games with it, several with 30+ kills and 1-3 deaths. I also suppose the dampened speed tanked shotty fit I have is a great one with a little skillpoints invested in the shotty and a little time invested in playing that particular role. Even though the shields are only 160, they still come back extremely fast. I often take 500 points of damage, go to cover, toss down an allotek hive and I'm ready to go. I've also noticed that people hit me way less in this suit. I've gone up against several tanky protosuits front to front and won cause they simply can't track my strafeing. So I ask you, (mostly too) proud scouts of this community, Whats with all the QQ? I've seen thread after thread from scouts claiming their suits, indeed their entire role is UP. I've held my tongue cause I haven't had a scout suit properly specced yet. But after running it for 2 days I just can't see what the big deal is about. Take away the 2 damage mods and the HP and rep speed is almost identical to my Amarr assault. Yes 2 damage mods or 2 shield extenders is more but the Amarr assault would be a much worse suit if I tried to match the scout suits speed and stealth.... What exactly is or soon to be "was" the big deal about scout suits being UP? I don't get it..... Scouts are OP. It just takes a brain. The tactical application of a scout is myriad. Everyone wants to be an assault with it. That's fine if you understand you will lose a fair fight. I set rules to follow and if I keep my role in mind I don't die. I've stalked whole squads, murdering at every turn in the road. Once you cause the fear even hardened mercs get jumpy. I may be a bit unorthadox but a Duvolle on a GK.O is the best Imo. Who wants some?
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2005	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:49:00 - [75] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: KingBabar wrote: What exactly is or soon to be "was" the big deal about scout suits being UP? I don't get it..... Scouts are OP. It just takes a brain. The tactical application of a scout is myriad. Everyone wants to be an assault with it. That's fine if you understand you will lose a fair fight. I set rules to follow and if I keep my role in mind I don't die. I've stalked whole squads, murdering at every turn in the road. Once you cause the fear even hardened mercs get jumpy. I may be a bit unorthadox but a Duvolle on a GK.O is the best Imo. Funny you should mention that... it was the last thing I tested an it was gold. That accurate hipfire with that strafe speed... I only played 2-3 games. looking foreward for more. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2880	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:50:00 - [76] - Quote This whole thread is really inspiring me to play on my minja, which will be an Ninmarr in 1.8????????????? Amarrinja? Aminja? No that sounds too much like a minja I'm high. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I'll behave
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2880	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:51:00 - [77] - Quote AHA!!! a Ninjarr! Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I'll behave
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1519	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:56:00 - [78] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Babar, you seem to be completely ignoring the very important point I and others have made several other times - the proto gallente scout is the least UP of all the scout suits and was always the one with the least problems. You can't just wear the most powerful suit, think it's fine and then declare all scout suits as fine. I know it's totally against your nature but if you really wanted to get an objective view of where all our scout complaints are coming from, you'll try a different suit, like the advanced gallente scout, since you already have that unlocked. I have both. My MK.O is great for guerrilla tactics. Its a different fight than the Gallente scout. With my GK.O or dragonfly I have less time spent in combat roles. The minmatar seems built for terrorist attacks. Hang around engagement zones and cleanup. I never run knives. I dont see the point. Who wants some?
Xaviah Reaper Nyain San 280	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:58:00 - [79] - Quote If scouts want to be able to play as a "proper" scout, being an untrackable, super fast, squishy assassin. The suits sprint speed should be near doubled, and prevent any extra health mods from being added to its base hp. That way they have like 200hp, but are incredibly hard to hit. problem solved? Best game with a Python: 33kills 1 death (1.6) 24kills 1 death (1.7)
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2881	Posted - 2014.03.21 15:01:00 - [80] - Quote Xaviah Reaper wrote: If scouts want to be able to play as a "proper" scout, being an untrackable, super fast, squishy assassin. The suits sprint speed should be near doubled, and prevent any extra health mods from being added to its base hp. That way they have like 200hp, but are incredibly hard to hit. problem solved? That would be ludicrously funny and I'd love that lol. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I'll behave

InsidiousN KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 192	Posted - 2014.03.21 15:02:00 - [81] - Quote KingBabar wrote: I'm off for a short nap and come back to all of this. - To the dude with the vid challenge: I'll do a solo play with med suit and a pair of basic pistols, I don't have any nova skills and I don't think using a bran new and very different weapon is a good test of a suits capabilities anyway. - I started at launch with a proto caldari logi and a maxed out AR and halfways maxed out core skills. For me to use it and make any sort of viable oppinion about it I have to use a proto suit. I can't simply run a dragonfly and compare it to my 900 HP PC Callogi fit....lets be real here. - All you babies claiming I should use the suit this or that way, you're all morons. I tested various setups, I used one very much which had a proto scanner, a dampener and about 300 armor. Great fun with the added challenge of running out of ammo and relying on my basic scrambler, I got 6 kills one time before running out of that ammo too, mellee didn't go so well...... - I've had tons of fun on a lighter (2 basic plates) version wich can fit a freedom mass driver and proto flux nades while being dampened. Yes very situational but I had some very amusing moments sneaking up on groups of triage-hive camping slowsies. - I used the "assault setup" just to illustrate that you can get 630 HP and a Godly Allotek hive on it, even with a proto weapon. It was a way for me to test the suit in the role its NOT supposed to be good at, straight up attack, assaulting is a word that comes to mind. I'm no great snaky ninja with Master RE tossing skills, I'm merely a grunt who drags along some equipment while I try and smite all the reds on my way to the objective. I can only imagine how good a scout suit works with those deadly knives or 1-2 shot for a kill shottys, in a more stealthy, much faster "classic scout" sort of way. - And the winner goes to however said something about me standing around in the outskirts with long range weapons. LOL Have you fought against anyone other than garbage pub match players? Have you fought against a squad with proto scanners? Most importantly, have you fulfilled a role to help you team achieve victory and not just earn some 1v1 kills for yourself, such as hacking, capturing, and holding letters or using uplinks to move your squad strategically around the map?
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1519	Posted - 2014.03.21 15:03:00 - [82] - Quote Xaviah Reaper wrote: If scouts want to be able to play as a "proper" scout, being an untrackable, super fast, squishy assassin. The suits sprint speed should be near doubled, and prevent any extra health mods from being added to its base hp. That way they have like 200hp, but are incredibly hard to hit. problem solved? the only use I've found for speed tanking is throwing uplinks at the beginning of a match. Just stock they are fast enough for fighting. Who wants some?
Xaviah Reaper Nyain San 283	Posted - 2014.03.21 15:04:00 - [83] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Xaviah Reaper wrote: If scouts want to be able to play as a "proper" scout, being an untrackable, super fast, squishy assassin. The suits sprint speed should be near doubled, and prevent any extra health mods from being added to its base hp. That way they have like 200hp, but are incredibly hard to hit. problem solved? That would be ludicrously funny and I'd love that lol. yeah ^_^ obviously they would need nerfing in other areas though. most people scout so that they can speed hack, so if they get there twice as fast the hacking timer should be slowed down or maybe even removed :P Best game with a Python: 33kills 1 death (1.6) 24kills 1 death (1.7)
Varoth Drac The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 25	Posted - 2014.03.21 15:05:00 - [84] - Quote You don't seem to have acknowledged the points about alternative play styles. But anyway, I think the only thing to do is to get a proto Gal scout, armor up, get a rifle and see how I get on. I suspect the results will be underwhelming. At least you acknowledge that min scouts look UP.
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2881	Posted - 2014.03.21 15:06:00 - [85] - Quote Xaviah Reaper wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Xaviah Reaper wrote: If scouts want to be able to play as a "proper" scout, being an untrackable, super fast, squishy assassin. The suits sprint speed should be near doubled, and prevent any extra health mods from being added to its base hp. That way they have like 200hp, but are incredibly hard to hit. problem solved? That would be ludicrously funny and I'd love that lol. yeah ^_^ obviously they would need nerfing in other areas though. most people scout so that they can speed hack, so if they get there twice as fast the hacking timer should be slowed down or maybe even removed :P I got this image in my head of a scout sprinting like that but inside his helmet he's screaming and his legs are all snapped and broken but the the suit carries him on hahahahqha Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I'll behave
knight of 6 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1616	Posted - 2014.03.21 15:07:00 - [86] - Quote KingBabar wrote: knight of 6 wrote: well you didn't understand the problem. we complained that everything our suits could do another suit could do better which is a completely legitimate argument. 1.8 ends that though with cloaking scouts can now do something better than any other suit can. Curious. I was under the impression that scouts QQ mostly was about them being way too easy to kill, and by extension wasn't a relevant class. Anyways, I do see the "all other classes can do it better" arguent, and I reject it. So many here take it for solid fact that the logi suits are better at assaulting than the assault suits are, but I'm very convinced of the fact that both my Ammar assault and my Caldari assault is far more deadly than my sluggish caldari logi is. In the same way I do believe that when trying to run and flank in a stealthy setup trying to literrally backstab, or do it with a shotgun, the scout suit is the best suit for it. No other suit can match the move/stamina/stealth combo which is vital for that sort of play. In a way, the two best closeup weapons, nova knife and shotty is kind of reserved for the class, by tradition at least. scout logi do i get a prize? GÇ£Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I am dampened.GÇ¥ Ko6 scout,
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 35	Posted - 2014.03.21 15:40:00 - [87] - Quote I find the artificial opposition that is created by identifying with a specific role is a bit counterproductive to the discussion, but I can identify with the frustration about one suit being UP. If the game forces you to specialize, it better balances things out nicely. I for my part, use the scout to run to the objective, drop an uplink, hack maybe, make 1-2 kills and die (basic scout suit for minimal ISK loss). Then I go in with something else, dependant on the situation. I dont think it is very UP, but I think the scout is the hardest class to find a viable playstyle for. With viable I mean, you can run the suit in different fittings all the match and still contribute, whereas the assault is pretty straightforward. If there would be some sort of tutorial for "how to scout efficiently" with special regards to different fittings, there may be less misinterpretations what the suit is for and trough that less frustrations with it being not appropriate for the desires of specific players. Although one of the merits of dust is the freedom to try out something else entirely. Even if UP or, in the end, useless. So making a suit that can only function for one playstyle and one playstyle only, is a bit strange, making this freedom useless too. There seems to be a fine line here, between intended class / role / fitting and freedom of choice. If there is only one really effective playstyle (slaying, as Babar implies), this choice would be a farce. I dont think CCP had this in mind when creating this game, with its various tools and assets, and giving players all these choices. So the definitive answer, imo, should be: Balance it and balance it damn well!
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2882	Posted - 2014.03.21 15:48:00 - [88] - Quote Hansei Kaizen wrote: I find the artificial opposition that is created by identifying with a specific role is a bit counterproductive to the discussion, but I can identify with the frustration about one suit being UP. If the game forces you to specialize, it better balances things out nicely. I for my part, use the scout to run to the objective, drop an uplink, hack maybe, make 1-2 kills and die (basic scout suit for minimal ISK loss). Then I go in with something else, dependant on the situation. I dont think it is very UP, but I think the scout is the hardest class to find a viable playstyle for. With viable I mean, you can run the suit in different fittings all the match and still contribute, whereas the assault is pretty straightforward. If there would be some sort of tutorial for "how to scout efficiently" with special regards to different fittings, there may be less misinterpretations what the suit is for and trough that less frustrations with it being not appropriate for the desires of specific players. Although one of the merits of dust is the freedom to try out something else entirely. Even if UP or, in the end, useless. So making a suit that can only function for one playstyle and one playstyle only, is a bit strange, making this freedom useless too. There seems to be a fine line here, between intended class / role / fitting and freedom of choice. If there is only one really effective playstyle (slaying, as Babar implies), this choice would be a farce. I dont think CCP had this in mind when creating this game, with its various tools and assets, and giving players all these choices. So the definitive answer, imo, should be: Balance it and balance it damn well! Tiericide, done. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I'll behave
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 35	Posted - 2014.03.21 15:51:00 - [89] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Tiericide, done. Ur High :D
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1436	Posted - 2014.03.21 15:56:00 - [90] - Quote STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: The problem is with 360 permascans and having less HP in any competitive battle such as PC you could damp a medium frame with far more HP and be more effective in most cases. Granted some people are better at running scouts or other various suits but you can't take the top tier players in their niche and balance solely off of their performance. Scouts needed more things to separate them from other suits, the 2nd equipment slot and the lower base profile we get in 1.8 help in this regard, not to mention the bonus to cloaking. That's not really a problem. PC calls for specialists. A scout specialist should be able to avoid most scans, and if they're Gallente they inherently can avoid all scans with the proper fitting. Throw low PG/CPU weapons on and you have a pretty decent stealth slayer. If you decide to take the supportive route, you're not going to want to be dealing with enemies constantly and thus the effectiveness can't be compared to an assault/heavy/commando. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus

Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1436	Posted - 2014.03.21 15:57:00 - [91] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Xaviah Reaper wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Xaviah Reaper wrote: If scouts want to be able to play as a "proper" scout, being an untrackable, super fast, squishy assassin. The suits sprint speed should be near doubled, and prevent any extra health mods from being added to its base hp. That way they have like 200hp, but are incredibly hard to hit. problem solved? That would be ludicrously funny and I'd love that lol. yeah ^_^ obviously they would need nerfing in other areas though. most people scout so that they can speed hack, so if they get there twice as fast the hacking timer should be slowed down or maybe even removed :P I got this image in my head of a scout sprinting like that but inside his helmet he's screaming and his legs are all snapped and broken but the the suit carries him on hahahahqha I'm still hoping on an active module that allows for scouts to double their sprinting speed. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2883	Posted - 2014.03.21 15:58:00 - [92] - Quote Hansei Kaizen wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Tiericide, done. Ur High :D I'm am imdeeeeehehehehed. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I'll behave
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2883	Posted - 2014.03.21 16:00:00 - [93] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Xaviah Reaper wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Xaviah Reaper wrote: If scouts want to be able to play as a "proper" scout, being an untrackable, super fast, squishy assassin. The suits sprint speed should be near doubled, and prevent any extra health mods from being added to its base hp. That way they have like 200hp, but are incredibly hard to hit. problem solved? That would be ludicrously funny and I'd love that lol. yeah ^_^ obviously they would need nerfing in other areas though. most people scout so that they can speed hack, so if they get there twice as fast the hacking timer should be slowed down or maybe even removed :P I got this image in my head of a scout sprinting like that but inside his helmet he's screaming and his legs are all snapped and broken but the the suit carries him on hahahahqha I'm still hoping on an active module that allows for scouts to double their sprinting speed. I'd love active mods. Many think they are op but forget that you'd give up passive gains. As you can imagine, you could have either the passive cardiac reg or the active one etc. This could apply to many mods as well, I'd love it. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I'll behave
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2006	Posted - 2014.03.21 16:01:00 - [94] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: KingBabar wrote: knight of 6 wrote: well you didn't understand the problem. we complained that everything our suits could do another suit could do better which is a completely legitimate argument. 1.8 ends that though with cloaking scouts can now do something better than any other suit can. Curious. I was under the impression that scouts QQ mostly was about them being way too easy to kill, and by extension wasn't a relevant class. Anyways, I do see the "all other classes can do it better" arguent, and I reject it. So many here take it for solid fact that the logi suits are better at assaulting than the assault suits are, but I'm very convinced of the fact that both my Ammar assault and my Caldari assault is far more deadly than my sluggish caldari logi is. In the same way I do believe that when trying to run and flank in a stealthy setup trying to literrally backstab, or do it with a shotgun, the scout suit is the best suit for it. No other suit can match the move/stamina/stealth combo which is vital for that sort of play. In a way, the two best closeup weapons, nova knife and shotty is kind of reserved for the class, by tradition at least. scout logi do i get a prize? Link doesn't work, in any case, I have used the caldari logi with speed and or stealth but its still not as good combined (stealth+speed+stamina) as a scout suit is and it lacks a sidearm... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2006	Posted - 2014.03.21 16:06:00 - [95] - Quote InsidiousN wrote: KingBabar wrote: I'm off for a short nap and come back to all of this. - To the dude with the vid challenge: I'll do a solo play with med suit and a pair of basic pistols, I don't have any nova skills and I don't think using a bran new and very different weapon is a good test of a suits capabilities anyway. - I started at launch with a proto caldari logi and a maxed out AR and halfways maxed out core skills. For me to use it and make any sort of viable oppinion about it I have to use a proto suit. I can't simply run a dragonfly and compare it to my 900 HP PC Callogi fit....lets be real here. - All you babies claiming I should use the suit this or that way, you're all morons. I tested various setups, I used one very much which had a proto scanner, a dampener and about 300 armor. Great fun with the added challenge of running out of ammo and relying on my basic scrambler, I got 6 kills one time before running out of that ammo too, mellee didn't go so well...... - I've had tons of fun on a lighter (2 basic plates) version wich can fit a freedom mass driver and proto flux nades while being dampened. Yes very situational but I had some very amusing moments sneaking up on groups of triage-hive camping slowsies. - I used the "assault setup" just to illustrate that you can get 630 HP and a Godly Allotek hive on it, even with a proto weapon. It was a way for me to test the suit in the role its NOT supposed to be good at, straight up attack, assaulting is a word that comes to mind. I'm no great snaky ninja with Master RE tossing skills, I'm merely a grunt who drags along some equipment while I try and smite all the reds on my way to the objective. I can only imagine how good a scout suit works with those deadly knives or 1-2 shot for a kill shottys, in a more stealthy, much faster "classic scout" sort of way. - And the winner goes to however said something about me standing around in the outskirts with long range weapons. LOL Have you fought against anyone other than garbage pub match players? Have you fought against a squad with proto scanners? Most importantly, have you fulfilled a role to help you team achieve victory and not just earn some 1v1 kills for yourself, such as hacking, capturing, and holding letters or using uplinks to move your squad strategically around the map? No uplinks but othervise I've played like I usually do. I've fased a couple of scaners but most of them shrug off. I haven't tried it for PC, but I don't think I'd use a setup like any of the ones I have in PC. I'd go full stealth and shotty, with uplinks. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Protected Void Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 253	Posted - 2014.03.21 16:07:00 - [96] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Protected Void wrote: Babar: To sum it up, unless you have tried at least three at a time of the following - for at least 100 matches - your argument is simply not valid: Run in an advanced level scout suit Run solo or in a squad with a maximum of two other players, of which only one runs mostly proto gear Run a scout suit prior to Uprising 1.7 (it was harder before) Face a squad of proto players using proto scanners (any proto scanner, not just the focused) Run a scout suit without having your core skills maxed out I have all my relevant fitting skills maxed out, here's what I can fit on my advanced level Gallente scout: Advanced level Scrambler rifle Toxin SMG blueprint Advanced level locus grenade Complex KinCat Complex range extender Complex Shield extender The cheapest uplink (stable?) That's right, not enough CPU/PG to even put anything in my second high slot. Or, I can replace the uplink with the cheapest nanohive and bathe in the luxury of a basic shield extender extra. Hoorah! And no, running proto is not economically viable in most matches. I have proto fittings that I tend to do better in than in my advanced fittings, but that's kind of null and void when two deaths equal a net loss of 150000 ISK or so - even if I top the leaderboard and my team wins the match. Thats probably the most ludacris setup I've ever seen. Seriously, if we had a sarcastic "This is the setup I actually use" competition, you'd probably win. WOW just WOW. You're not exactly helping the "scouts are UP" crowd here. On a related note. I do think the minmatar scout looks very weak on paper for doing anything but being a ninja nova knifer and soon also ninja hacker. Its a specialist suit that reminds me of the Amarr assault. I also don't think its fair to judge the assault class after the Minmatar assault suit.... Right...so instead of actually trying to disprove my point, you resort to baseless insults (what makes my setup ludicrous? How doesn't it help the "scouts are UP" crowd?) and change the subject. Very much like my friend's little brother. Whenever he can't think of any way to counter other people's arguments, he just goes "Well, ur dumb" and creates a distraction. So, are you going to provide proper arguments, or are you just going to insist that you're right based solely on the fact that you've made up your mind?
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3592	Posted - 2014.03.21 16:23:00 - [97] - Quote Try playing as an actual scout Barbar, then get back to us. No.
pseudosnipre 593	Posted - 2014.03.21 16:31:00 - [98] - Quote All 4 suits can slay, what's your point? Just lol if you choose to do it in a scout suit over a logi. Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
Cyrius Li-Moody 4067	Posted - 2014.03.21 16:37:00 - [99] - Quote :yawn: Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. 4708	Posted - 2014.03.21 16:40:00 - [100] - Quote Gall scouts can be pretty good slayers. That's the same way I run my scouts babar. I do really well as well, even in PC. However I think most of he complaints with the scout suit stem from trying to use ewar and biotic module set up instead of hp set up like u and I use. I have indeed tried a pure ewar set up with only 1 rep and no tank other than a shield extender and it was pretty damn hard. I won't say "you're not a real scout" because if that's true, I'm not a real scout either. GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 5 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY

icdedppul PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 122	Posted - 2014.03.21 16:43:00 - [101] - Quote Fittings.. cpu/pg and low # of slots so compensating for such really hurt the suit I was amazed people were complaining they had to get engineering or lectronics to lvl 4 to fit something...... and here I was dropsuit upgrades 5 electronics 5 engineering 5 light weapons 5 sidarms 5 explosives 5, and still couldnt fit things hell I knew I was getting into CRs the minute they told us stats on it merely due to fitting costs you said it your self you put a bunch of basic modules on your proto suit to make it work, now tell me how you would feel if those basic modules were 33% effective as their complex brethren instead of the 62% that your armour plates are.. UP
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1521	Posted - 2014.03.21 18:03:00 - [102] - Quote Hansei Kaizen wrote: I find the artificial opposition that is created by identifying with a specific role is a bit counterproductive to the discussion, but I can identify with the frustration about one suit being UP. If the game forces you to specialize, it better balances things out nicely. I for my part, use the scout to run to the objective, drop an uplink, hack maybe, make 1-2 kills and die (basic scout suit for minimal ISK loss). Then I go in with something else, dependant on the situation. I dont think it is very UP, but I think the scout is the hardest class to find a viable playstyle for. With viable I mean, you can run the suit in different fittings all the match and still contribute, whereas the assault is pretty straightforward. If there would be some sort of tutorial for "how to scout efficiently" with special regards to different fittings, there may be less misinterpretations what the suit is for and trough that less frustrations with it being not appropriate for the desires of specific players. Although one of the merits of dust is the freedom to try out something else entirely. Even if UP or, in the end, useless. So making a suit that can only function for one playstyle and one playstyle only, is a bit strange, making this freedom useless too. There seems to be a fine line here, between intended class / role / fitting and freedom of choice. If there is only one really effective playstyle (slaying, as Babar implies), this choice would be a farce. I dont think CCP had this in mind when creating this game, with its various tools and assets, and giving players all these choices. So the definitive answer, imo, should be: Balance it and balance it damn well! (I mean, as hard as that sounds: Not balance one thing against one other thing, but Balance everything against everything ...) I got bored half way thru your post. You should be focusing on what you learn in combat, not some tutorial. If you die when you attack 5guys, don't attack 5 guys. If you are getting seen use better angles of attack. Dampening onle gets you so far, line of sight is a ************. Who wants some?
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 247	Posted - 2014.03.21 18:31:00 - [103] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Gall scouts can be pretty good slayers. That's the same way I run my scouts babar. I do really well as well, even in PC. However I think most of he complaints with the scout suit stem from trying to use ewar and biotic module set up instead of hp set up like u and I use. I have indeed tried a pure ewar set up with only 1 rep and no tank other than a shield extender and it was pretty damn hard. I won't say "you're not a real scout" because if that's true, I'm not a real scout either. Exactly, I specced into scout because I like to be fast & specialize in CQC. But after a year of avoiding the Dmg mod, armor tank, Rifle fit. I caved when the Minitar rifle was released. This fit out performs all of my Ewar, speed tanked, & support fits. To the point that other than dropping uplinks, I can't justify using anything else. Other than for the lulz. When a SG scout can't even take out CR scout in CQC when the SG scout had the element of surprise? Something ain't right, Imagine a heavy or omni tanked logi. @Kingbabar, The scout suit can perform in the current state of the game. But not in the way that most people who specced into scouts enjoy.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 4865	Posted - 2014.03.21 19:05:00 - [104] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Hansei Kaizen wrote: I find the artificial opposition that is created by identifying with a specific role is a bit counterproductive to the discussion, but I can identify with the frustration about one suit being UP. If the game forces you to specialize, it better balances things out nicely. I for my part, use the scout to run to the objective, drop an uplink, hack maybe, make 1-2 kills and die (basic scout suit for minimal ISK loss). Then I go in with something else, dependant on the situation. I dont think it is very UP, but I think the scout is the hardest class to find a viable playstyle for. With viable I mean, you can run the suit in different fittings all the match and still contribute, whereas the assault is pretty straightforward. If there would be some sort of tutorial for "how to scout efficiently" with special regards to different fittings, there may be less misinterpretations what the suit is for and trough that less frustrations with it being not appropriate for the desires of specific players. Although one of the merits of dust is the freedom to try out something else entirely. Even if UP or, in the end, useless. So making a suit that can only function for one playstyle and one playstyle only, is a bit strange, making this freedom useless too. There seems to be a fine line here, between intended class / role / fitting and freedom of choice. If there is only one really effective playstyle (slaying, as Babar implies), this choice would be a farce. I dont think CCP had this in mind when creating this game, with its various tools and assets, and giving players all these choices. So the definitive answer, imo, should be: Balance it and balance it damn well! Tiericide, done. Now THAT is something we can agree on. I still hold out hope that it will someday come. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 236	Posted - 2014.03.21 19:24:00 - [105] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: Run PC and wait til someone you killed decides to be a ** and run permascans with the focused then all your advantages disappear lol. Thats really what I've found to be the worst thing for me in any match, especially PC. I never thought the scout suit was bad, just needed a few adjustments like its getting in 1.8 so I'm thrilled with that. Then get one up on their butthurt arse, brick tank the scout with re's and an ar, start playing like an assault so they end up putting it away, then switch back to ewar fit and carry on. I meant it as if yur sneaking up on an objective and theres 3 to 4 enemies there, if you get scanned theres only really two outcomes, run away or try to take at least 1 or more down with you. As a scout you need the element of surprise for situations like this but once scanned you advantage is completely gone. And LOL that they would ever stop trying to know exactly where you are, people break that ** out in pubs sometimes just so they know where every single enemy is.
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 272	Posted - 2014.03.21 19:29:00 - [106] - Quote Why are you all feeding this scrubcorp troll? The only thing Rainbow about them are their sexual orientations. GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3598	Posted - 2014.03.21 19:47:00 - [107] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Gall scouts can be pretty good slayers. That's the same way I run my scouts babar. I do really well as well, even in PC. However I think most of he complaints with the scout suit stem from trying to use ewar and biotic module set up instead of hp set up like u and I use. I have indeed tried a pure ewar set up with only 1 rep and no tank other than a shield extender and it was pretty damn hard. I won't say "you're not a real scout" because if that's true, I'm not a real scout either. You're not a real scout. No.
Tectonic Fusion 1267	Posted - 2014.03.21 19:54:00 - [108] - Quote Django Quik wrote: If you really want to know what the problems are with scout suits, try running an advanced one. Or the basic? The advanced is very good if you know how to fit it. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1526	Posted - 2014.03.21 19:59:00 - [109] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Gall scouts can be pretty good slayers. That's the same way I run my scouts babar. I do really well as well, even in PC. However I think most of he complaints with the scout suit stem from trying to use ewar and biotic module set up instead of hp set up like u and I use. I have indeed tried a pure ewar set up with only 1 rep and no tank other than a shield extender and it was pretty damn hard. I won't say "you're not a real scout" because if that's true, I'm not a real scout either. You're not a real scout. who is? Scouts gather Intel and deliver messages. Neither of which is very needed in Dust. Anyone can carry a scanner. Who wants some?
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2892	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:00:00 - [110] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Hansei Kaizen wrote: I find the artificial opposition that is created by identifying with a specific role is a bit counterproductive to the discussion, but I can identify with the frustration about one suit being UP. If the game forces you to specialize, it better balances things out nicely. I for my part, use the scout to run to the objective, drop an uplink, hack maybe, make 1-2 kills and die (basic scout suit for minimal ISK loss). Then I go in with something else, dependant on the situation. I dont think it is very UP, but I think the scout is the hardest class to find a viable playstyle for. With viable I mean, you can run the suit in different fittings all the match and still contribute, whereas the assault is pretty straightforward. If there would be some sort of tutorial for "how to scout efficiently" with special regards to different fittings, there may be less misinterpretations what the suit is for and trough that less frustrations with it being not appropriate for the desires of specific players. Although one of the merits of dust is the freedom to try out something else entirely. Even if UP or, in the end, useless. So making a suit that can only function for one playstyle and one playstyle only, is a bit strange, making this freedom useless too. There seems to be a fine line here, between intended class / role / fitting and freedom of choice. If there is only one really effective playstyle (slaying, as Babar implies), this choice would be a farce. I dont think CCP had this in mind when creating this game, with its various tools and assets, and giving players all these choices. So the definitive answer, imo, should be: Balance it and balance it damn well! Tiericide, done. Now THAT is something we can agree on. I still hold out hope that it will someday come. Indeed and forums are forums eh? Lol. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I'll behave

Scheherazade VII 354	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:01:00 - [111] - Quote KingBabar wrote: I have various fits off course but lets focus on a more "assault fitted suit". So I get 160 shields 470 armor with a 6.25 passive rep, and an Allotek hive to get that armor back when I'm in a tight spot. Its fast, semi stealthy and wields proto weapons. What exactly is or soon to be "was" the big deal about scout suits being UP? I don't get it..... Yesterday I went 22-5 in a suit with 200hp, what you did was take a suit called a scout suit, fit it like an assault suit, shrug your shoulders and say what's the big deal? if your experience is based on the above assault fitted suit alone then you obviously haven't experienced the problem to be able to see it. use a militia minmatar light frame it has 125 shields and 87 armour, you are completely right about getting hit less, i can recover shields and not break into armour when i'm having a good game, use that suit with no health modules, just 2x low modules of your choice. when youre using that fit and your team is being held back from an objective across open ground and being perma-scanned unable to get to any objective without getting killed by a RR at 60m, then maybe you will see the problem. there are some games where I cannot use the shotgun or a guy with low HP, that's how guys with RRs farm high kills on the bridge, the enemies can't get there without dying because they're too far away and they're being scanned by an entire team which is static and in cover! rant over. good scouts will always be good scouts but cheap armour stacked damage modded rail rifle suits make some games completely pointless.
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2892	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:05:00 - [112] - Quote STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: Run PC and wait til someone you killed decides to be a ** and run permascans with the focused then all your advantages disappear lol. Thats really what I've found to be the worst thing for me in any match, especially PC. I never thought the scout suit was bad, just needed a few adjustments like its getting in 1.8 so I'm thrilled with that. Then get one up on their butthurt arse, brick tank the scout with re's and an ar, start playing like an assault so they end up putting it away, then switch back to ewar fit and carry on. I meant it as if yur sneaking up on an objective and theres 3 to 4 enemies there, if you get scanned theres only really two outcomes, run away or try to take at least 1 or more down with you. As a scout you need the element of surprise for situations like this but once scanned you advantage is completely gone. And LOL that they would ever stop trying to know exactly where you are, people break that ** out in pubs sometimes just so they know where every single eney is. Yeah it sucks. That's when you whip out your brick tanked ar scout. Its priceless when the people scanning you call you a nub for doing so. I'm sorry I didn't let you farm kme and I'm sorry I didn't pretend to not notice the........ YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED Like they need to know a septillionth of a second later where you are lol. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I'll behave
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 255	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:11:00 - [113] - Quote Takron Nistrom wrote: Why are you all feeding this scrubcorp troll? The only thing Rainbow about them are their sexual orientations. I'm confused, what does their sexual orientation have to do with anything in this thread? PvE 2014
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3599	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:15:00 - [114] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Gall scouts can be pretty good slayers. That's the same way I run my scouts babar. I do really well as well, even in PC. However I think most of he complaints with the scout suit stem from trying to use ewar and biotic module set up instead of hp set up like u and I use. I have indeed tried a pure ewar set up with only 1 rep and no tank other than a shield extender and it was pretty damn hard. I won't say "you're not a real scout" because if that's true, I'm not a real scout either. You're not a real scout. who is? Scouts gather Intel and deliver messages. Neither of which is very needed in Dust. Anyone can carry a scanner. The folk running NKs and REs are scouts. The ones dropping uplinks in good spots rather than rooftops, or the ones who have to pick & choose their fights. No.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2009	Posted - 2014.03.21 21:17:00 - [115] - Quote Protected Void wrote: KingBabar wrote: Protected Void wrote: Babar: To sum it up, unless you have tried at least three at a time of the following - for at least 100 matches - your argument is simply not valid: Run in an advanced level scout suit Run solo or in a squad with a maximum of two other players, of which only one runs mostly proto gear Run a scout suit prior to Uprising 1.7 (it was harder before) Face a squad of proto players using proto scanners (any proto scanner, not just the focused) Run a scout suit without having your core skills maxed out I have all my relevant fitting skills maxed out, here's what I can fit on my advanced level Gallente scout: Advanced level Scrambler rifle Toxin SMG blueprint Advanced level locus grenade Complex KinCat Complex range extender Complex Shield extender The cheapest uplink (stable?) That's right, not enough CPU/PG to even put anything in my second high slot. Or, I can replace the uplink with the cheapest nanohive and bathe in the luxury of a basic shield extender extra. Hoorah! And no, running proto is not economically viable in most matches. I have proto fittings that I tend to do better in than in my advanced fittings, but that's kind of null and void when two deaths equal a net loss of 150000 ISK or so - even if I top the leaderboard and my team wins the match. Thats probably the most ludacris setup I've ever seen. Seriously, if we had a sarcastic "This is the setup I actually use" competition, you'd probably win. WOW just WOW. You're not exactly helping the "scouts are UP" crowd here. On a related note. I do think the minmatar scout looks very weak on paper for doing anything but being a ninja nova knifer and soon also ninja hacker. Its a specialist suit that reminds me of the Amarr assault. I also don't think its fair to judge the assault class after the Minmatar assault suit.... Right...so instead of actually trying to disprove my point, you resort to baseless insults (what makes my setup ludicrous? How doesn't it help the "scouts are UP" crowd?) and change the subject. Very much like my friend's little brother. Whenever he can't think of any way to counter other people's arguments, he just goes "Well, ur dumb" and creates a distraction. So, are you going to provide proper arguments, or are you just going to insist that you're right based solely on the fact that you've made up your mind? You seriously want me to take you seriously after coming up with a fitting like that? I don't need to explain anything to you, if you fit your suits like that then we're on different planets in terms of whats a good competitive setup. Yes I could go on about how the fitting cost of both the weapon and Kin Cat is a waste on such a low end suit, I could go on about how the range extender gives you next to nothing, is it what? 5 or 10 , extra meters passive scan? How the mix off speed tanking doesn't fit with the use of the gun with the second longest range. Why use a range amp over a dampener? Its insane. With that gun I'd go for tanking or stealth, definately not passive scan and speed.... I could go on. In this case I'm not your little brother at a loss for words trying to derail the debate. You're the ittle kid who doesn't have a basic understanding of the game leading to the rest of us mostly "debating over your head". I mean, you don't even get the obvious part so any wonder I don't trust you to be the epiffany of wisdom in this area.... Note to self: Stop trying to argue with the plebs, they have a totally different point of refference. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Phazoid The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 275	Posted - 2014.03.21 21:31:00 - [116] - Quote dont use that amount of hp, first its slows you down, second low slots are waaaaay better using dampeners or biotics, use a basic armor plate and a repairer, or use reactive plates, dont ever, EVER use it as an assault, use the advantages, SNEAK, think metal gear, i run with 120 shield and 228 armor on my gallente, dont run right on the enemy lines, use your radar, see which way they are seeing, there is a reason scouts can kill even full-tanked heavies, use Remotes explosives, its more of a mental stance, move like a scout, unseen, if you fit it like a brick, you might as well use assaults, they will be better at tanking. We speak the Dragon's language of flame and rage. Together we shall weave a tale of destruction without equal...
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 1015	Posted - 2014.03.21 21:35:00 - [117] - Quote Whatever, i hate fake scouts, they're waiting for the new FOTM, a real scout never tanks armor only because of the speed loss. No offence but i can't say you're "scout" is a real scout. That doesn't mean you don't have to tank massive armor, it just means you can't live without it. *Assassination is my thing.*
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 975	Posted - 2014.03.21 21:43:00 - [118] - Quote Babar, the thing is, you seem to have one playstyle, birck tank and start shooting. Now, there's nothing wrong with this, but here's the problem: This shouldn't be the only viable playstyle, speed needs to be viable, dampening needs to be viable, a scanning fit (no not active, passive) should be viable, a melee/ninja fit has to be viable, and in 1.8 they might very well be. This game needs variety, not the same old slap as much health on a suit and point your gun at the enemy. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 723	Posted - 2014.03.21 21:47:00 - [119] - Quote King Babar leads me to believe he is a troll, or at the very least doesn't understand what a scout is after calling protected void's fit ludicrous. That is a totally legit scout fit, and not unlike a lot of fits scouts wear. Filthy tourists... Looking for the scout hangout?
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1529	Posted - 2014.03.21 21:50:00 - [120] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Gall scouts can be pretty good slayers. That's the same way I run my scouts babar. I do really well as well, even in PC. However I think most of he complaints with the scout suit stem from trying to use ewar and biotic module set up instead of hp set up like u and I use. I have indeed tried a pure ewar set up with only 1 rep and no tank other than a shield extender and it was pretty damn hard. I won't say "you're not a real scout" because if that's true, I'm not a real scout either. You're not a real scout. who is? Scouts gather Intel and deliver messages. Neither of which is very needed in Dust. Anyone can carry a scanner. The folk running NKs and REs are scouts. The ones dropping uplinks in good spots rather than rooftops, or the ones who have to pick & choose their fights. you missed my point. I think its funny how NKs are even considered a weapon. The ratio of knife kills to knives that get killed is tiny. They are a party favor and good for a laugh at best. Ouch you got me with those knives after 19tries. That makes a good scout? No wonder good scouts cry all day. Who wants some?

KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2010	Posted - 2014.03.21 22:14:00 - [121] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: King Babar leads me to believe he is a troll, or at the very least doesn't understand what a scout is after calling protected void's fit ludicrous. That is a totally legit scout fit, and not unlike a lot of fits scouts wear. Filthy tourists... I've got about 30-50 K kills in a scout suit during Beta, so dunno about that tourist remark. And if this is what lots of scouts wear then I'm startng to see a pattern here. No dampening on a scout suit like that? While the entire playerbase does 360s with their scanners? FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1822	Posted - 2014.03.21 22:19:00 - [122] - Quote Mostly speed and the fact that you can only dodge Duvolle Focused with Gallente and 4 complex damps. Or the fact that an uplink has more health than us. I'm not saying give us more health, I'm saying take away health from the equipments.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2010	Posted - 2014.03.21 22:20:00 - [123] - Quote Spademan wrote: Babar, the thing is, you seem to have one playstyle, birck tank and start shooting. Now, there's nothing wrong with this, but here's the problem: This shouldn't be the only viable playstyle, speed needs to be viable, dampening needs to be viable, a scanning fit (no not active, passive) should be viable, a melee/ninja fit has to be viable, and in 1.8 they might very well be. This game needs variety, not the same old slap as much health on a suit and point your gun at the enemy. Yeah you obviously know me.... FYI I normally run low HP fits in favor of dampening. My pub cal logi fit only has 780 HP, which isn't much considered its a proto cal logi suit, and that I don't have any dmg mods on it. For the last month or so I've run a a purely shield tanked (the madness!!!) caldari assault, with a CPU extender and 2 proto dampeners... I used the brick tanked way of playing to test the suit on the area its not supposed tp be good at. I don't always brick tank and I don't only have one playstyle FFS. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 975	Posted - 2014.03.21 22:29:00 - [124] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Yeah you obviously know me.... FYI I normally run low HP fits in favor of dampening. My pub cal logi fit only has 780 HP, which isn't much considered its a proto cal logi suit, and that I don't have any dmg mods on it. For the last month or so I've run a a purely shield tanked (the madness!!!) caldari assault, with a CPU extender and 2 proto dampeners... I used the brick tanked way of playing to test the suit on the area its not supposed tp be good at. I don't always brick tank and I don't only have one playstyle FFS. No, I don't, which is why is used the word seem. My apologies, I based this on the rare occasions that I've seen you on the battlefield, which was only about 3 times and I noticed a high hp suit. By the way, 780 is still a lot of health, even if it's mostly shield. Now granted, you can do decently by brick tanking a scout, but if the scout suit is one of multiple suits you're skilled into, why bother? Why not use a heavier suit for more health? If the scout suit is your only suit (like many of us) then brick tanking makes sense on one fitting for situations where more tank is needed but you're not skilled into a heavier suit. Might I suggest you run a purely EWAR/Speed based fitting and see how it goes? I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Llast 326 An Arkhos 2519	Posted - 2014.03.21 22:44:00 - [125] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Like many others I decided to put the events 3 M SP into another suit to get a new experience knowing that the SPs will be refunded shortly. So I got the Galente scout and I've been running it for 2 days. I have various fits off course but lets focus on a more "assault fitted suit". So I get 160 shields 470 armor with a 6.25 passive rep, and an Allotek hive to get that armor back when I'm in a tight spot. Its fast, semi stealthy and wields proto weapons. Yes its obviously not a dual tanked logi fit with 1000 HP but it works very well, I've had many solid games with it, several with 30+ kills and 1-3 deaths. I also suppose the dampened speed tanked shotty fit I have is a great one with a little skillpoints invested in the shotty and a little time invested in playing that particular role. Even though the shields are only 160, they still come back extremely fast. I often take 500 points of damage, go to cover, toss down an allotek hive and I'm ready to go. I've also noticed that people hit me way less in this suit. I've gone up against several tanky protosuits front to front and won cause they simply can't track my strafeing. So I ask you, (mostly too) proud scouts of this community, Whats with all the QQ? I've seen thread after thread from scouts claiming their suits, indeed their entire role is UP. I've held my tongue cause I haven't had a scout suit properly specced yet. But after running it for 2 days I just can't see what the big deal is about. Take away the 2 damage mods and the HP and rep speed is almost identical to my Amarr assault. Yes 2 damage mods or 2 shield extenders is more but the Amarr assault would be a much worse suit if I tried to match the scout suits speed and stealth.... What exactly is or soon to be "was" the big deal about scout suits being UP? I don't get it..... Many ways to run a scout, and I run more than a few. I am a dedicated scout I am not going to say what you are doing is wrong, unscoutly or anything like that because people play different ways, but I am going to list a bunch of things that contribute or contributed to scouts being UP Few if any dedicated scouts have complained about HP it's an accepted fact that light frames are the lowest HP frames The single largest problem that scouts faced (IMO) was the Omniscient Installation problem. Whenever you were near an enemy controlled Objective, CRU, SD, or Turret you were instantly displayed on the Tacnet. Stealth was literally not a possibility near any installations. This was fixed in 1.7 Another problem is fitting capacity, fitting out scout suits requires a large investment of SP to be viable. Now if you are jumping into the role after already garnering a large amount of SP and having it invested in good areas you will not have the full "joy" of trying to fit out the scout suit. The Gal scout is currently better of than the Min in this capacity. This issue will be fixed in 1.8 Slot count and layout, for whatever reason the Gal scout lost a H slot at proto and the scout total proto slot count is only 5 (only 4 when you factor in the virtually mandatory Profile Damp to avoid 360-¦ scanners) - Fixed in 1.8 "Stun Locking" the slow motion effect when sustaining fire inhibits the speed advantage of scouts. Also somewhat related is the AA debate and the strength of tracking (this point has been a huge topic for many people regardless of suit choice with beliefs on all sides of the debate, i don't see a point in reopening that discussion here) Glitches - not unique to scouts but certainly results in death sooner (and thus very noticeable to scouts) the sprint glitch will not likely mean death to a heavy, but it will for a scout. Hit Detection, yeah this is a problem for everybody particularly noticeable on non-automatic weapons. So right now the Scout suit is not in as bad of a place as it was in other builds, so no you should not be having as much of a problem that the dedicated scouts have gone through. Thanks to much of the feedback and discussion that dedicated scouts have given to CCP about problems that have been corrected. 1.8 looks to be shaping up to a far more equal footing for suit choice selection than the previous builds. Though some areas may need adjusting (they always do) but we will have to see how the dynamic works out. What i would not like to see is anything becoming the obvious go to choice for the "best suit 3var" KRRROOOOOOM
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 381	Posted - 2014.03.21 22:52:00 - [126] - Quote KingBabar wrote: STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: Run PC and wait til someone you killed decides to be a **** and run permascans with the focused then all your advantages disappear lol. Thats really what I've found to be the worst thing for me in any match, especially PC. Currently tha scanner takes 5 seconds to use, ample time to kill the user, and it will only show you on the map for 5 seconds, then the scanner has a 25 second cooldown. For this to be effective the other team needs 4-6 of these in action spread among 2-4 players. Wow... You don't know your scanners... Go do some research, then come back with some evidence. The biggest threat to my scout is everything. There is no them, only us. [Q] <-- Drink Moar Quafe
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 428	Posted - 2014.03.21 22:52:00 - [127] - Quote So you are stating this after 2 days if experience against ppl that have been runing this from the start of dust? War never changes
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. 4716	Posted - 2014.03.21 22:54:00 - [128] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Gall scouts can be pretty good slayers. That's the same way I run my scouts babar. I do really well as well, even in PC. However I think most of he complaints with the scout suit stem from trying to use ewar and biotic module set up instead of hp set up like u and I use. I have indeed tried a pure ewar set up with only 1 rep and no tank other than a shield extender and it was pretty damn hard. I won't say "you're not a real scout" because if that's true, I'm not a real scout either. You're not a real scout. Well them I'm sorry. You see, ewar fits simply don't compare to hp/dmg fits. This game revolves around killing. Like any other shooter. Because of that, ewar will always be second to hp or dmg. It's just the way this game was made man. GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 5 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 445	Posted - 2014.03.21 23:07:00 - [129] - Quote KingBabar wrote: I'm off for a short nap and come back to all of this. - To the dude with the vid challenge: I'll do a solo play with med suit and a pair of basic pistols, I don't have any nova skills and I don't think using a bran new and very different weapon is a good test of a suits capabilities anyway. - I started at launch with a proto caldari logi and a maxed out AR and halfways maxed out core skills. For me to use it and make any sort of viable oppinion about it I have to use a proto suit. I can't simply run a dragonfly and compare it to my 900 HP PC Callogi fit....lets be real here. - All you babies claiming I should use the suit this or that way, you're all morons. I tested various setups, I used one very much which had a proto scanner, a dampener and about 300 armor. Great fun with the added challenge of running out of ammo and relying on my basic scrambler, I got 6 kills one time before running out of that ammo too, mellee didn't go so well...... - I've had tons of fun on a lighter (2 basic plates) version wich can fit a freedom mass driver and proto flux nades while being dampened. Yes very situational but I had some very amusing moments sneaking up on groups of triage-hive camping slowsies. - I used the "assault setup" just to illustrate that you can get 630 HP and a Godly Allotek hive on it, even with a proto weapon. It was a way for me to test the suit in the role its NOT supposed to be good at, straight up attack, assaulting is a word that comes to mind. I'm no great snaky ninja with Master RE tossing skills, I'm merely a grunt who drags along some equipment while I try and smite all the reds on my way to the objective. I can only imagine how good a scout suit works with those deadly knives or 1-2 shot for a kill shottys, in a more stealthy, much faster "classic scout" sort of way. - And the winner goes to however said something about me standing around in the outskirts with long range weapons. LOL Look I know there's a lot of jerks on the forums and ya I can be one and mostly because I'm a scout, I'm always gonna be a scout and I even took all the sp I been saving and tried the cal logi an assault and honestly I do better in a adv scout with knives, shotty, or remotes cuz it's my play style and I have a fit similar to yours but the difference is I only use a brick tanked suit when I have to, I get a better feeling about my game if I get a top score in the weakest suit. You gotta remember your using a scout after you have a ton of sp, proto weapons, hives exetera, plus your in a good corp which means your a good player, plus you gotta remember until the combat rifle came out scouts frowned upon rifle scouts An viewed then as the biggest scrubs in the but after realizing the dps value we actually stood a chance against everyone else and with minja scouts never being able to beat proto scans we had to, but we always biotic tanked to flee. But now the games changing and we kno these FTOM fits are gonna get our suits NERFED back to what we fought a year to escape from. Hope that explains it Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 287	Posted - 2014.03.21 23:21:00 - [130] - Quote With all due respect, you had me at "A little late..."

Oswald Rehnquist 1302	Posted - 2014.03.21 23:49:00 - [131] - Quote I apologize if this was reiterated already (or even addressed / settled), I have not read every post here just the OP but it essentially breaks down into opportunity costs. I don't think the idea of scouts under performing was ever in question since CCP has been keeping track of the numbers closely and has stated several times that they have been progressing poorely, and most of the player base have been in consensus of that, which is a lot of conventional wisdom to go against. Conventional wisdom isn't proof and its not the scout couldn't do anything, just that utility given with your time spent in a scout suit in many diverse situations did not equal the utility with the time spent in other suits. Another bit is role bastardization, while Dust is modular, the idea of roles allows suits / weapons to serve a purpose because aspects of role based suit means that that suit or weapon is required for a situation, when a role can be mimic to a certain degree with the added benefit of other functionality beyond the mirrored role, then we arrive at op / up status. The old assault v logi debate was based on the fact that logis can get comparable numbers to assaults (slightly under assaults), but can cover a diverse array of equipment options on the fly, plus slightly more customization to decide your own strengths and weaknesses. This translated to 1) comparable combat numbers 2) much more utility, compared to the assaults one singular role of combat. Leaving assaults suffering from a degree of role bastardization. The issue with pre 1.8 uprising scouts is that their strengths could be mirrored yet at the same time scouts lacked the utility to serve other functions. Between your best slayers fits, your equipment kings, and vehicles slaying / objective running, there wasn't a lot of utility/aspects for scouts to really outshine the others in. If I had to name a strength the scout had over other suits it would be limited to major city/compound run and gunning, especially after the shortening of TTK (this made ehp less relevant). The scout stats really did complement those circumstances well, but at the same time are hard countered by the focus scanner when brought up in competitive matches when a scout does become a sore in the other teams side. This obviously is changing in 1.8 and I have premature concerns about other balance issues now but those will hopefully get better evaluated with trail and error. Below 28 dB
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1066	Posted - 2014.03.21 23:57:00 - [132] - Quote I'm not a very good player and when I skilled into the Gal scout a couple months back I started doing a lot more killing and less dying. Granted I haven't tried the tanked out version yet and a lot of that is RE kills. But a lot of that is sneaking up and folks too. Now in 1.8 we may need the extra tank because the sneaking up behind someone and killing them before they can react may not happen so much because of increased TTK. Soooo it might all balance out. My experience with scouts at this time is they are perfectly viable, but you have to play to their strengths and play them a bit smarter. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
ReGnYuM Dirt Nap Squad. 2536	Posted - 2014.03.22 00:14:00 - [133] - Quote Dropped 39-10 with a Scout in PC. Scout Conclusion: Mobility, Dampening, and passive scans is a great substitute to a low HP based suit. Therefore, this myth that scouting is hardmode is just simply an excuse for bad players and their bad performances. My SP GAP carries me.
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 250	Posted - 2014.03.22 00:21:00 - [134] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Dropped 39-10 with a Scout in PC. Scout Conclusion: Mobility, Dampening, and passive scans is a great substitute to a low HP based suit. Therefore, this myth that scouting is hardmode is just simply an excuse for bad players and their bad performances. & How about your best match in a Assault/Logi suit in PC?
Exergonic TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 333	Posted - 2014.03.22 00:27:00 - [135] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Picks up toughest scout and brick tanks it week before its huge buff yet never played anything other than proto scout and missed being a scout during: The tac AR LAZER rifles The fish bowl Sniper distance AR Chrome heavies The AR again The stamina nerf The huge hotbox speed lag Strafe changes Movement speed of turning being equal to heavy Minmatar scout Minmatar scout during armor buff The mass driver fiasco Faylock nightmare month The AR Heavies with AR the combat rifle Rail rifle Heavies with combat rifles an rail rifles Core nades from every direction Drop ships Tanks Thale snipers Nyan San Pc Assaults with 700 HP scouts everywhere untill real scouts get them NERFED just to shut you up and make you cry for your 3 mill sp AND IT WILL HAPPEN LOL! You think your badass bud? Put on a adv minmatar scout and fit all that proto on it, better yet here's your new fit mister badass Adv min scout Complex shield Basic shield Basic combat rifle Ish nova knives Compact hive Enh red Complex green Go 35/5 with at least 15 knife kills and film the whole match and all contents of the fit everytime you spawn and I ll give you 20 mill mister big shot! That fit, 15 knife kills, under 5 deaths and 20 cr kills, and if you wanna double that 40 mill and just a pistol an knives, welcome to scoutville, tourist! You got till patch to post the whole video wit no edits. But... why not use a good fit??
Yan Darn Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 378	Posted - 2014.03.22 00:39:00 - [136] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Dropped 39-10 with a Scout in PC. Scout Conclusion: Mobility, Dampening, and passive scans is a great substitute to a low HP based suit. Therefore, this myth that scouting is hardmode is just simply an excuse for bad players and their bad performances. So scouts have an equal presence in PC as much as any other frame? The Ghost of Bravo
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 224	Posted - 2014.03.22 01:12:00 - [137] - Quote I run an advanced gallente scout and I thoroughly enjoy it. Sometimes I wish I would have had a bit more hp "if I would've been on my (insert bulkier name here)" but not so much I even have to complain. Scouts are fun, fast, versatile, agile, and vicious with the right mentality. I often wish I was "thinking like a scout" on my other suits. I'm not a dedicated anything I suppose so I never understood people's pains in this game. I run what I want how I want and try to make it work. I felt the same way when I specced into scouts. "What's the problem this is fun as hell!". I have assault based, stealth based, support based scout load outs, I just run what the situation calls for. Lastly, I always crack a smile when people rant about "how suits are supposed to be fitted/ played", when in reality the only limitations are your fitting requirements vs. Your skill and imagination. You want clearly defined roles go play an rpg.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 224	Posted - 2014.03.22 01:14:00 - [138] - Quote Yan Darn wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Dropped 39-10 with a Scout in PC. Scout Conclusion: Mobility, Dampening, and passive scans is a great substitute to a low HP based suit. Therefore, this myth that scouting is hardmode is just simply an excuse for bad players and their bad performances. So scouts have an equal presence in PC as much as any other frame? They don't, and that's reinforcing his point. Some suits are designated to be "better", but that's only due to the limitations of the mind of the player. A true excellent player can be viable in just about anything.
Dimmu Borgir II The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 257	Posted - 2014.03.22 01:39:00 - [139] - Quote Vulcanus Lightbringer wrote: My issue with the scout suit has always been the lack of CPU/PG and since that's been taken care of for 1.8 I have no complaints about it. Oh, and if you're going to scout, why would you build it like a lower-health assault? What's the point of it? Because it's stealthy and the assault is not, the extra few seconds of being able to get into a better position really do count Blue is good, red is bad, orange you glad you're not red?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7559	Posted - 2014.03.22 01:41:00 - [140] - Quote Here is the list of problems I currently have with the scout suits. 1. At least 50% of the time when I'm ghosting someone, that someone would turn around just before I catch up to them and all of a sudden I have to bail out. Unfortunately the TTK is too damn short and as a result I'm unable to bail out in time. At that point, I have only two choices. Die as I bail out or just face my opponent head on and have only a 10-20% chance of killing him before he kills me. Keep in mind that I primarily kill with just Nova Knives. The SMG I usually carry is only meant to scare off my targets. Thankfully 1.8 addresses that TTK by rebalancing the proficiency of the weapons. Interestingly enough the nova knives will keep their current proficiency. I can at least be confident that the increased TTK will give me a better chance of bailing out alive if I get caught. 2. The prototype level suit doesn't have much of a fitting problem even for the Minmatar scout. It's the standard and advanced level suits that need fixing. They don't feel that different in comparison to each other and the CPU/PG is gimped at the moment. More so on the advanced Minmatar scout even with all core skilled maxed out. It's at least nice to know that this being addressed in 1.8 finally. 3. There is blatantly obvious fact that there is very little cover when you're forced to play in maps similar to Manus Peak where there is absolutely no cover to hide in as a scout and you're constantly exposed to snipers. Line Harvest is another such map with only a little more cover but you're still relatively exposed. Thankfully the cloak will solve that issue of being forced into wide open maps. The HP is not the problem to me since a scout is suppose to be weak in order to be fast and stealthy. It's just those three factors above that hinder scouts at the moment. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor

mollerz 2837	Posted - 2014.03.22 01:46:00 - [141] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: 2. The prototype level suit doesn't have much of a fitting problem even for the Minmatar scout. It's the standard and advanced level suits that need fixing. They don't feel that different in comparison to each other and the CPU/PG is gimped at the moment. More so on the advanced Minmatar scout even with all core skilled maxed out. It's at least nice to know that this being addressed in 1.8 finally. Woah... woah lemme stop ya right there, partner. If you think that is the case, then you have a reality check coming your way. The M/1 is still hard to fit in 1.8. Maxed skills are necessary, and depending on which way you tank with it- either CPU or PG will be stretched very thin. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3590	Posted - 2014.03.22 01:56:00 - [142] - Quote A little late? You are over 3 months late to the qq 68 inches above sea level...
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7560	Posted - 2014.03.22 01:59:00 - [143] - Quote mollerz wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: 2. The prototype level suit doesn't have much of a fitting problem even for the Minmatar scout. It's the standard and advanced level suits that need fixing. They don't feel that different in comparison to each other and the CPU/PG is gimped at the moment. More so on the advanced Minmatar scout even with all core skilled maxed out. It's at least nice to know that this being addressed in 1.8 finally. Woah... woah lemme stop ya right there, partner. If you think that is the case, then you have a reality check coming your way. The M/1 is still hard to fit in 1.8. Maxed skills are necessary, and depending on which way you tank with it- either CPU or PG will be stretched very thin. Do you mean the M-1 or the M/1-Series? Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7561	Posted - 2014.03.22 02:59:00 - [144] - Quote Overall, OP, as you use the scout suit more often you will find at least a few things wrong with the suits in 1.7. Usually you learn about these problems the hard way the more you play. It's usually the small things that get in the way of accomplishing things but at times you will also encounter glaring issues I mentioned earlier. You might one day find a glaring issue with the scout based on your play style alone that maybe I haven't brought up. The reason us dedicated scouts see a problem with the current suits in 1.7 is mainly because we have experience with the suits. It's like you bought a car and loved it on your first try but then as time goes by you start realizing some problems you didn't notice earlier. Now you just hope that the manufacturer fixed the issues in the next model. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 218	Posted - 2014.03.22 03:04:00 - [145] - Quote i honestly dont see anything wrong with scout suits. i never brick tnak my gk.o. iam always that ass hole who comes ip from behind with a creoshotgun then dissapers behind a door way waiting for the preys unsuspecting squad mates. scout have the health they need to barley survive. but should not reley on it. a scouts best ally is his FCKN powerful passive scans and abilltiy to stay hidden. alot of qq scouts complain they cant take damage. a scout is not meant to be brick tanked or take damge. the scouts goal is to be silent,stealthy and be a fckn *******.
jerrmy12 kahoalii 584	Posted - 2014.03.22 03:08:00 - [146] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: i honestly dont see anything wrong with scout suits. i never brick tnak my gk.o. iam always that ass hole who comes ip from behind with a creoshotgun then dissapers behind a door way waiting for the preys unsuspecting squad mates. scout have the health they need to barley survive. but should not reley on it. a scouts best ally is his FCKN powerful passive scans and abilltiy to stay hidden. alot of qq scouts complain they cant take damage. a scout is not meant to be brick tanked or take damge. the scouts goal is to be silent,stealthy and be a fckn *******. Exept the minmatar scout has nothing No passive scan range Nothing I use a scout to get people unaware and get and easy kill because they rely on scanners Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout. Dark souls 2 new game plus.
mollerz 2837	Posted - 2014.03.22 03:20:00 - [147] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: mollerz wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: 2. The prototype level suit doesn't have much of a fitting problem even for the Minmatar scout. It's the standard and advanced level suits that need fixing. They don't feel that different in comparison to each other and the CPU/PG is gimped at the moment. More so on the advanced Minmatar scout even with all core skilled maxed out. It's at least nice to know that this being addressed in 1.8 finally. Woah... woah lemme stop ya right there, partner. If you think that is the case, then you have a reality check coming your way. The M/1 is still hard to fit in 1.8. Maxed skills are necessary, and depending on which way you tank with it- either CPU or PG will be stretched very thin. Do you mean the M-1 or the M/1-Series? M/1 You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7562	Posted - 2014.03.22 03:27:00 - [148] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: i honestly dont see anything wrong with scout suits. i never brick tnak my gk.o. iam always that ass hole who comes ip from behind with a creoshotgun then dissapers behind a door way waiting for the preys unsuspecting squad mates. scout have the health they need to barley survive. but should not reley on it. a scouts best ally is his FCKN powerful passive scans and abilltiy to stay hidden. alot of qq scouts complain they cant take damage. a scout is not meant to be brick tanked or take damge. the scouts goal is to be silent,stealthy and be a fckn *****. Again, it's not about the HP. We're ok with the HP. It's just the minor things that have hindered us for a long time. The ttk we refer to is not always about the HP. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor**
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 457	Posted - 2014.03.22 03:32:00 - [149] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Dropped 39-10 with a Scout in PC. Scout Conclusion: Mobility, Dampening, and passive scans is a great substitute to a low HP based suit. Therefore, this myth that scouting is hardmode is just simply an excuse for bad players and their bad performances. Have you specced fully into being a Scout in this game? A lot of the mechanics thus far, are wonky and don't really work. Especially, on some of the weapons we use such as Shotguns and N.K.. And you want to know what's a crazy myth? Hearing people talk about making videos on how to strafe in DUST 514 as simply an excuse on bad performance to aiming. But what do we know we're just Scout's who are bad players and bad performers.
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 249	Posted - 2014.03.22 03:50:00 - [150] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Dropped 39-10 with a Scout in PC. Scout Conclusion: Mobility, Dampening, and passive scans is a great substitute to a low HP based suit. Therefore, this myth that scouting is hardmode is just simply an excuse for bad players and their bad performances. Have you specced fully into being a Scout in this game? A lot of the mechanics thus far, are wonky and don't really work. Especially, on some of the weapons we use such as Shotguns and N.K.. And you want to know what's a crazy myth? Hearing people talk about making videos on how to strafe in DUST 514 as simply an excuse on bad performance to aiming. But what do we know we're just Scout's who are bad players and bad performers. no he was probably using a boundless on a gallente scout---aka scoutly easy mode Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7562	Posted - 2014.03.22 03:50:00 - [151] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Dropped 39-10 with a Scout in PC. Scout Conclusion: Mobility, Dampening, and passive scans is a great substitute to a low HP based suit. Therefore, this myth that scouting is hardmode is just simply an excuse for bad players and their bad performances. Have you specced fully into being a Scout in this game? A lot of the mechanics thus far, are wonky and don't really work. Especially, on some of the weapons we use such as Shotguns and N.K.. And you want to know what's a crazy myth? Hearing people talk about making videos on how to strafe in DUST 514 as simply an excuse on bad performance to aiming. But what do we know we're just Scout's who are bad players and bad performers. The question shouldn't be whether one specced into it. The question should be if one has enough experience with it. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Aria Gomes R 0 N 1 N 315	Posted - 2014.03.22 04:16:00 - [152] - Quote Level 4 Damps get you under the adv scanner which most people use. Personally I'd never brick tank a Scout fit. [I'm a Minmatar so tank isn't even on my mind.] I run Adv Min Scout all the time. This is my recent fit that I've been using. I do alright with it depending on the enemy. I can even 1 shot heavies with my knives now!! M/1 Scout TT-3 Assault Scrambler Pistol Ishukone Nova Knives Basic Flux Grenades Basic Remotes 1 Complex Shield Extender 1 Adv Precision Enhancer 1 Enhanced Cardiac Regulator 1 Enhanced Kinetic Catalyzer I'm done great with this suit and I'm done **** with this fit haha. Yeah I'm squishy as f*ck but it's a bitchin fit. You should try it out sometime, if you're willing to try NK. Or try basic NK, basic Min Scout and basic Combat Rifle all together w Complex Shield Extender. Now that is a suit that is hard to use. But it'll help you get over the hump of being squishy and still murking.
jerrmy12 kahoalii 590	Posted - 2014.03.22 04:18:00 - [153] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Dropped 39-10 with a Scout in PC. Scout Conclusion: Mobility, Dampening, and passive scans is a great substitute to a low HP based suit. Therefore, this myth that scouting is hardmode is just simply an excuse for bad players and their bad performances. Have you specced fully into being a Scout in this game? A lot of the mechanics thus far, are wonky and don't really work. Especially, on some of the weapons we use such as Shotguns and N.K.. And you want to know what's a crazy myth? Hearing people talk about making videos on how to strafe in DUST 514 as simply an excuse on bad performance to aiming. But what do we know we're just Scout's who are bad players and bad performers. no he was probably using a boundless on a gallente scout---aka scoutly easy mode I use a std combat rifle because screw the snotgun and nova knife atm its too buggy Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout. Dark souls 2 new game plus.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2019	Posted - 2014.03.22 05:48:00 - [154] - Quote Report after day 3: - Still a very good suit. I have mostly run dual scrambler pistols, Creodron breach AR, Carthum assault scrambler rifle and some Boundless CR. I have changed my fitting to be 349 armor, 160 shields, I put on a proto dampener. - Best game was 33-1 with the CR, I redlined myself... - I had several games with around 20 kills and 2-3 deaths with both the pistols and the breach ar. - The pistols are probably the most fun way to play Dust IMO, I made a mental note of speccing into them later. - I had forgotten what long effective range the A scr has while still being good in cqc. - There is something magical happening, sometimes, when you combine a Creadron AR's hipfire with a scouts strafing. I was amazed after taking on several HMG fattys 1 vs 1 up front in CQC, it will be exciting to see after 1.8 The added stealth and speed more than makes up for reduced base stats and fitting IMO. On top of being versatile and capable in all I've tried it for so far, it comes with the added bonus of being much more fun to play. Edit: I just remembered: Worst game was a 21-9 skirm we lost, and a 6-3 ambush we won. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 293	Posted - 2014.03.22 11:30:00 - [155] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Report after day 3: - Still a very good suit. I have mostly run dual scrambler pistols, Creodron breach AR, Carthum assault scrambler rifle and some Boundless CR. I have changed my fitting to be 349 armor, 160 shields, I put on a proto dampener. - Best game was 33-1 with the CR, I redlined myself... - I had several games with around 20 kills and 2-3 deaths with both the pistols and the breach ar. - The pistols are probably the most fun way to play Dust IMO, I made a mental note of speccing into them later. - I had forgotten what long effective range the A scr has while still being good in cqc. - There is something magical happening, sometimes, when you combine a Creadron AR's hipfire with a scouts strafing. I was amazed after taking on several HMG fattys 1 vs 1 up front in CQC, it will be exciting to see after 1.8 The added stealth and speed more than makes up for reduced base stats and fitting IMO. On top of being versatile and capable in all I've tried it for so far, it comes with the added bonus of being much more fun to play. Edit: I just remembered: Worst game was a 21-9 skirm we lost, and a 6-3 ambush we won. Yes it is fun isn't it! Careful with speccing more into pistols - word on the street (e.g. the SDE data) is that the RoF is being nerfed, so DPS will be reduced by varying amounts depending on the base RoF of your chosen pistol. Have you noticed a difference in your effectiveness based on the maps? e.g. as Maken said, there is bugger all cover on Manus Peak, so you're more vulnerable. Glad you're having fun with it! :)
Tyjus Vacca Valor Coalition Red Whines. 206	Posted - 2014.03.22 11:38:00 - [156] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Gall scouts can be pretty good slayers. That's the same way I run my scouts babar. I do really well as well, even in PC. However I think most of he complaints with the scout suit stem from trying to use ewar and biotic module set up instead of hp set up like u and I use. I have indeed tried a pure ewar set up with only 1 rep and no tank other than a shield extender and it was pretty damn hard. I won't say "you're not a real scout" because if that's true, I'm not a real scout either. You're not a real scout. who is? Scouts gather Intel and deliver messages. Neither of which is very needed in Dust. Anyone can carry a scanner. The folk running NKs and REs are scouts. The ones dropping uplinks in good spots rather than rooftops, or the ones who have to pick & choose their fights. you missed my point. I think its funny how NKs are even considered a weapon. The ratio of knife kills to knives that get killed is tiny. They are a party favor and good for a laugh at best. Ouch you got me with those knives after 19tries. That makes a good scout? No wonder good scouts cry all day. I cant wait to make you eat those words >=D scout suit 300 > ehp : G£ö cal fw "terrible blueberries" : G£ö stacked red team : G£ö "still too easy - knives only"
Tyjus Vacca Valor Coalition Red Whines. 206	Posted - 2014.03.22 11:50:00 - [157] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Report after day 3: - Still a very good suit. I have mostly run dual scrambler pistols, Creodron breach AR, Carthum assault scrambler rifle and some Boundless CR. I have changed my fitting to be 349 armor, 160 shields, I put on a proto dampener. - Best game was 33-1 with the CR, I redlined myself... - I had several games with around 20 kills and 2-3 deaths with both the pistols and the breach ar. - The pistols are probably the most fun way to play Dust IMO, I made a mental note of speccing into them later. - I had forgotten what long effective range the A scr has while still being good in cqc. - There is something magical happening, sometimes, when you combine a Creadron AR's hipfire with a scouts strafing. I was amazed after taking on several HMG fattys 1 vs 1 up front in CQC, it will be exciting to see after 1.8 The added stealth and speed more than makes up for reduced base stats and fitting IMO. On top of being versatile and capable in all I've tried it for so far, it comes with the added bonus of being much more fun to play. Edit: I just remembered: Worst game was a 21-9 skirm we lost, and a 6-3 ambush we won. I've run std commando with adv flaylock and adv knives.......... didn't have a good suit, wasn't playing to any of its strengths, but had a good squad so was averaging like a 3 kdr for the matches we played, my point being just you were in a scout suit (even if it was proto) or any UP suit, if your a solid player and you have a solid squad (probally proto logi's or tanks) you can expect to do well.... TLDR: solid player + gimped suit + solid squad = solid gameplay ......... :D scout suit 300 > ehp : G£ö cal fw "terrible blueberries" : G£ö stacked red team : G£ö "still too easy - knives only"
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7571	Posted - 2014.03.22 11:51:00 - [158] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Report after day 3: - Still a very good suit. I have mostly run dual scrambler pistols, Creodron breach AR, Carthum assault scrambler rifle and some Boundless CR. I have changed my fitting to be 349 armor, 160 shields, I put on a proto dampener. - Best game was 33-1 with the CR, I redlined myself... - I had several games with around 20 kills and 2-3 deaths with both the pistols and the breach ar. - The pistols are probably the most fun way to play Dust IMO, I made a mental note of speccing into them later. - I had forgotten what long effective range the A scr has while still being good in cqc. - There is something magical happening, sometimes, when you combine a Creadron AR's hipfire with a scouts strafing. I was amazed after taking on several HMG fattys 1 vs 1 up front in CQC, it will be exciting to see after 1.8 The added stealth and speed more than makes up for reduced base stats and fitting IMO. On top of being versatile and capable in all I've tried it for so far, it comes with the added bonus of being much more fun to play. Edit: I just remembered: Worst game was a 21-9 skirm we lost, and a 6-3 ambush we won. It seems to me that it's less about the suit and more about your gun game. I'm willing to say that maybe you just so happen to be a natural born scout. If that's the case, where the ** were you this whole time? PS: Come join Scouts United chat channel. Would be nice to have you there. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor**
Sgt Buttscratch R 0 N 1 N 2077	Posted - 2014.03.22 13:22:00 - [159] - Quote Your running it as a medium.. but gaining some of the scout bonus'. Try playing it as a scout, shotgun someone 3 times in the spine, only to see their health is still full, run in to stop a hack and watch the null cannon's magic shield eat yur nova knife swing. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Varoth Drac The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 27	Posted - 2014.03.22 14:45:00 - [160] - Quote So I did as I said, I skilled into galente scout, stuck 3 enhanced plates and a repper on it and combat rifled people. Went 25-8. Not bad for me, though not amazing considering it was a proto suit against mostly std and adv. Was a close game though so they weren't noobs. Also I had loads of fitting space left since I don't have a proto rifle, repper or nanohive. I didnt feel like the strafing was great though, neither was the speed. Stealth, passive scan and stamina were good though. Ironically I found myself particularly vulnerable to shotgun min scouts. Obviously I need to play more games but I don't think the suit was any better than an assault, which could probably do the job more effectively. I think the real conclusions are that rifles, armor tanking and the assault role are op compared to more stealth and speed play. Not that scouts are fine. The proto gelente scout does make a great stealth assault suit though. As would a cal assault with a dampener and a cardiac regulator. I normally play minmatar scout with a shotgun, a play style that is more distinct from assault and is slightly underpowered. This is the reason for the scout buff, not because scouts can't be light assaults.

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7576	Posted - 2014.03.22 15:49:00 - [161] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: So I did as I said, I skilled into galente scout, stuck 3 enhanced plates and a repper on it and combat rifled people. Went 25-8. Not bad for me, though not amazing considering it was a proto suit against mostly std and adv. Was a close game though so they weren't noobs. Also I had loads of fitting space left since I don't have a proto rifle, repper or nanohive. I didnt feel like the strafing was great though, neither was the speed. Stealth, passive scan and stamina were good though. Ironically I found myself particularly vulnerable to shotgun min scouts. Obviously I need to play more games but I don't think the suit was any better than an assault, which could probably do the job more effectively. I think the real conclusions are that rifles, armor tanking and the assault role are op compared to more stealth and speed play. Not that scouts are fine. The proto gelente scout does make a great stealth assault suit though. As would a cal assault with a dampener and a cardiac regulator. I normally play minmatar scout with a shotgun, a play style that is more distinct from assault and is slightly underpowered. This is the reason for the scout buff, not because scouts can't be light assaults. That's a problem I forgot to point out. Scout suits have been completely marginalized by the medium size suits. There is barely anything left for the scout that a logi or assault can't do better at the moment. The only few things that a scout can do currently is just be stealthy but that's extremely difficult to do when you're put into an open map as notorious as Manus Peak and you're facing medium suits that can do most of what you're designed to do but better. 1.8 at the very least addresses that marginalization of the scout class. No more will the logis be able to outperform the scouts in the few things scouts are meant for. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2488	Posted - 2014.03.22 15:56:00 - [162] - Quote I see you're still using a proto suit - any reports from the advanced sides of things? Also, are any of those scores anything like what you get in your medium suits? How have you been measuring up against the rest of your squad? Tried running it solo or with a squad of randoms? Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Toby Flenderson research lab 374	Posted - 2014.03.22 16:03:00 - [163] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: becuase most scouts dont brick tank... So its like: Scout: Oh noes, I have so little HP, just glance at me and I'm dead! Anyone else: Why don't you put some more HP on that suit then? You have plenty of fitting space... Scout: No but then it wouldn't be a proper scout, please buff. You don't really need all of the hp if you play more carefully/strategically. The people who didn't brick tank the scout suits still seem to expect it to be on par with an assault or logi. I'm just generalizing what I've seen in threads or heard in conversations, but it really does seem like people just want a faster assault suit that gets bonus dampening. Anything less than that expectation is clearly UP to them. I agree with the OP, scout suits were fine. You just had to use them differently to be successful. Because people QQ all the time about them, we'll soon be invisible. I'm still a little surprised that this actually happened, but I'm mostly annoyed. Now everyone and their moms can use the scout suit effectively like a regular Crysis assault suit. Buff scouts + nerf scanners + increase TTK + cloaks = way too much for the scouts at one time = mistake.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7580	Posted - 2014.03.22 16:16:00 - [164] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: KingBabar wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: becuase most scouts dont brick tank... So its like: Scout: Oh noes, I have so little HP, just glance at me and I'm dead! Anyone else: Why don't you put some more HP on that suit then? You have plenty of fitting space... Scout: No but then it wouldn't be a proper scout, please buff. You don't really need all of the hp if you play more carefully/strategically. The people who didn't brick tank the scout suits still seem to expect it to be on par with an assault or logi. I'm just generalizing what I've seen in threads or heard in conversations, but it really does seem like people just want a faster assault suit that gets bonus dampening. Anything less than that expectation is clearly UP to them. I agree with the OP, scout suits were fine. You just had to use them differently to be successful. Because people QQ all the time about them, we'll soon be invisible. I'm still a little surprised that this actually happened, but I'm mostly annoyed. Now everyone and their moms can use the scout suit effectively like a regular Crysis assault suit. Buff scouts + nerf scanners + increase TTK + cloaks = way too much for the scouts at one time = mistake. I agree to an extent except for that last line in your post. Anyways, you're ignoring the points I made in this post plus the marginalization of the scouts abilities by certain medium suits. Scouts would be completely fine if those factors didn't exist. But they those factors do exist and thus the scout suit needs fixing in those areas. EDIT: At this point, this conversation will soon change once 1.8 hits in 3 days and the changes posted by CCP are already set in stone. We'll just have to see how it all goes from there. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2491	Posted - 2014.03.22 16:24:00 - [165] - Quote Anyone who thinks scouts have been complaining because they aren't able to kill is barking up the wrong tree. We've been complaining because the things that are supposed to be our strengths have been totally surpassed by cheap tactics like perma-spin-scanners and omniscient installations and magnetic-aiming and shot-stopping and weapon bugs and long range weapons being killer at all ranges and so many other things. And if you want to be a stealthy assault, you can always chuck on a couple of complex dampeners on an assault or logi and you're there - the speed advantage is negligible because of some of the things mentioned above and the hit-box difference is largely negated by aim-assist, though both still have an impact in the right hands. Most of all, player skill trumps ALL, so a top player will wipe the floor even running a mlt starter fit - does that mean no one else should ever need anything other than the mlt starter fits? Didn't think so. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4418	Posted - 2014.03.22 17:10:00 - [166] - Quote Here's the explanation: scouts aren't UP, just most people who try them are idiots. Also, never try to speed tank; that's ********. LoS tank instead- if you've never heard of it, it's Line-of-sight tanking: at close range, keep trying to get behind your target. At long range, when you're moving in, always move in a way that blocks your target's line of sight. Even if all you're throwing between you is a lightpost, it's still something to eat up a few bullets for you while you get closer. I am your scan error.
Protected Void Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 258	Posted - 2014.03.22 17:32:00 - [167] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Protected Void wrote: : Advanced level Scrambler rifle Toxin SMG blueprint Advanced level locus grenade Complex KinCat Complex range extender Complex Shield extender The cheapest uplink (stable?) You seriously want me to take you seriously after coming up with a fitting like that? I don't need to explain anything to you, if you fit your suits like that then we're on different planets in terms of whats a good competitive setup. Yes I could go on about how the fitting cost of both the weapon and Kin Cat is a waste on such a low end suit, I could go on about how the range extender gives you next to nothing, is it what? 5 or 10 , extra meters passive scan? How the mix off speed tanking doesn't fit with the use of the gun with the second longest range. Why use a range amp over a dampener? Its insane. With that gun I'd go for tanking or stealth, definately not passive scan and speed.... I could go on. In this case I'm not your little brother at a loss for words trying to derail the debate. You're the ittle kid who doesn't have a basic understanding of the game leading to the rest of us mostly "debating over your head". I mean, you don't even get the obvious part so any wonder I don't trust you to be the epiffany of wisdom in this area.... Note to self: Stop trying to argue with the plebs, they have a totally different point of refference. Good, that's more like it - some actual arguments. I'll ignore that you apparently still feel the need to throw out arrogant insults to feel good about yourself. Now for some more info and reasoning about my fitting: It's obviously not my only fitting - it's the one I use the most, though. KinCat on a scout is not a waste, it's a way to accentuate one of the scout's strengths. Since the bonus it provides is a percentage of an already decent sprint speed, it provides a lot of bang for the buck. The resulting sprint speed allows me to flank and/or escape very efficiently. The weapon is, of course, not an obvious choice for a PG starved suit. It is, however, a good choice for a playstyle that involves a lot of flanking and otherwise surprising people with high alpha damage. I get about 70% of my kills with charged shots, of which about half are headshots. Since it's very efficient against shields, it's also a good match for my SMG. Furthermore, when I skilled into it, the only other rifle available was the oh-so-boring AR. I like precision weapons as my main, so full auto was out of the question. The TAC was so obviously going to be nerfed, so...nah. My purely passive skill based scan range is currently 30 meters (161.51.25), if I don't recall wrongly. Just a tad past the first ring on the radar. Adding a complex range extender gives me another 25% increase, for a total of 37.5 meters. That takes it out from useful-at-times to useful-most-of-the-time. My scan precision is maxed out, which means I see everything up to and including undampened scouts and decently dampened med frames on my radar in a very useful radius - all the time. Good for flanking, stealth and evasion. Especially when I usually don't have the luxury of proto active scanners in my squad. I use a range amp over a dampener for the most part due to what I wrote in the previous point. My passive dampening allows me to avoid all scanners except proto, and any suit not stacked with multiple precision enhancers. Whenever you and your buddies or anyone else relying on proto scanners show up, I switch to a fitting with an enhanced dampener, allowing me to evade everything but the focused scanner. Ie: dampeners are useless to me most of the time. Range extender is always useful. I avoid direct confrontations when I can, flank a lot and rely a lot on medium range alpha damage. I can't think of any advanced gallente scout fittings that works better for that. I generally do well in this fitting, but it's because I've had a lot of practice running around in my gimp suit and have gotten to know it's weaknesses and strengths well. Not because it's a good suit.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3599	Posted - 2014.03.22 21:02:00 - [168] - Quote Everyone needs to STFU in this game there is no right or wrong way to run a suit and I have seen just about every frame size ***** about their suit. This is no special case deserving special attention nor is any other. STFU everyone, who cares who tanks what and whatever scores they got. Over half the players in the game are terrible at gun game and have terrible awareness. Addiction to scanners is what makes a scout suit so great right now. And once again the QQ from scouts happened long ago, before we got respective buffs a couple builds ago. To say you are late is an understatement. 68 inches above sea level...
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1533	Posted - 2014.03.22 21:07:00 - [169] - Quote I love killing scanners. You can guarantee they will have their back turned at some point.(360). I took a few pot shots at a guy and he whips out his scanner.moronic. He died looking the opposite direction. Who wants some?
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 998	Posted - 2014.03.22 21:35:00 - [170] - Quote Some funny arguments here, 4 pages got boring so I stopped I started Matari Scouting a couple of months back, with my biotics L5 CR5 KC3 The Scout was an easy choice over a speed tanked Logi/Assault And other than 1.6 AA Scout has performed well IMO 1.8 pretty much sets all scouts in a perfect position bar one issue CCP overlooked HP tanking limits on Dropsuits Even in my current Matari Scout 343 shields/ 300 Armour is an easy fit When IMO a scout should NOT be able to tank that well ...... Just as what the 'Slayer Assault/Logi's have done.. HP tanked It makes any thoughtful fitting invalid V HP tanks... lame Some rough numbers would be Lights 400 Mediums 750 Heavys 1400 Because having lighter suits tank defeats the purpose of having heavier suits ^ Just my own random opinion in the midst of this chaos 'D1CK by name' 'D1CK by nature'

Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven 646	Posted - 2014.03.22 21:46:00 - [171] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Here's the explanation: scouts aren't UP. Not in 1.7 they aren't The majority of QQ was 1.4-1.6 with no vehicles and AR514. It took a long time for people to adjust to the use of scanners (profile damps) from when tacnet was dropped. When grenade spam was at its worst, before armor penalties, ages ago. That's when CCP acknowledged the scout plight and balanced around those builds. 1.7 scouts are making a comeback. Pro-fit Prophet "Gimme yo lunch money"
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 951	Posted - 2014.03.22 22:06:00 - [172] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Like many others I decided to put the events 3 M SP into another suit to get a new experience knowing that the SPs will be refunded shortly. So I got the Galente scout and I've been running it for 2 days. I have various fits off course but lets focus on a more "assault fitted suit". So I get 160 shields 470 armor with a 6.25 passive rep, and an Allotek hive to get that armor back when I'm in a tight spot. Its fast, semi stealthy and wields proto weapons. Yes its obviously not a dual tanked logi fit with 1000 HP but it works very well, I've had many solid games with it, several with 30+ kills and 1-3 deaths. I also suppose the dampened speed tanked shotty fit I have is a great one with a little skillpoints invested in the shotty and a little time invested in playing that particular role. Even though the shields are only 160, they still come back extremely fast. I often take 500 points of damage, go to cover, toss down an allotek hive and I'm ready to go. I've also noticed that people hit me way less in this suit. I've gone up against several tanky protosuits front to front and won cause they simply can't track my strafeing. So I ask you, (mostly too) proud scouts of this community, Whats with all the QQ? I've seen thread after thread from scouts claiming their suits, indeed their entire role is UP. I've held my tongue cause I haven't had a scout suit properly specced yet. But after running it for 2 days I just can't see what the big deal is about. Take away the 2 damage mods and the HP and rep speed is almost identical to my Amarr assault. Yes 2 damage mods or 2 shield extenders is more but the Amarr assault would be a much worse suit if I tried to match the scout suits speed and stealth.... What exactly is or soon to be "was" the big deal about scout suits being UP? I don't get it..... You've made an assault suit out of a scout and concluded that nothing is wrong with being an assault - tanked suit with an automatic rifle. When you try to play as a scout with CQC weapons and stealth, you would see that it just does not work well. If you want to brick tank and run with an assault rifle you'll be much better off running a medium frame. So basically assault scout is worse that assault assault and scout scout is non-viable. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3227	Posted - 2014.03.22 22:09:00 - [173] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: becuase most scouts dont brick tank... So its like: Scout: Oh noes, I have so little HP, just glance at me and I'm dead! Anyone else: Why don't you put some more HP on that suit then? You have plenty of fitting space... Scout: No but then it wouldn't be a proper scout, please buff. The min scout you'll find much harder to fit ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott Level 3 Forum Warrior
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2493	Posted - 2014.03.22 23:01:00 - [174] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Here's the explanation: scouts aren't UP, just most people who try them are idiots. Also, never try to speed tank; that's ********. LoS tank instead- if you've never heard of it, it's Line-of-sight tanking: at close range, keep trying to get behind your target. At long range, when you're moving in, always move in a way that blocks your target's line of sight. Even if all you're throwing between you is a lightpost, it's still something to eat up a few bullets for you while you get closer. You can LoS tank in any suit, even a heavy frame. If you want to be stealthy, stick on s couple of dampeners and you're as good as a scout, except for the fact that if someone just happens to turn around and catch you, you're not going to get killed before you can press the trigger. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4425	Posted - 2014.03.22 23:13:00 - [175] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Here's the explanation: scouts aren't UP, just most people who try them are idiots. Also, never try to speed tank; that's ********. LoS tank instead- if you've never heard of it, it's Line-of-sight tanking: at close range, keep trying to get behind your target. At long range, when you're moving in, always move in a way that blocks your target's line of sight. Even if all you're throwing between you is a lightpost, it's still something to eat up a few bullets for you while you get closer. You can LoS tank in any suit, even a heavy frame. If you want to be stealthy, stick on s couple of dampeners and you're as good as a scout, except for the fact that if someone just happens to turn around and catch you, you're not going to get killed before you can press the trigger. Scouts have a smaller hitbox, and can move to cover faster; this makes them a better LoS tank than anything else. Also scouts have a naturally low profile, so they don't need to waste a bunch of low slots just to avoid a standard scanner. I am your scan error.
Yeeeuuuupppp 178	Posted - 2014.03.24 11:22:00 - [176] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: becuase most scouts dont brick tank... So its like: Scout: Oh noes, I have so little HP, just glance at me and I'm dead! Anyone else: Why don't you put some more HP on that suit then? You have plenty of fitting space... Scout: No but then it wouldn't be a proper scout, please buff. Since I have minmatar scout I shield tank and put as many complex shield extenders as I can, while making sure I fit in the right weapons I prefer not to put any armor modules on my scout suit cause it takes the room I use for speed unless it's more of an assault fit.. The real issues for scouts are rail rifles and aim assist.. Rail rifles will catch you while you're sneaking around and just melt you and since mostly everyone uses aim assist they can make sure their shots land on you and poof dead CCP Saberwing: " War elephants for 1.9" I really want the templar set Feel the wrath of my troll
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7610	Posted - 2014.03.24 11:39:00 - [177] - Quote Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: KingBabar wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: becuase most scouts dont brick tank... So its like: Scout: Oh noes, I have so little HP, just glance at me and I'm dead! Anyone else: Why don't you put some more HP on that suit then? You have plenty of fitting space... Scout: No but then it wouldn't be a proper scout, please buff. Since I have minmatar scout I shield tank and put as many complex shield extenders as I can, while making sure I fit in the right weapons I prefer not to put any armor modules on my scout suit cause it takes the room I use for speed unless it's more of an assault fit.. The real issues for scouts are rail rifles and aim assist.. Rail rifles will catch you while you're sneaking around and just melt you and since mostly everyone uses aim assist they can make sure their shots land on you and poof dead I admit, I died peaking a corner one time to a rail rifle. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor


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