It all depends. I'm hiding your posts because you are actually behaving like my little sister when she was 16 trying to be all picky, its really sad lol.

Like many others I decided to put the events 3 M SP into another suit to get a new experience knowing that the SPs will be refunded shortly. So I got the Galente scout and I've been running it for 2 days.

I have various fits off course but lets focus on a more "assault fitted suit".
So I get 160 shields 470 armor with a 6.25 passive rep, and an Allotek hive to get that armor back when I'm in a tight spot. Its fast, semi stealthy and wields proto weapons.

Yes its obviously not a dual tanked logi fit with 1000 HP but it works very well, I've had many solid games with it, several with 30+ kills and 1-3 deaths. I also suppose the dampened speed tanked shotty fit I have is a great one with a little skillpoints invested in the shotty and a little time invested in playing that particular role.

Even though the shields are only 160, they still come back extremely fast. I often take 500 points of damage, go to cover, toss down an allotek hive and I'm ready to go. I've also noticed that people hit me way less in this suit. I've gone up against several tanky protosuits front to front and won cause they simply can't track my strafeing.

So I ask you, (mostly too) proud scouts of this community, Whats with all the QQ?

I've seen thread after thread from scouts claiming their suits, indeed their entire role is UP. I've held my tongue cause I haven't had a scout suit properly specced yet. But after running it for 2 days I just can't see what the big deal is about. Take away the 2 damage mods and the HP and rep speed is almost identical to my Amarr assault. Yes 2 damage mods or 2 shield extenders is more but the Amarr assault would be a much worse suit if I tried to match the scout suits speed and stealth....

What exactly is or soon to be "was" the big deal about scout suits being UP? I don't get it.....

More SP than other suits to be viable? Really? Tell that to my logi suit....

Off course it isn't better at assaulting than the assault suits are.... doh.

I'm merely stating that they're surprisngly good at the job, when properly fitted.

No I wouldn't have specced scout regardless, I like to have more than 1 equipment slot....

And don't get me wrong here, I do look foreward to the 1.8 change, I'll finally get back to my true role, the scout. I used scout suits for 3 of the 4 beta builds and it was merely the removal of that second equiment slot for proto suits that made me switch to logi suits, I wanna do a little more than shoot people and restock my ammo...

My point is more of the line of: "yes the light frames are weaker, but they're far from as useless as many of the forum scout QQers have presented them as." Many of you have been acting like its as useless as contact nades....

Scouts aren't as bad as people think. I run adv gallante fit for scanning and dampening with under 300 hp and do fine. Yes I need to nade heavies (flux if I'm cbr locus if I'm Scr)

Yes I will lose long rnge engagements in the open.

But it plays fine and I do just as well with it as my rail logi or Scr heavy. I think the problem is against relly good teams with high levels Of communication it struggles. But then I just switch to a role more fitting to the situation. Some people in this game want to stubbornly stick to a class and not bother diversifying and then complain thier role is up cause it can't do everything.


Scouts are going to be OP in 1.8. The extra equipment slot, the extra fcpu/pg the extra slot, the lower profile, higher range and better percision? The cloak that only they can use?

CCP should've made one of those 5 changes, not all 5. They were viable before and now it's gunna he cray cray.

Scouts are going to be OP in 1.8. The extra equipment slot, the extra fcpu/pg the extra slot, the lower profile, higher range and better percision? The cloak that only they can use?

CCP should've made one of those 5 changes, not all 5. They were viable before and now it's gunna he cray cray.

Babar: To sum it up, unless you have tried at least three at a time of the following - for at least 100 matches - your argument is simply not valid:

• Run in an advanced level scout suit
• Run solo or in a squad with a maximum of two other players, of which only one runs mostly proto gear
• Run a scout suit prior to Uprising 1.7 (it was harder before)
• Face a squad of proto players using proto scanners (any proto scanner, not just the focused)
• Run a scout suit without having your core skills maxed out

I have all my relevant fitting skills maxed out, here's what I can fit on my advanced level Gallente scout:

• Advanced level Scrambler rifle
• Toxin SMG blueprint
• Advanced level locus grenade
• Complex KinCat
• Complex range extender
• Complex Shield extender
• The cheapest uplink (stable?)

That's right, not enough CPU/PG to even put anything in my second high slot. Or, I can replace the uplink with the cheapest nanohive and bathe in the luxury of a basic shield extender extra. Hoorah!

And no, running proto is not economically viable in most matches. I have proto fittings that I tend to do better in than in my advanced fittings, but that's kind of null and void when two deaths equal a net loss of 150000 ISK or so - even if I top the leaderboard and my team wins the match.

well you didn't understand the problem. we complained that everything our suits could do another suit could do better which is a completely legitimate argument. 1.8 ends that though with cloaking scouts can now do something better than any other suit can.

Babar, you seem to be completely ignoring the very important point I and others have made several other times - the proto gallente scout is the least UP of all the scout suits and was always the one with the least problems. You can't just wear the most powerful suit, think it's fine and then declare all scout suits as fine.

I know it's totally against your nature but if you really wanted to get an objective view of where all our scout complaints are coming from, you'll try a different suit, like the advanced gallente scout, since you already have that unlocked.

Like many others I decided to put the events 3 M SP into another suit to get a new experience knowing that the SPs will be refunded shortly. So I got the Galente scout and I've been running it for 2 days.

I have various fits off course but lets focus on a more "assault fitted suit".
So I get 160 shields 470 armor with a 6.25 passive rep, and an Allotek hive to get that armor back when I'm in a tight spot. Its fast, semi stealthy and wields proto weapons.

Yes its obviously not a dual tanked logi fit with 1000 HP but it works very well, I've had many solid games with it, several with 30+ kills and 1-3 deaths. I also suppose the dampened speed tanked shotty fit I have is a great one with a little skillpoints invested in the shotty and a little time invested in playing that particular role.

Even though the shields are only 160, they still come back extremely fast. I often take 500 points of damage, go to cover, toss down an allotek hive and I'm ready to go. I've also noticed that people hit me way less in this suit. I've gone up against several tanky protosuits front to front and won cause they simply can't track my strafeing.

So I ask you, (mostly too) proud scouts of this community, Whats with all the QQ?

I've seen thread after thread from scouts claiming their suits, indeed their entire role is UP. I've held my tongue cause I haven't had a scout suit properly specced yet. But after running it for 2 days I just can't see what the big deal is about. Take away the 2 damage mods and the HP and rep speed is almost identical to my Amarr assault. Yes 2 damage mods or 2 shield extenders is more but the Amarr assault would be a much worse suit if I tried to match the scout suits speed and stealth....

What exactly is or soon to be "was" the big deal about scout suits being UP? I don't get it.....

Scouts are OP. It just takes a brain. The tactical application of a scout is myriad. Everyone wants to be an assault with it. That's fine if you understand you will lose a fair fight. I set rules to follow and if I keep my role in mind I don't die. I've stalked whole squads, murdering at every turn in the road. Once you cause the fear even hardened mercs get jumpy. I may be a bit unorthadox but a Duvolle on a GK.O is the best Imo.

Babar, you seem to be completely ignoring the very important point I and others have made several other times - the proto gallente scout is the least UP of all the scout suits and was always the one with the least problems. You can't just wear the most powerful suit, think it's fine and then declare all scout suits as fine.

I know it's totally against your nature but if you really wanted to get an objective view of where all our scout complaints are coming from, you'll try a different suit, like the advanced gallente scout, since you already have that unlocked.

If scouts want to be able to play as a "proper" scout, being an untrackable, super fast, squishy assassin. The suits sprint speed should be near doubled, and prevent any extra health mods from being added to its base hp. That way they have like 200hp, but are incredibly hard to hit. problem solved?

I'm off for a short nap and come back to all of this.

- To the dude with the vid challenge: I'll do a solo play with med suit and a pair of basic pistols, I don't have any nova skills and I don't think using a bran new and very different weapon is a good test of a suits capabilities anyway.

- I started at launch with a proto caldari logi and a maxed out AR and halfways maxed out core skills. For me to use it and make any sort of viable oppinion about it I have to use a proto suit. I can't simply run a dragonfly and compare it to my 900 HP PC Callogi fit....lets be real here.

- All you babies claiming I should use the suit this or that way, you're all morons. I tested various setups, I used one very much which had a proto scanner, a dampener and about 300 armor. Great fun with the added challenge of running out of ammo and relying on my basic scrambler, I got 6 kills one time before running out of that ammo too, mellee didn't go so well......

- I've had tons of fun on a lighter (2 basic plates) version wich can fit a freedom mass driver and proto flux nades while being dampened. Yes very situational but I had some very amusing moments sneaking up on groups of triage-hive camping slowsies.

- I used the "assault setup" just to illustrate that you can get 630 HP and a Godly Allotek hive on it, even with a proto weapon. It was a way for me to test the suit in the role its NOT supposed to be good at, straight up attack, assaulting is a word that comes to mind. I'm no great snaky ninja with Master RE tossing skills, I'm merely a grunt who drags along some equipment while I try and smite all the reds on my way to the objective. I can only imagine how good a scout suit works with those deadly knives or 1-2 shot for a kill shottys, in a more stealthy, much faster "classic scout" sort of way.

- And the winner goes to however said something about me standing around in the outskirts with long range weapons. LOL

If scouts want to be able to play as a "proper" scout, being an untrackable, super fast, squishy assassin. The suits sprint speed should be near doubled, and prevent any extra health mods from being added to its base hp. That way they have like 200hp, but are incredibly hard to hit. problem solved?

That would be ludicrously funny and I'd love that lol.

yeah ^_^ obviously they would need nerfing in other areas though. most people scout so that they can speed hack, so if they get there twice as fast the hacking timer should be slowed down or maybe even removed :P

Curious. I was under the impression that scouts QQ mostly was about them being way too easy to kill, and by extension wasn't a relevant class.

Anyways, I do see the "all other classes can do it better" arguent, and I reject it. So many here take it for solid fact that the logi suits are better at assaulting than the assault suits are, but I'm very convinced of the fact that both my Ammar assault and my Caldari assault is far more deadly than my sluggish caldari logi is.

In the same way I do believe that when trying to run and flank in a stealthy setup trying to literrally backstab, or do it with a shotgun, the scout suit is the best suit for it. No other suit can match the move/stamina/stealth combo which is vital for that sort of play. In a way, the two best closeup weapons, nova knife and shotty is kind of reserved for the class, by tradition at least.

I find the artificial opposition that is created by identifying with a specific role is a bit counterproductive to the discussion, but I can identify with the frustration about one suit being UP. If the game forces you to specialize, it better balances things out nicely.

I for my part, use the scout to run to the objective, drop an uplink, hack maybe, make 1-2 kills and die (basic scout suit for minimal ISK loss). Then I go in with something else, dependant on the situation. I dont think it is very UP, but I think the scout is the hardest class to find a viable playstyle for. With viable I mean, you can run the suit in different fittings all the match and still contribute, whereas the assault is pretty straightforward.

If there would be some sort of tutorial for "how to scout efficiently" with special regards to different fittings, there may be less misinterpretations what the suit is for and trough that less frustrations with it being not appropriate for the desires of specific players.

Although one of the merits of dust is the freedom to try out something else entirely. Even if UP or, in the end, useless. So making a suit that can only function for one playstyle and one playstyle only, is a bit strange, making this freedom useless too. There seems to be a fine line here, between intended class / role / fitting and freedom of choice. If there is only one really effective playstyle (slaying, as Babar implies), this choice would be a farce. I dont think CCP had this in mind when creating this game, with its various tools and assets, and giving players all these choices. So the definitive answer, imo, should be: Balance it and balance it damn well!

Tiericide, done.

The problem is with 360 permascans and having less HP in any competitive battle such as PC you could damp a medium frame with far more HP and be more effective in most cases. Granted some people are better at running scouts or other various suits but you can't take the top tier players in their niche and balance solely off of their performance. Scouts needed more things to separate them from other suits, the 2nd equipment slot and the lower base profile we get in 1.8 help in this regard, not to mention the bonus to cloaking.