DUST Search - A little late but can dedicated scouts please explain?

KingBabar wrote:

Protected Void wrote:

Babar: To sum it up, unless you have tried at least three at a time of the following - for at least 100 matches - your argument is simply not valid:

Run in an advanced level scout suit
Run solo or in a squad with a maximum of two other players, of which only one runs mostly proto gear
Run a scout suit prior to Uprising 1.7 (it was harder before)
Face a squad of proto players using proto scanners (any proto scanner, not just the focused)
Run a scout suit without having your core skills maxed out

I have all my relevant fitting skills maxed out, here's what I can fit on my advanced level Gallente scout:

Advanced level Scrambler rifle
Toxin SMG blueprint
Advanced level locus grenade
Complex KinCat
Complex range extender
Complex Shield extender
The cheapest uplink (stable?)

That's right, not enough CPU/PG to even put anything in my second high slot. Or, I can replace the uplink with the cheapest nanohive and bathe in the luxury of a basic shield extender extra. Hoorah!

And no, running proto is not economically viable in most matches. I have proto fittings that I tend to do better in than in my advanced fittings, but that's kind of null and void when two deaths equal a net loss of 150000 ISK or so - even if I top the leaderboard and my team wins the match.

Thats probably the most ludacris setup I've ever seen. Seriously, if we had a sarcastic "This is the setup I actually use" competition, you'd probably win. WOW just WOW.

You're not exactly helping the "scouts are UP" crowd here.

On a related note. I do think the minmatar scout looks very weak on paper for doing anything but being a ninja nova knifer and soon also ninja hacker. Its a specialist suit that reminds me of the Amarr assault. I also don't think its fair to judge the assault class after the Minmatar assault suit....


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Protected Void Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 249	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:59:00 - [1] - Quote Babar: To sum it up, unless you have tried at least three at a time of the following - for at least 100 matches - your argument is simply not valid: Run in an advanced level scout suit Run solo or in a squad with a maximum of two other players, of which only one runs mostly proto gear Run a scout suit prior to Uprising 1.7 (it was harder before) Face a squad of proto players using proto scanners (any proto scanner, not just the focused) Run a scout suit without having your core skills maxed out I have all my relevant fitting skills maxed out, here's what I can fit on my advanced level Gallente scout: Advanced level Scrambler rifle Toxin SMG blueprint Advanced level locus grenade Complex KinCat Complex range extender Complex Shield extender The cheapest uplink (stable?) That's right, not enough CPU/PG to even put anything in my second high slot. Or, I can replace the uplink with the cheapest nanohive and bathe in the luxury of a basic shield extender extra. Hoorah! And no, running proto is not economically viable in most matches. I have proto fittings that I tend to do better in than in my advanced fittings, but that's kind of null and void when two deaths equal a net loss of 150000 ISK or so - even if I top the leaderboard and my team wins the match.
Protected Void Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 253	Posted - 2014.03.21 16:07:00 - [2] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Protected Void wrote: Babar: To sum it up, unless you have tried at least three at a time of the following - for at least 100 matches - your argument is simply not valid: Run in an advanced level scout suit Run solo or in a squad with a maximum of two other players, of which only one runs mostly proto gear Run a scout suit prior to Uprising 1.7 (it was harder before) Face a squad of proto players using proto scanners (any proto scanner, not just the focused) Run a scout suit without having your core skills maxed out I have all my relevant fitting skills maxed out, here's what I can fit on my advanced level Gallente scout: Advanced level Scrambler rifle Toxin SMG blueprint Advanced level locus grenade Complex KinCat Complex range extender Complex Shield extender The cheapest uplink (stable?) That's right, not enough CPU/PG to even put anything in my second high slot. Or, I can replace the uplink with the cheapest nanohive and bathe in the luxury of a basic shield extender extra. Hoorah! And no, running proto is not economically viable in most matches. I have proto fittings that I tend to do better in than in my advanced fittings, but that's kind of null and void when two deaths equal a net loss of 150000 ISK or so - even if I top the leaderboard and my team wins the match. Thats probably the most ludacris setup I've ever seen. Seriously, if we had a sarcastic "This is the setup I actually use" competition, you'd probably win. WOW just WOW. You're not exactly helping the "scouts are UP" crowd here. On a related note. I do think the minmatar scout looks very weak on paper for doing anything but being a ninja nova knifer and soon also ninja hacker. Its a specialist suit that reminds me of the Amarr assault. I also don't think its fair to judge the assault class after the Minmatar assault suit.... Right...so instead of actually trying to disprove my point, you resort to baseless insults (what makes my setup ludicrous? How doesn't it help the "scouts are UP" crowd?) and change the subject. Very much like my friend's little brother. Whenever he can't think of any way to counter other people's arguments, he just goes "Well, ur dumb" and creates a distraction. So, are you going to provide proper arguments, or are you just going to insist that you're right based solely on the fact that you've made up your mind?
Protected Void Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 258	Posted - 2014.03.22 17:32:00 - [3] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Protected Void wrote: : Advanced level Scrambler rifle Toxin SMG blueprint Advanced level locus grenade Complex KinCat Complex range extender Complex Shield extender The cheapest uplink (stable?) You seriously want me to take you seriously after coming up with a fitting like that? I don't need to explain anything to you, if you fit your suits like that then we're on different planets in terms of whats a good competitive setup. Yes I could go on about how the fitting cost of both the weapon and Kin Cat is a waste on such a low end suit, I could go on about how the range extender gives you next to nothing, is it what? 5 or 10 , extra meters passive scan? How the mix off speed tanking doesn't fit with the use of the gun with the second longest range. Why use a range amp over a dampener? Its insane. With that gun I'd go for tanking or stealth, definately not passive scan and speed.... I could go on. In this case I'm not your little brother at a loss for words trying to derail the debate. You're the ittle kid who doesn't have a basic understanding of the game leading to the rest of us mostly "debating over your head". I mean, you don't even get the obvious part so any wonder I don't trust you to be the epiffany of wisdom in this area.... Note to self: Stop trying to argue with the plebs, they have a totally different point of refference. Good, that's more like it - some actual arguments. I'll ignore that you apparently still feel the need to throw out arrogant insults to feel good about yourself. Now for some more info and reasoning about my fitting: It's obviously not my only fitting - it's the one I use the most, though. KinCat on a scout is not a waste, it's a way to accentuate one of the scout's strengths. Since the bonus it provides is a percentage of an already decent sprint speed, it provides a lot of bang for the buck. The resulting sprint speed allows me to flank and/or escape very efficiently. The weapon is, of course, not an obvious choice for a PG starved suit. It is, however, a good choice for a playstyle that involves a lot of flanking and otherwise surprising people with high alpha damage. I get about 70% of my kills with charged shots, of which about half are headshots. Since it's very efficient against shields, it's also a good match for my SMG. Furthermore, when I skilled into it, the only other rifle available was the oh-so-boring AR. I like precision weapons as my main, so full auto was out of the question. The TAC was so obviously going to be nerfed, so...nah. My purely passive skill based scan range is currently 30 meters (161.51.25), if I don't recall wrongly. Just a tad past the first ring on the radar. Adding a complex range extender gives me another 25% increase, for a total of 37.5 meters. That takes it out from useful-at-times to useful-most-of-the-time. My scan precision is maxed out, which means I see everything up to and including undampened scouts and decently dampened med frames on my radar in a very useful radius - all the time. Good for flanking, stealth and evasion. Especially when I usually don't have the luxury of proto active scanners in my squad. I use a range amp over a dampener for the most part due to what I wrote in the previous point. My passive dampening allows me to avoid all scanners except proto, and any suit not stacked with multiple precision enhancers. Whenever you and your buddies or anyone else relying on proto scanners show up, I switch to a fitting with an enhanced dampener, allowing me to evade everything but the focused scanner. Ie: dampeners are useless to me most of the time. Range extender is always useful. I avoid direct confrontations when I can, flank a lot and rely a lot on medium range alpha damage. I can't think of any advanced gallente scout fittings that works better for that. I generally do well in this fitting, but it's because I've had a lot of practice running around in my gimp suit and have gotten to know it's weaknesses and strengths well. Not because it's a good suit.