DUST Search - A little late but can dedicated scouts please explain?

KingBabar wrote:

Korvin Lomont wrote:

Django Quik wrote:

Ignore the nonsense about brick scouts not being scouts - that's as bad as the saying logis that get high kill counts aren't logis.

Also, if you're actually managing to strafe dodge full-frontal, then I'm assuming you're using kb/m? Because I've never seen anyone using DS3 be able to strafe dodger face to face at all.

But that's exactly what this community expect logis just doing logi stuff, scout are just there to die, heavies should be stationary turrets.....

Regarding the OP.

1. any brick tanked suit can do in pubs (ok you don't even to brick tank). Most scouts don't think we need more hp because we wan't to SCOUT, not necessarily chasing the latest FOTM weapon and brick tank to be of any use.

What's the point of having different suits and roles if the only way to be of any use is stack armor and kill suff like assaults??

Right we could simply remove all but assault suits...what most (real) scouts want is to have a role apart from killing stuff because I can do this with other suits in a better way I don't need to use to lowest hp suit with a nimble speed advantage (that gets negated by armor plates) or a lower profile...

I want to actually play as scout sneaking behind enemy lines provide intel, and get rewarded for doing so. Unfortunately CCP forces us to be light slayers as this is the only way for scouts to get a reasonable amount of WP (independent from game modes)

And in that regard scouts gets simply outclassed.

And just because a good player can be good in that suit against weaker players doesn't change the underlying problem.

Well you sort of nailed it.

For winning a battle:
- Kill the enemy.
- Kill the enemy and take his point.
- Defend the point by killing the enemy.

I don't see the "scout" part of it, whats it supposed to be?

Gathering intelligence? I'd much rather take a sniper on top calling stuff out or indeed a post 1.8 Galente logi with dual scanners.
"Be sneaky"? to accomplish what? - Other than ninja hacking the enemy objectives making them strip their "frontline" to hold on to their more homely points, are there more things I can't think of? And in this role the scout far outshines any other suit, no one has the stelth/speed/stamina combo of the scouts.

The role of a "true scout" IMO would be to be a pest and plague to the other team. You'd normally stay between the enemy main spawn and the main area of fighting, if possible. Being sneaky you engage singe targets and get the drop on them before they can join the rest of their group making their main fotce comparably weaker than yours at the point of contestation. You shouldn't get any sort of WP just to be sneaky, but you do get WPs for all the sneaky kills you get and indeed al the sneaky hacks you pull off no?

Be it a logi, heavy, scout or Regnyums grandma, you're still all soldiers, the objective is to kill the enemy and gain map control due to dominating the other team and win the game. The scout is a slightly different take on how to achieve that goal compared to an Assault, you still have a gun, you can still hack and on top of it you can sneak around, going much faster and further than the other suits. I still don't get the massive amount of QQ the scouts have put on these forums for, well, its a whole year now isn't it?


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Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 788	Posted - 2014.03.21 09:45:00 - [1] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Ignore the nonsense about brick scouts not being scouts - that's as bad as the saying logis that get high kill counts aren't logis. Also, if you're actually managing to strafe dodge full-frontal, then I'm assuming you're using kb/m? Because I've never seen anyone using DS3 be able to strafe dodger face to face at all. But that's exactly what this community expect logis just doing logi stuff, scout are just there to die, heavies should be stationary turrets..... Regarding the OP. 1. any brick tanked suit can do in pubs (ok you don't even to brick tank). Most scouts don't think we need more hp because we wan't to SCOUT, not necessarily chasing the latest FOTM weapon and brick tank to be of any use. What's the point of having different suits and roles if the only way to be of any use is stack armor and kill suff like assaults?? Right we could simply remove all but assault suits...what most (real) scouts want is to have a role apart from killing stuff because I can do this with other suits in a better way I don't need to use to lowest hp suit with a nimble speed advantage (that gets negated by armor plates) or a lower profile... I want to actually play as scout sneaking behind enemy lines provide intel, and get rewarded for doing so. Unfortunately CCP forces us to be light slayers as this is the only way for scouts to get a reasonable amount of WP (independent from game modes) And in that regard scouts gets simply outclassed. And just because a good player can be good in that suit against weaker players doesn't change the underlying problem.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 790	Posted - 2014.03.21 10:24:00 - [2] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Django Quik wrote: Ignore the nonsense about brick scouts not being scouts - that's as bad as the saying logis that get high kill counts aren't logis. Also, if you're actually managing to strafe dodge full-frontal, then I'm assuming you're using kb/m? Because I've never seen anyone using DS3 be able to strafe dodger face to face at all. But that's exactly what this community expect logis just doing logi stuff, scout are just there to die, heavies should be stationary turrets..... Regarding the OP. 1. any brick tanked suit can do in pubs (ok you don't even to brick tank). Most scouts don't think we need more hp because we wan't to SCOUT, not necessarily chasing the latest FOTM weapon and brick tank to be of any use. What's the point of having different suits and roles if the only way to be of any use is stack armor and kill suff like assaults?? Right we could simply remove all but assault suits...what most (real) scouts want is to have a role apart from killing stuff because I can do this with other suits in a better way I don't need to use to lowest hp suit with a nimble speed advantage (that gets negated by armor plates) or a lower profile... I want to actually play as scout sneaking behind enemy lines provide intel, and get rewarded for doing so. Unfortunately CCP forces us to be light slayers as this is the only way for scouts to get a reasonable amount of WP (independent from game modes) And in that regard scouts gets simply outclassed. And just because a good player can be good in that suit against weaker players doesn't change the underlying problem. Well you sort of nailed it. For winning a battle: - Kill the enemy. - Kill the enemy and take his point. - Defend the point by killing the enemy. I don't see the "scout" part of it, whats it supposed to be? Gathering intelligence? I'd much rather take a sniper on top calling stuff out or indeed a post 1.8 Galente logi with dual scanners. "Be sneaky"? to accomplish what? - Other than ninja hacking the enemy objectives making them strip their "frontline" to hold on to their more homely points, are there more things I can't think of? And in this role the scout far outshines any other suit, no one has the stelth/speed/stamina combo of the scouts. The role of a "true scout" IMO would be to be a pest and plague to the other team. You'd normally stay between the enemy main spawn and the main area of fighting, if possible. Being sneaky you engage singe targets and get the drop on them before they can join the rest of their group making their main fotce comparably weaker than yours at the point of contestation. You shouldn't get any sort of WP just to be sneaky, but you do get WPs for all the sneaky kills you get and indeed al the sneaky hacks you pull off no? Be it a logi, heavy, scout or Regnyums grandma, you're still all soldiers, the objective is to kill the enemy and gain map control due to dominating the other team and win the game. The scout is a slightly different take on how to achieve that goal compared to an Assault, you still have a gun, you can still hack and on top of it you can sneak around, going much faster and further than the other suits. I still don't get the massive amount of QQ the scouts have put on these forums for, well, its a whole year now isn't it? I see your point, but gathering intel through scouts can be more useful than you think (if we could provide this). First we are fast and mobile compared to a sniper and we are still on the battle field we don't need to find a spot with good overview we can simply move were we need to be. The thing with hacking is true and not true sure we get to letters fast and stealthy but once we start hacking the game tells every body exactly where we hack (well at least regarding letters). To be honest a heavy with LAV can do this faster with the advantage of beeing able to defend the letter pretty well. Dust seems not to be build around different roles as killing seem always to be the "best" way, which is sad. Regarding the Soldier argument sure we are all mercs and killing may be part of the job, but even soldiers have different tasks and not all of them are around killing as much as possible. The problem most scouts had is that everything could be done better or at equal quality with m ore HP and versatility. This may change with 1.8.