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Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7562	Posted - 2014.03.22 03:50:00 - [151] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Dropped 39-10 with a Scout in PC. Scout Conclusion: Mobility, Dampening, and passive scans is a great substitute to a low HP based suit. Therefore, this myth that scouting is hardmode is just simply an excuse for bad players and their bad performances. Have you specced fully into being a Scout in this game? A lot of the mechanics thus far, are wonky and don't really work. Especially, on some of the weapons we use such as Shotguns and N.K.. And you want to know what's a crazy myth? Hearing people talk about making videos on how to strafe in DUST 514 as simply an excuse on bad performance to aiming. But what do we know we're just Scout's who are bad players and bad performers. The question shouldn't be whether one specced into it. The question should be if one has enough experience with it. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Aria Gomes R 0 N 1 N 315	Posted - 2014.03.22 04:16:00 - [152] - Quote Level 4 Damps get you under the adv scanner which most people use. Personally I'd never brick tank a Scout fit. [I'm a Minmatar so tank isn't even on my mind.] I run Adv Min Scout all the time. This is my recent fit that I've been using. I do alright with it depending on the enemy. I can even 1 shot heavies with my knives now!! M/1 Scout TT-3 Assault Scrambler Pistol Ishukone Nova Knives Basic Flux Grenades Basic Remotes 1 Complex Shield Extender 1 Adv Precision Enhancer 1 Enhanced Cardiac Regulator 1 Enhanced Kinetic Catalyzer I'm done great with this suit and I'm done **** with this fit haha. Yeah I'm squishy as f*ck but it's a bitchin fit. You should try it out sometime, if you're willing to try NK. Or try basic NK, basic Min Scout and basic Combat Rifle all together w Complex Shield Extender. Now that is a suit that is hard to use. But it'll help you get over the hump of being squishy and still murking.
jerrmy12 kahoalii 590	Posted - 2014.03.22 04:18:00 - [153] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Dropped 39-10 with a Scout in PC. Scout Conclusion: Mobility, Dampening, and passive scans is a great substitute to a low HP based suit. Therefore, this myth that scouting is hardmode is just simply an excuse for bad players and their bad performances. Have you specced fully into being a Scout in this game? A lot of the mechanics thus far, are wonky and don't really work. Especially, on some of the weapons we use such as Shotguns and N.K.. And you want to know what's a crazy myth? Hearing people talk about making videos on how to strafe in DUST 514 as simply an excuse on bad performance to aiming. But what do we know we're just Scout's who are bad players and bad performers. no he was probably using a boundless on a gallente scout---aka scoutly easy mode I use a std combat rifle because screw the snotgun and nova knife atm its too buggy Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout. Dark souls 2 new game plus.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2019	Posted - 2014.03.22 05:48:00 - [154] - Quote Report after day 3: - Still a very good suit. I have mostly run dual scrambler pistols, Creodron breach AR, Carthum assault scrambler rifle and some Boundless CR. I have changed my fitting to be 349 armor, 160 shields, I put on a proto dampener. - Best game was 33-1 with the CR, I redlined myself... - I had several games with around 20 kills and 2-3 deaths with both the pistols and the breach ar. - The pistols are probably the most fun way to play Dust IMO, I made a mental note of speccing into them later. - I had forgotten what long effective range the A scr has while still being good in cqc. - There is something magical happening, sometimes, when you combine a Creadron AR's hipfire with a scouts strafing. I was amazed after taking on several HMG fattys 1 vs 1 up front in CQC, it will be exciting to see after 1.8 The added stealth and speed more than makes up for reduced base stats and fitting IMO. On top of being versatile and capable in all I've tried it for so far, it comes with the added bonus of being much more fun to play. Edit: I just remembered: Worst game was a 21-9 skirm we lost, and a 6-3 ambush we won. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 293	Posted - 2014.03.22 11:30:00 - [155] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Report after day 3: - Still a very good suit. I have mostly run dual scrambler pistols, Creodron breach AR, Carthum assault scrambler rifle and some Boundless CR. I have changed my fitting to be 349 armor, 160 shields, I put on a proto dampener. - Best game was 33-1 with the CR, I redlined myself... - I had several games with around 20 kills and 2-3 deaths with both the pistols and the breach ar. - The pistols are probably the most fun way to play Dust IMO, I made a mental note of speccing into them later. - I had forgotten what long effective range the A scr has while still being good in cqc. - There is something magical happening, sometimes, when you combine a Creadron AR's hipfire with a scouts strafing. I was amazed after taking on several HMG fattys 1 vs 1 up front in CQC, it will be exciting to see after 1.8 The added stealth and speed more than makes up for reduced base stats and fitting IMO. On top of being versatile and capable in all I've tried it for so far, it comes with the added bonus of being much more fun to play. Edit: I just remembered: Worst game was a 21-9 skirm we lost, and a 6-3 ambush we won. Yes it is fun isn't it! Careful with speccing more into pistols - word on the street (e.g. the SDE data) is that the RoF is being nerfed, so DPS will be reduced by varying amounts depending on the base RoF of your chosen pistol. Have you noticed a difference in your effectiveness based on the maps? e.g. as Maken said, there is bugger all cover on Manus Peak, so you're more vulnerable. Glad you're having fun with it! :)
Tyjus Vacca Valor Coalition Red Whines. 206	Posted - 2014.03.22 11:38:00 - [156] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Gall scouts can be pretty good slayers. That's the same way I run my scouts babar. I do really well as well, even in PC. However I think most of he complaints with the scout suit stem from trying to use ewar and biotic module set up instead of hp set up like u and I use. I have indeed tried a pure ewar set up with only 1 rep and no tank other than a shield extender and it was pretty damn hard. I won't say "you're not a real scout" because if that's true, I'm not a real scout either. You're not a real scout. who is? Scouts gather Intel and deliver messages. Neither of which is very needed in Dust. Anyone can carry a scanner. The folk running NKs and REs are scouts. The ones dropping uplinks in good spots rather than rooftops, or the ones who have to pick & choose their fights. you missed my point. I think its funny how NKs are even considered a weapon. The ratio of knife kills to knives that get killed is tiny. They are a party favor and good for a laugh at best. Ouch you got me with those knives after 19tries. That makes a good scout? No wonder good scouts cry all day. I cant wait to make you eat those words >=D scout suit 300 > ehp : G£ö cal fw "terrible blueberries" : G£ö stacked red team : G£ö "still too easy - knives only"
Tyjus Vacca Valor Coalition Red Whines. 206	Posted - 2014.03.22 11:50:00 - [157] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Report after day 3: - Still a very good suit. I have mostly run dual scrambler pistols, Creodron breach AR, Carthum assault scrambler rifle and some Boundless CR. I have changed my fitting to be 349 armor, 160 shields, I put on a proto dampener. - Best game was 33-1 with the CR, I redlined myself... - I had several games with around 20 kills and 2-3 deaths with both the pistols and the breach ar. - The pistols are probably the most fun way to play Dust IMO, I made a mental note of speccing into them later. - I had forgotten what long effective range the A scr has while still being good in cqc. - There is something magical happening, sometimes, when you combine a Creadron AR's hipfire with a scouts strafing. I was amazed after taking on several HMG fattys 1 vs 1 up front in CQC, it will be exciting to see after 1.8 The added stealth and speed more than makes up for reduced base stats and fitting IMO. On top of being versatile and capable in all I've tried it for so far, it comes with the added bonus of being much more fun to play. Edit: I just remembered: Worst game was a 21-9 skirm we lost, and a 6-3 ambush we won. I've run std commando with adv flaylock and adv knives.......... didn't have a good suit, wasn't playing to any of its strengths, but had a good squad so was averaging like a 3 kdr for the matches we played, my point being just you were in a scout suit (even if it was proto) or any UP suit, if your a solid player and you have a solid squad (probally proto logi's or tanks) you can expect to do well.... TLDR: solid player + gimped suit + solid squad = solid gameplay ......... :D scout suit 300 > ehp : G£ö cal fw "terrible blueberries" : G£ö stacked red team : G£ö "still too easy - knives only"
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7571	Posted - 2014.03.22 11:51:00 - [158] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Report after day 3: - Still a very good suit. I have mostly run dual scrambler pistols, Creodron breach AR, Carthum assault scrambler rifle and some Boundless CR. I have changed my fitting to be 349 armor, 160 shields, I put on a proto dampener. - Best game was 33-1 with the CR, I redlined myself... - I had several games with around 20 kills and 2-3 deaths with both the pistols and the breach ar. - The pistols are probably the most fun way to play Dust IMO, I made a mental note of speccing into them later. - I had forgotten what long effective range the A scr has while still being good in cqc. - There is something magical happening, sometimes, when you combine a Creadron AR's hipfire with a scouts strafing. I was amazed after taking on several HMG fattys 1 vs 1 up front in CQC, it will be exciting to see after 1.8 The added stealth and speed more than makes up for reduced base stats and fitting IMO. On top of being versatile and capable in all I've tried it for so far, it comes with the added bonus of being much more fun to play. Edit: I just remembered: Worst game was a 21-9 skirm we lost, and a 6-3 ambush we won. It seems to me that it's less about the suit and more about your gun game. I'm willing to say that maybe you just so happen to be a natural born scout. If that's the case, where the ** were you this whole time? PS: Come join Scouts United chat channel. Would be nice to have you there. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor**
Sgt Buttscratch R 0 N 1 N 2077	Posted - 2014.03.22 13:22:00 - [159] - Quote Your running it as a medium.. but gaining some of the scout bonus'. Try playing it as a scout, shotgun someone 3 times in the spine, only to see their health is still full, run in to stop a hack and watch the null cannon's magic shield eat yur nova knife swing. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Varoth Drac The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 27	Posted - 2014.03.22 14:45:00 - [160] - Quote So I did as I said, I skilled into galente scout, stuck 3 enhanced plates and a repper on it and combat rifled people. Went 25-8. Not bad for me, though not amazing considering it was a proto suit against mostly std and adv. Was a close game though so they weren't noobs. Also I had loads of fitting space left since I don't have a proto rifle, repper or nanohive. I didnt feel like the strafing was great though, neither was the speed. Stealth, passive scan and stamina were good though. Ironically I found myself particularly vulnerable to shotgun min scouts. Obviously I need to play more games but I don't think the suit was any better than an assault, which could probably do the job more effectively. I think the real conclusions are that rifles, armor tanking and the assault role are op compared to more stealth and speed play. Not that scouts are fine. The proto gelente scout does make a great stealth assault suit though. As would a cal assault with a dampener and a cardiac regulator. I normally play minmatar scout with a shotgun, a play style that is more distinct from assault and is slightly underpowered. This is the reason for the scout buff, not because scouts can't be light assaults.

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7576	Posted - 2014.03.22 15:49:00 - [161] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: So I did as I said, I skilled into galente scout, stuck 3 enhanced plates and a repper on it and combat rifled people. Went 25-8. Not bad for me, though not amazing considering it was a proto suit against mostly std and adv. Was a close game though so they weren't noobs. Also I had loads of fitting space left since I don't have a proto rifle, repper or nanohive. I didnt feel like the strafing was great though, neither was the speed. Stealth, passive scan and stamina were good though. Ironically I found myself particularly vulnerable to shotgun min scouts. Obviously I need to play more games but I don't think the suit was any better than an assault, which could probably do the job more effectively. I think the real conclusions are that rifles, armor tanking and the assault role are op compared to more stealth and speed play. Not that scouts are fine. The proto gelente scout does make a great stealth assault suit though. As would a cal assault with a dampener and a cardiac regulator. I normally play minmatar scout with a shotgun, a play style that is more distinct from assault and is slightly underpowered. This is the reason for the scout buff, not because scouts can't be light assaults. That's a problem I forgot to point out. Scout suits have been completely marginalized by the medium size suits. There is barely anything left for the scout that a logi or assault can't do better at the moment. The only few things that a scout can do currently is just be stealthy but that's extremely difficult to do when you're put into an open map as notorious as Manus Peak and you're facing medium suits that can do most of what you're designed to do but better. 1.8 at the very least addresses that marginalization of the scout class. No more will the logis be able to outperform the scouts in the few things scouts are meant for. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2488	Posted - 2014.03.22 15:56:00 - [162] - Quote I see you're still using a proto suit - any reports from the advanced sides of things? Also, are any of those scores anything like what you get in your medium suits? How have you been measuring up against the rest of your squad? Tried running it solo or with a squad of randoms? Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Toby Flenderson research lab 374	Posted - 2014.03.22 16:03:00 - [163] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: becuase most scouts dont brick tank... So its like: Scout: Oh noes, I have so little HP, just glance at me and I'm dead! Anyone else: Why don't you put some more HP on that suit then? You have plenty of fitting space... Scout: No but then it wouldn't be a proper scout, please buff. You don't really need all of the hp if you play more carefully/strategically. The people who didn't brick tank the scout suits still seem to expect it to be on par with an assault or logi. I'm just generalizing what I've seen in threads or heard in conversations, but it really does seem like people just want a faster assault suit that gets bonus dampening. Anything less than that expectation is clearly UP to them. I agree with the OP, scout suits were fine. You just had to use them differently to be successful. Because people QQ all the time about them, we'll soon be invisible. I'm still a little surprised that this actually happened, but I'm mostly annoyed. Now everyone and their moms can use the scout suit effectively like a regular Crysis assault suit. Buff scouts + nerf scanners + increase TTK + cloaks = way too much for the scouts at one time = mistake.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7580	Posted - 2014.03.22 16:16:00 - [164] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: KingBabar wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: becuase most scouts dont brick tank... So its like: Scout: Oh noes, I have so little HP, just glance at me and I'm dead! Anyone else: Why don't you put some more HP on that suit then? You have plenty of fitting space... Scout: No but then it wouldn't be a proper scout, please buff. You don't really need all of the hp if you play more carefully/strategically. The people who didn't brick tank the scout suits still seem to expect it to be on par with an assault or logi. I'm just generalizing what I've seen in threads or heard in conversations, but it really does seem like people just want a faster assault suit that gets bonus dampening. Anything less than that expectation is clearly UP to them. I agree with the OP, scout suits were fine. You just had to use them differently to be successful. Because people QQ all the time about them, we'll soon be invisible. I'm still a little surprised that this actually happened, but I'm mostly annoyed. Now everyone and their moms can use the scout suit effectively like a regular Crysis assault suit. Buff scouts + nerf scanners + increase TTK + cloaks = way too much for the scouts at one time = mistake. I agree to an extent except for that last line in your post. Anyways, you're ignoring the points I made in this post plus the marginalization of the scouts abilities by certain medium suits. Scouts would be completely fine if those factors didn't exist. But they those factors do exist and thus the scout suit needs fixing in those areas. EDIT: At this point, this conversation will soon change once 1.8 hits in 3 days and the changes posted by CCP are already set in stone. We'll just have to see how it all goes from there. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2491	Posted - 2014.03.22 16:24:00 - [165] - Quote Anyone who thinks scouts have been complaining because they aren't able to kill is barking up the wrong tree. We've been complaining because the things that are supposed to be our strengths have been totally surpassed by cheap tactics like perma-spin-scanners and omniscient installations and magnetic-aiming and shot-stopping and weapon bugs and long range weapons being killer at all ranges and so many other things. And if you want to be a stealthy assault, you can always chuck on a couple of complex dampeners on an assault or logi and you're there - the speed advantage is negligible because of some of the things mentioned above and the hit-box difference is largely negated by aim-assist, though both still have an impact in the right hands. Most of all, player skill trumps ALL, so a top player will wipe the floor even running a mlt starter fit - does that mean no one else should ever need anything other than the mlt starter fits? Didn't think so. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4418	Posted - 2014.03.22 17:10:00 - [166] - Quote Here's the explanation: scouts aren't UP, just most people who try them are idiots. Also, never try to speed tank; that's ********. LoS tank instead- if you've never heard of it, it's Line-of-sight tanking: at close range, keep trying to get behind your target. At long range, when you're moving in, always move in a way that blocks your target's line of sight. Even if all you're throwing between you is a lightpost, it's still something to eat up a few bullets for you while you get closer. I am your scan error.
Protected Void Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 258	Posted - 2014.03.22 17:32:00 - [167] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Protected Void wrote: : Advanced level Scrambler rifle Toxin SMG blueprint Advanced level locus grenade Complex KinCat Complex range extender Complex Shield extender The cheapest uplink (stable?) You seriously want me to take you seriously after coming up with a fitting like that? I don't need to explain anything to you, if you fit your suits like that then we're on different planets in terms of whats a good competitive setup. Yes I could go on about how the fitting cost of both the weapon and Kin Cat is a waste on such a low end suit, I could go on about how the range extender gives you next to nothing, is it what? 5 or 10 , extra meters passive scan? How the mix off speed tanking doesn't fit with the use of the gun with the second longest range. Why use a range amp over a dampener? Its insane. With that gun I'd go for tanking or stealth, definately not passive scan and speed.... I could go on. In this case I'm not your little brother at a loss for words trying to derail the debate. You're the ittle kid who doesn't have a basic understanding of the game leading to the rest of us mostly "debating over your head". I mean, you don't even get the obvious part so any wonder I don't trust you to be the epiffany of wisdom in this area.... Note to self: Stop trying to argue with the plebs, they have a totally different point of refference. Good, that's more like it - some actual arguments. I'll ignore that you apparently still feel the need to throw out arrogant insults to feel good about yourself. Now for some more info and reasoning about my fitting: It's obviously not my only fitting - it's the one I use the most, though. KinCat on a scout is not a waste, it's a way to accentuate one of the scout's strengths. Since the bonus it provides is a percentage of an already decent sprint speed, it provides a lot of bang for the buck. The resulting sprint speed allows me to flank and/or escape very efficiently. The weapon is, of course, not an obvious choice for a PG starved suit. It is, however, a good choice for a playstyle that involves a lot of flanking and otherwise surprising people with high alpha damage. I get about 70% of my kills with charged shots, of which about half are headshots. Since it's very efficient against shields, it's also a good match for my SMG. Furthermore, when I skilled into it, the only other rifle available was the oh-so-boring AR. I like precision weapons as my main, so full auto was out of the question. The TAC was so obviously going to be nerfed, so...nah. My purely passive skill based scan range is currently 30 meters (161.51.25), if I don't recall wrongly. Just a tad past the first ring on the radar. Adding a complex range extender gives me another 25% increase, for a total of 37.5 meters. That takes it out from useful-at-times to useful-most-of-the-time. My scan precision is maxed out, which means I see everything up to and including undampened scouts and decently dampened med frames on my radar in a very useful radius - all the time. Good for flanking, stealth and evasion. Especially when I usually don't have the luxury of proto active scanners in my squad. I use a range amp over a dampener for the most part due to what I wrote in the previous point. My passive dampening allows me to avoid all scanners except proto, and any suit not stacked with multiple precision enhancers. Whenever you and your buddies or anyone else relying on proto scanners show up, I switch to a fitting with an enhanced dampener, allowing me to evade everything but the focused scanner. Ie: dampeners are useless to me most of the time. Range extender is always useful. I avoid direct confrontations when I can, flank a lot and rely a lot on medium range alpha damage. I can't think of any advanced gallente scout fittings that works better for that. I generally do well in this fitting, but it's because I've had a lot of practice running around in my gimp suit and have gotten to know it's weaknesses and strengths well. Not because it's a good suit.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3599	Posted - 2014.03.22 21:02:00 - [168] - Quote Everyone needs to STFU in this game there is no right or wrong way to run a suit and I have seen just about every frame size ***** about their suit. This is no special case deserving special attention nor is any other. STFU everyone, who cares who tanks what and whatever scores they got. Over half the players in the game are terrible at gun game and have terrible awareness. Addiction to scanners is what makes a scout suit so great right now. And once again the QQ from scouts happened long ago, before we got respective buffs a couple builds ago. To say you are late is an understatement. 68 inches above sea level...
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1533	Posted - 2014.03.22 21:07:00 - [169] - Quote I love killing scanners. You can guarantee they will have their back turned at some point.(360). I took a few pot shots at a guy and he whips out his scanner.moronic. He died looking the opposite direction. Who wants some?
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 998	Posted - 2014.03.22 21:35:00 - [170] - Quote Some funny arguments here, 4 pages got boring so I stopped I started Matari Scouting a couple of months back, with my biotics L5 CR5 KC3 The Scout was an easy choice over a speed tanked Logi/Assault And other than 1.6 AA Scout has performed well IMO 1.8 pretty much sets all scouts in a perfect position bar one issue CCP overlooked HP tanking limits on Dropsuits Even in my current Matari Scout 343 shields/ 300 Armour is an easy fit When IMO a scout should NOT be able to tank that well ...... Just as what the 'Slayer Assault/Logi's have done.. HP tanked It makes any thoughtful fitting invalid V HP tanks... lame Some rough numbers would be Lights 400 Mediums 750 Heavys 1400 Because having lighter suits tank defeats the purpose of having heavier suits ^ Just my own random opinion in the midst of this chaos 'D1CK by name' 'D1CK by nature'

Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven 646	Posted - 2014.03.22 21:46:00 - [171] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Here's the explanation: scouts aren't UP. Not in 1.7 they aren't The majority of QQ was 1.4-1.6 with no vehicles and AR514. It took a long time for people to adjust to the use of scanners (profile damps) from when tacnet was dropped. When grenade spam was at its worst, before armor penalties, ages ago. That's when CCP acknowledged the scout plight and balanced around those builds. 1.7 scouts are making a comeback. Pro-fit Prophet "Gimme yo lunch money"
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 951	Posted - 2014.03.22 22:06:00 - [172] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Like many others I decided to put the events 3 M SP into another suit to get a new experience knowing that the SPs will be refunded shortly. So I got the Galente scout and I've been running it for 2 days. I have various fits off course but lets focus on a more "assault fitted suit". So I get 160 shields 470 armor with a 6.25 passive rep, and an Allotek hive to get that armor back when I'm in a tight spot. Its fast, semi stealthy and wields proto weapons. Yes its obviously not a dual tanked logi fit with 1000 HP but it works very well, I've had many solid games with it, several with 30+ kills and 1-3 deaths. I also suppose the dampened speed tanked shotty fit I have is a great one with a little skillpoints invested in the shotty and a little time invested in playing that particular role. Even though the shields are only 160, they still come back extremely fast. I often take 500 points of damage, go to cover, toss down an allotek hive and I'm ready to go. I've also noticed that people hit me way less in this suit. I've gone up against several tanky protosuits front to front and won cause they simply can't track my strafeing. So I ask you, (mostly too) proud scouts of this community, Whats with all the QQ? I've seen thread after thread from scouts claiming their suits, indeed their entire role is UP. I've held my tongue cause I haven't had a scout suit properly specced yet. But after running it for 2 days I just can't see what the big deal is about. Take away the 2 damage mods and the HP and rep speed is almost identical to my Amarr assault. Yes 2 damage mods or 2 shield extenders is more but the Amarr assault would be a much worse suit if I tried to match the scout suits speed and stealth.... What exactly is or soon to be "was" the big deal about scout suits being UP? I don't get it..... You've made an assault suit out of a scout and concluded that nothing is wrong with being an assault - tanked suit with an automatic rifle. When you try to play as a scout with CQC weapons and stealth, you would see that it just does not work well. If you want to brick tank and run with an assault rifle you'll be much better off running a medium frame. So basically assault scout is worse that assault assault and scout scout is non-viable. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3227	Posted - 2014.03.22 22:09:00 - [173] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: becuase most scouts dont brick tank... So its like: Scout: Oh noes, I have so little HP, just glance at me and I'm dead! Anyone else: Why don't you put some more HP on that suit then? You have plenty of fitting space... Scout: No but then it wouldn't be a proper scout, please buff. The min scout you'll find much harder to fit ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott Level 3 Forum Warrior
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2493	Posted - 2014.03.22 23:01:00 - [174] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Here's the explanation: scouts aren't UP, just most people who try them are idiots. Also, never try to speed tank; that's ********. LoS tank instead- if you've never heard of it, it's Line-of-sight tanking: at close range, keep trying to get behind your target. At long range, when you're moving in, always move in a way that blocks your target's line of sight. Even if all you're throwing between you is a lightpost, it's still something to eat up a few bullets for you while you get closer. You can LoS tank in any suit, even a heavy frame. If you want to be stealthy, stick on s couple of dampeners and you're as good as a scout, except for the fact that if someone just happens to turn around and catch you, you're not going to get killed before you can press the trigger. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4425	Posted - 2014.03.22 23:13:00 - [175] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Here's the explanation: scouts aren't UP, just most people who try them are idiots. Also, never try to speed tank; that's ********. LoS tank instead- if you've never heard of it, it's Line-of-sight tanking: at close range, keep trying to get behind your target. At long range, when you're moving in, always move in a way that blocks your target's line of sight. Even if all you're throwing between you is a lightpost, it's still something to eat up a few bullets for you while you get closer. You can LoS tank in any suit, even a heavy frame. If you want to be stealthy, stick on s couple of dampeners and you're as good as a scout, except for the fact that if someone just happens to turn around and catch you, you're not going to get killed before you can press the trigger. Scouts have a smaller hitbox, and can move to cover faster; this makes them a better LoS tank than anything else. Also scouts have a naturally low profile, so they don't need to waste a bunch of low slots just to avoid a standard scanner. I am your scan error.
Yeeeuuuupppp 178	Posted - 2014.03.24 11:22:00 - [176] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: becuase most scouts dont brick tank... So its like: Scout: Oh noes, I have so little HP, just glance at me and I'm dead! Anyone else: Why don't you put some more HP on that suit then? You have plenty of fitting space... Scout: No but then it wouldn't be a proper scout, please buff. Since I have minmatar scout I shield tank and put as many complex shield extenders as I can, while making sure I fit in the right weapons I prefer not to put any armor modules on my scout suit cause it takes the room I use for speed unless it's more of an assault fit.. The real issues for scouts are rail rifles and aim assist.. Rail rifles will catch you while you're sneaking around and just melt you and since mostly everyone uses aim assist they can make sure their shots land on you and poof dead CCP Saberwing: " War elephants for 1.9" I really want the templar set Feel the wrath of my troll
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7610	Posted - 2014.03.24 11:39:00 - [177] - Quote Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: KingBabar wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: becuase most scouts dont brick tank... So its like: Scout: Oh noes, I have so little HP, just glance at me and I'm dead! Anyone else: Why don't you put some more HP on that suit then? You have plenty of fitting space... Scout: No but then it wouldn't be a proper scout, please buff. Since I have minmatar scout I shield tank and put as many complex shield extenders as I can, while making sure I fit in the right weapons I prefer not to put any armor modules on my scout suit cause it takes the room I use for speed unless it's more of an assault fit.. The real issues for scouts are rail rifles and aim assist.. Rail rifles will catch you while you're sneaking around and just melt you and since mostly everyone uses aim assist they can make sure their shots land on you and poof dead I admit, I died peaking a corner one time to a rail rifle. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor


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