yeah ^_^ obviously they would need nerfing in other areas though. most people scout so that they can speed hack, so if they get there twice as fast the hacking timer should be slowed down or maybe even removed :P

Tiericide, done.

I got this image in my head of a scout sprinting like that but inside his helmet he's screaming and his legs are all snapped and broken but the the suit carries him on hahahahqha

Curious. I was under the impression that scouts QQ mostly was about them being way too easy to kill, and by extension wasn't a relevant class.

Anyways, I do see the "all other classes can do it better" arguent, and I reject it. So many here take it for solid fact that the logi suits are better at assaulting than the assault suits are, but I'm very convinced of the fact that both my Ammar assault and my Caldari assault is far more deadly than my sluggish caldari logi is.

In the same way I do believe that when trying to run and flank in a stealthy setup trying to literrally backstab, or do it with a shotgun, the scout suit is the best suit for it. No other suit can match the move/stamina/stealth combo which is vital for that sort of play. In a way, the two best closeup weapons, nova knife and shotty is kind of reserved for the class, by tradition at least.

I'm off for a short nap and come back to all of this.

- To the dude with the vid challenge: I'll do a solo play with med suit and a pair of basic pistols, I don't have any nova skills and I don't think using a bran new and very different weapon is a good test of a suits capabilities anyway.

- I started at launch with a proto caldari logi and a maxed out AR and halfways maxed out core skills. For me to use it and make any sort of viable oppinion about it I have to use a proto suit. I can't simply run a dragonfly and compare it to my 900 HP PC Callogi fit....lets be real here.

- All you babies claiming I should use the suit this or that way, you're all morons. I tested various setups, I used one very much which had a proto scanner, a dampener and about 300 armor. Great fun with the added challenge of running out of ammo and relying on my basic scrambler, I got 6 kills one time before running out of that ammo too, mellee didn't go so well......

- I've had tons of fun on a lighter (2 basic plates) version wich can fit a freedom mass driver and proto flux nades while being dampened. Yes very situational but I had some very amusing moments sneaking up on groups of triage-hive camping slowsies.

- I used the "assault setup" just to illustrate that you can get 630 HP and a Godly Allotek hive on it, even with a proto weapon. It was a way for me to test the suit in the role its NOT supposed to be good at, straight up attack, assaulting is a word that comes to mind. I'm no great snaky ninja with Master RE tossing skills, I'm merely a grunt who drags along some equipment while I try and smite all the reds on my way to the objective. I can only imagine how good a scout suit works with those deadly knives or 1-2 shot for a kill shottys, in a more stealthy, much faster "classic scout" sort of way.

- And the winner goes to however said something about me standing around in the outskirts with long range weapons. LOL

Babar: To sum it up, unless you have tried at least three at a time of the following - for at least 100 matches - your argument is simply not valid:

• Run in an advanced level scout suit
• Run solo or in a squad with a maximum of two other players, of which only one runs mostly proto gear
• Run a scout suit prior to Uprising 1.7 (it was harder before)
• Face a squad of proto players using proto scanners (any proto scanner, not just the focused)
• Run a scout suit without having your core skills maxed out

I have all my relevant fitting skills maxed out, here's what I can fit on my advanced level Gallente scout:

• Advanced level Scrambler rifle
• Toxin SMG blueprint
• Advanced level locus grenade
• Complex KinCat
• Complex range extender
• Complex Shield extender
• The cheapest uplink (stable?)

That's right, not enough CPU/PG to even put anything in my second high slot. Or, I can replace the uplink with the cheapest nanohive and bathe in the luxury of a basic shield extender extra. Hoorah!

And no, running proto is not economically viable in most matches. I have proto fittings that I tend to do better in than in my advanced fittings, but that's kind of null and void when two deaths equal a net loss of 150000 ISK or so - even if I top the leaderboard and my team wins the match.

I find the artificial opposition that is created by identifying with a specific role is a bit counterproductive to the discussion, but I can identify with the frustration about one suit being UP. If the game forces you to specialize, it better balances things out nicely.

I for my part, use the scout to run to the objective, drop an uplink, hack maybe, make 1-2 kills and die (basic scout suit for minimal ISK loss). Then I go in with something else, dependant on the situation. I dont think it is very UP, but I think the scout is the hardest class to find a viable playstyle for. With viable I mean, you can run the suit in different fittings all the match and still contribute, whereas the assault is pretty straightforward.

If there would be some sort of tutorial for "how to scout efficiently" with special regards to different fittings, there may be less misinterpretations what the suit is for and trough that less frustrations with it being not appropriate for the desires of specific players.

Although one of the merits of dust is the freedom to try out something else entirely. Even if UP or, in the end, useless. So making a suit that can only function for one playstyle and one playstyle only, is a bit strange, making this freedom useless too. There seems to be a fine line here, between intended class / role / fitting and freedom of choice. If there is only one really effective playstyle (slaying, as Babar implies), this choice would be a farce. I dont think CCP had this in mind when creating this game, with its various tools and assets, and giving players all these choices. So the definitive answer, imo, should be: Balance it and balance it damn well!

Run PC and wait til someone you killed decides to be a **** and run permascans with the focused then all your advantages disappear lol. Thats really what I've found to be the worst thing for me in any match, especially PC.

I never thought the scout suit was bad, just needed a few adjustments like its getting in 1.8 so I'm thrilled with that.

Gall scouts can be pretty good slayers. That's the same way I run my scouts babar. I do really well as well, even in PC.

However I think most of he complaints with the scout suit stem from trying to use ewar and biotic module set up instead of hp set up like u and I use.

I have indeed tried a pure ewar set up with only 1 rep and no tank other than a shield extender and it was pretty damn hard.

I won't say "you're not a real scout" because if that's true, I'm not a real scout either.

Tiericide, done.

Then get one up on their butthurt arse, brick tank the scout with re's and an ar, start playing like an assault so they end up putting it away, then switch back to ewar fit and carry on.

You're not a real scout.

Thats probably the most ludacris setup I've ever seen. Seriously, if we had a sarcastic "This is the setup I actually use" competition, you'd probably win. WOW just WOW.

You're not exactly helping the "scouts are UP" crowd here.


On a related note. I do think the minmatar scout looks very weak on paper for doing anything but being a ninja nova knifer and soon also ninja hacker. Its a specialist suit that reminds me of the Amarr assault. I also don't think its fair to judge the assault class after the Minmatar assault suit....

who is? Scouts gather Intel and deliver messages. Neither of which is very needed in Dust. Anyone can carry a scanner.