DUST Search - A little late but can dedicated scouts please explain?

KingBabar wrote:

Like many others I decided to put the events 3 M SP into another suit to get a new experience knowing that the SPs will be refunded shortly. So I got the Galente scout and I've been running it for 2 days.

I have various fits off course but lets focus on a more "assault fitted suit".
So I get 160 shields 470 armor with a 6.25 passive rep, and an Allotek hive to get that armor back when I'm in a tight spot. Its fast, semi stealthy and wields proto weapons.

Yes its obviously not a dual tanked logi fit with 1000 HP but it works very well, I've had many solid games with it, several with 30+ kills and 1-3 deaths. I also suppose the dampened speed tanked shotty fit I have is a great one with a little skillpoints invested in the shotty and a little time invested in playing that particular role.

Even though the shields are only 160, they still come back extremely fast. I often take 500 points of damage, go to cover, toss down an allotek hive and I'm ready to go. I've also noticed that people hit me way less in this suit. I've gone up against several tanky protosuits front to front and won cause they simply can't track my strafeing.

So I ask you, (mostly too) proud scouts of this community, Whats with all the QQ?

I've seen thread after thread from scouts claiming their suits, indeed their entire role is UP. I've held my tongue cause I haven't had a scout suit properly specced yet. But after running it for 2 days I just can't see what the big deal is about. Take away the 2 damage mods and the HP and rep speed is almost identical to my Amarr assault. Yes 2 damage mods or 2 shield extenders is more but the Amarr assault would be a much worse suit if I tried to match the scout suits speed and stealth....

What exactly is or soon to be "was" the big deal about scout suits being UP? I don't get it.....

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Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 835	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:05:00 - [31] - Quote You already seemed to have loads of SP so the transition to scout would be much easier. Allotek hives, really? You went straight for Proto, using proto equipment with proto mods and weapons. Most of us had to slowly work up scouts, the scout is great at Pro but scales poorly. You played a pub match. Again the Proto is a huge advantage when most players are using Adv or lower. You really see the disadvantages in PC matches. You are most likely using a rifle, probably combat rifle. Rifles are so OP they can make any suit amazing. Try shotguns or nova knives...much different story. If you're using a rifle there is almost no need to run a scout, logi and assault does so much better. Hard to strafe AA from rifles.
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 810	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:07:00 - [32] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Like many others I decided to put the events 3 M SP into another suit to get a new experience knowing that the SPs will be refunded shortly. So I got the Galente scout and I've been running it for 2 days. I have various fits off course but lets focus on a more "assault fitted suit". So I get 160 shields 470 armor with a 6.25 passive rep, and an Allotek hive to get that armor back when I'm in a tight spot. Its fast, semi stealthy and wields proto weapons. Yes its obviously not a dual tanked logi fit with 1000 HP but it works very well, I've had many solid games with it, several with 30+ kills and 1-3 deaths. I also suppose the dampened speed tanked shotty fit I have is a great one with a little skillpoints invested in the shotty and a little time invested in playing that particular role. Even though the shields are only 160, they still come back extremely fast. I often take 500 points of damage, go to cover, toss down an allotek hive and I'm ready to go. I've also noticed that people hit me way less in this suit. I've gone up against several tanky protosuits front to front and won cause they simply can't track my strafeing. So I ask you, (mostly too) proud scouts of this community, Whats with all the QQ? I've seen thread after thread from scouts claiming their suits, indeed their entire role is UP. I've held my tongue cause I haven't had a scout suit properly specced yet. But after running it for 2 days I just can't see what the big deal is about. Take away the 2 damage mods and the HP and rep speed is almost identical to my Amarr assault. Yes 2 damage mods or 2 shield extenders is more but the Amarr assault would be a much worse suit if I tried to match the scout suits speed and stealth.... What exactly is or soon to be "was" the big deal about scout suits being UP? I don't get it..... Late to the party, but here's another 2c. In my experience, it isn't that well fitted proto scouts with supporting core skills and gun game are UP. Full proto scouts can be very competitive and have a number of advantages over medium and heavy suits, regardless of how you fit them. At the basic and advanced tiers, scouts suffer. More so if you don't have the core skills to support them. They're hard to fit, easy to kill, and the scout specific advantages are minimized. If you really want to give it a try and see what it's like, instead of being a tourist looking down from a passing proto train, try an alt without all the core skills. Or even just limited to the advanced level. The difference is substantial. Knowledge is power
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 230	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:11:00 - [33] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: becuase most scouts dont brick tank... So its like: Scout: Oh noes, I have so little HP, just glance at me and I'm dead! Anyone else: Why don't you put some more HP on that suit then? You have plenty of fitting space... Scout: No but then it wouldn't be a proper scout, please buff. We never said that thats the people that are used to assault your not supposed to be seen in the first place. Were stealthy not quick and unscanable not slower brick tankers. Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 230	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:14:00 - [34] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Most scouts don't run with an allotek nanohive Most gallente scouts don't run with more than 300ish armor Scouts are meant for being fast, being sneaky, and E-war. Most scouts complain because they get killed way too quickly...mostly because high alpha weapons don't let them retaliate, and scanners can detect them sneaking up on players. You can brick tank anything and do decent with it, especially if you have good weapons. If a scout can't scout because of broken weapons and mechanics, what's the point of the advantages it has? This is why 1.8 will be the update scouts have been wanting forever. What he said ^ Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 215	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:16:00 - [35] - Quote yeah so your flyby scout is just a brick tanked assault i'm sure you just played the outside and got kills with your proto long range weapon do you even hack bro? did you rush the objective like a real scout would? did you run links to get your team in a better position? did you run stealth mods or scan mods like most scouts do? you didn't did you instead you bricked tanked and slapped a selfish piece of equipment on your scout why don't you run that scout with 87 shields and 162 armor and report back Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1795	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:22:00 - [36] - Quote i'm sorry in advance if i sound harsh or condescending. we say scouts are UP, because of a few things. 1.) it's a fact. they have some of the least CPU in the game, ESPECIALLY the minmatar scout. 2.) most scouts don't brick tank their suits. from what it looks like, that's exactly what you're doing. that's not being a scout. that's just being an assault who's decided to abuse another suit. that alone makes me want to stop typing, as that is the one thing that disgusts me more than other thing in this game. people who abuse the scout by brick tanking it, then claiming it's fine just because it can brick tank. please don't abuse a suit, then come on the forums saying it's fine just because it can build alot of ehp. not everyone wants to brick tank, and not everyone should have to. Anime > EVERYTHING
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 215	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:31:00 - [37] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: i'm sorry in advance if i sound harsh or condescending. we say scouts are UP, because of a few things. 1.) it's a fact. they have some of the least CPU in the game, ESPECIALLY the minmatar scout. 2.) most scouts don't brick tank their suits. from what it looks like, that's exactly what you're doing. that's not being a scout. that's just being an assault who's decided to abuse another suit. that alone makes me want to stop typing, as that is the one thing that disgusts me more than other thing in this game. people who abuse the scout by brick tanking it, then claiming it's fine just because it can brick tank. please don't abuse a suit, then come on the forums saying it's fine just because it can build alot of ehp. not everyone wants to brick tank, and not everyone should have to. I brick my PC battle scout and I dont think brick tanking is a bad thing for certain situations but what the OP needs to realize is you dont get to brick tank at low level scout you dont get the stealth, stamina, speed, passive scans at low level i'm sure babar has over 40 mill SP and all passives maxed he didint take the good with the bad in this suit he got his bonus SP went straight to proto and buffed it in a way most dont and then came on the trollums and said it a wonderful suit Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Echo 1991 WarRavens League of Infamy 134	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:48:00 - [38] - Quote Scouts arent meant to be brick tanked. they are supposed to be the 'im gonna sneak behind you and ** your ** up' suit. and as others have mentioned, at lower levels you can get more than around an extra 2-300hp on it. it did need some love.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 4835	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:04:00 - [39] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: becuase most scouts dont brick tank... So its like: Scout: Oh noes, I have so little HP, just glance at me and I'm dead! Anyone else: Why don't you put some more HP on that suit then? You have plenty of fitting space... Scout: No but then it wouldn't be a proper scout, please buff. This is the problem with Dust. There is no fitting metagame. There is only brick-tanking. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1711	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:05:00 - [40] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Most scouts complain because they get killed way too quickly...mostly because high alpha weapons don't let them retaliate ... ^ Slight Correction: Most scouts complain because they get killed way too quickly ... after getting the drop on a target from behind.

Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2468	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:12:00 - [41] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: KingBabar wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: becuase most scouts dont brick tank... So its like: Scout: Oh noes, I have so little HP, just glance at me and I'm dead! Anyone else: Why don't you put some more HP on that suit then? You have plenty of fitting space... Scout: No but then it wouldn't be a proper scout, please buff. This is the problem with Dust. There is no fitting metagame. There is only brick-tanking. Maybe this will change with lower TTK in 1.8. Perhaps rep tanking will actually be viable... perhaps and maybe... But I shall reiterate one more time for everyone - stop douching on brick tank scouts; if it's possible, it's a perfectly acceptable suit as any other combination in the game is. For Babar, just try brick tanking anything other than the proto gallente scout and you'll quickly see our issues. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5169	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:14:00 - [42] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: Most scouts complain because they get killed way too quickly...mostly because high alpha weapons don't let them retaliate ... ^ Slight Correction: Most scouts complain because they get killed way too quickly ... after getting the drop on a target from behind. Honestly yeah, the turn speed between classes was flattened and it took away part of the scouts key advantages: mobility. Oh and that ***** rail rifle at close range, ** that gun. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1804	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:14:00 - [43] - Quote No fitting metagame? Meh, you obviously dont get it :D Drop it like its hat.
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven 617	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:17:00 - [44] - Quote KingBabar wrote: STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: Run PC and wait til someone you killed decides to be a **** and run permascans with the focused then all your advantages disappear lol. Thats really what I've found to be the worst thing for me in any match, especially PC. Currently tha scanner takes 5 seconds to use, ample time to kill the user, and it will only show you on the map for 5 seconds, then the scanner has a 25 second cooldown. For this to be effective the other team needs 4-6 of these in action spread among 2-4 players. 3 reasons why you feel this way -you are a solid player, could probably do well in any suit -lolpubs over 3days is hardly enough time to experience a scout suit - brick tanked with triage Pro-fit Prophet "Gimme yo lunch money"
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 4838	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:18:00 - [45] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: No fitting metagame? Meh, you obviously dont get it :D How don't I get it, pray tell? I've watched unique fits with radically different capabilites all die out completely in favor of filling every last slot with plates and extenders, because that's the ONLY way to survive any length of time in a fight. When the game requires you to strip your fit of any and all utility modules and stack HP just to be able to play, something is wrong. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 29	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:23:00 - [46] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Be it a logi, heavy, scout or Regnyums grandma, you're still all soldiers, the objective is to kill the enemy and gain map control due to dominating the other team and win the game. The scout is a slightly different take on how to achieve that goal compared to an Assault, you still have a gun, you can still hack and on top of it you can sneak around, going much faster and further than the other suits. I still don't get the massive amount of QQ the scouts have put on these forums for, well, its a whole year now isn't it? Your mindset is that of a true powergamer. I dont mean this to offend you, its a totally legitimate place to be, but you focus upon winning before everything else. You are creative only as long as it is necessary to solve the problem: how do I win most reliably in any given scenario, and then run with what you found most capable of doing that. You only change if the circumstances change. And thats totally okay. But I think there is another way of playing. It is more a style of constant experiment. Even if what you do is already the most efficient way of doing it. It is the notion that not the winning itself is rewarding. Instead the reward is winning (or just playing) in unexpected ways, that constantly change. Or even more distant to the power gaming mindset: Fluff playing. Playing the role you think is cool, not that is most efficiently solving the mechanical problem of winning as reliably as you can. Here the reward is fulfilling the role you see most fitting from a lore standpoint, and simply go by taste or what you find looks cool. I guess this is a clash of paradigms, that will always continue. But I think everyone should be able to play in any sort of way he deems appropriate and fun. So I would balance things this way. Why have any Suit variety at all? No pure logical reason to be found there.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1804	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:26:00 - [47] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: becuase most scouts dont brick tank... So its like: Scout: Oh noes, I have so little HP, just glance at me and I'm dead! Anyone else: Why don't you put some more HP on that suit then? You have plenty of fitting space... Scout: No but then it wouldn't be a proper scout, please buff. I LOL'd. Drop it like its hat.
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2874	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:29:00 - [48] - Quote Its not up, I run a minja that dies if it jumps off a ledge. People are just nubs. The cloak will make the game stupid very quickly, just like every update we have had yet, it will become fotm and anyone who has been around since beta that thinks otherwise would have to be an idiot, I'm sorry. Every fking update. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I'll behave
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 4841	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:32:00 - [49] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Its not up, I run a minja that dies if it jumps off a ledge. People are just nubs. The cloak will make the game stupid very quickly, just like every update we have had yet, it will become fotm and anyone who has been around since beta that thinks otherwise would have to be an idiot, I'm sorry. Every fking update. Given you can still scan people even while they're cloaked, and that you can even set up a Caldari Scout to be able to PASSIVE scan people while cloaked even if they're also using Profile Damps, I think you need to drop the bittervet BS and HTFU, son. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 436	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:33:00 - [50] - Quote Picks up toughest scout and brick tanks it week before its huge buff yet never played anything other than proto scout and missed being a scout during: The tac AR LAZER rifles The fish bowl Sniper distance AR Chrome heavies The AR again The stamina nerf The huge hotbox speed lag Strafe changes Movement speed of turning being equal to heavy Minmatar scout Minmatar scout during armor buff The mass driver fiasco Faylock nightmare month The AR Heavies with AR the combat rifle Rail rifle Heavies with combat rifles an rail rifles Core nades from every direction Drop ships Tanks Thale snipers Nyan San Pc Assaults with 700 HP scouts everywhere untill real scouts get them NERFED just to shut you up and make you cry for your 3 mill sp AND IT WILL HAPPEN LOL! You think your badass bud? Put on a adv minmatar scout and fit all that proto on it, better yet here's your new fit mister badass Adv min scout Complex shield Basic shield Basic combat rifle Ish nova knives Compact hive Enh red Complex green Go 35/5 with at least 15 knife kills and film the whole match and all contents of the fit everytime you spawn and I ll give you 20 mill mister big shot! That fit, 15 knife kills, under 5 deaths and 20 cr kills, and if you wanna double that 40 mill and just a pistol an knives, welcome to scoutville, tourist! You got till patch to post the whole video wit no edits. Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!

Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1713	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:34:00 - [51] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: ... and that you can even set up a Caldari Scout to be able to PASSIVE scan people while cloaked even if they're also using Profile Damps ... I wish!
Varoth Drac The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 25	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:35:00 - [52] - Quote I can see the OP's point of view but there are a few reasons why I believe he's incorrect. As you have stated you are using a more assault-scout style. There is nothing wrong with that. However, firstly it shouldn't be the only way to play as a scout, and secondly there are a couple of issues that need considering about assault scouts. Firstly - strafing Aim assist has been toned down recently making it more possible for scouts to avoid damage than it used to be. So the situation is a bit better for scouts now than in the past and this is one reason there is less scout QQ. More importantly, scout's strafe advantage is amplified by players that are particularly good at strafing. I'd wager you are one of those players, which is great but a more average player such as myself will struggle much more with an assault scout than you simply because I don't have excellent strafing skills, leading you to believe the suit is balanced when it isn't. Secondly - basic plates/brick tanking. I believe basic plates are too easy to fit and have too little speed penalty. This means that there is almost no point fitting anything else in your low slots. Everyone should just be a moderately brick tanked assault suit with a rep hive. You can use a scout suit if you like and you will do well trading some hp for strafe speed and scanner avoidance. Trouble is this is boring, people want to play with different styles using different low slots. Scout should be an excellent suit for facilitating use of play styles other than assault. I agree that killing is the primary goal of most players but it's the way that is achieved I am talking about. For example, instead of your very successful scout-assault build someone might want to fit biotics and dampeners, flank round behind the enemy, shotgun them in the back and then escape before retaliation. These kinds of alternative play-styles that scouts should be good at are underpowered. So in summary: - It would be nice if the suit rewarded brains as well as just great controller skill that isn't available to the majority of players. - Play-styles/fitting other than brick-assault-assaults/logis/scouts should be viable. Additional note on sp cost: This issue of being skill intensive is to do with scanning and being scanned. Not such a problem if you are an assault-scout, but if you want to play the stealth game as many do, you need a high amount of sp to remain hidden from scanners and be able to detect others. 1.8 is addressing these issues. What 1.8 is not helping is the high sp cost of biotics, shields (you need complex) and cloaks (you need scout level 4/5), but well, you can't have everything I guess.
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2874	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:35:00 - [53] - Quote Dust in a nutshell. Massive customisation! Play how you want, your way, BUT get owned for doing so. Its also an mmofps! But we nerf your sht in favour of scrubs who will just quit anyway, and we're laser focussed on this biach, hell yea!. Dust 514, winning like Charlie sheen, all day. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I'll behave
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2874	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:36:00 - [54] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Its not up, I run a minja that dies if it jumps off a ledge. People are just nubs. The cloak will make the game stupid very quickly, just like every update we have had yet, it will become fotm and anyone who has been around since beta that thinks otherwise would have to be an idiot, I'm sorry. Every fking update. Given you can still scan people even while they're cloaked, and that you can even set up a Caldari Scout to be able to PASSIVE scan people while cloaked even if they're also using Profile Damps, I think you need to drop the bittervet BS and HTFU, son. I think you should simply just stfu boy. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I'll behave
jhon hartigan Maphia Clan Corporation 244	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:45:00 - [55] - Quote Hey KingBabar, I ve only Read the OP and not all the answers. You know that I respect you as player and as person. (I hope you remember who I really am :)) I think the answer to your question is that you were, I believe, playing in Public. You re a good player playing against newbies and you are also using a proto suit. For the most part it is your own skills at shooting that is killing, not your suit. You should try it in a PC or against good players to really test if it is or not UP. Cya.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 4841	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:47:00 - [56] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: ... and that you can even set up a Caldari Scout to be able to PASSIVE scan people while cloaked even if they're also using Profile Damps ... I wish! Have you tried it? 2x Complex Precision Enhancers, Complex Range Amplifier. You'll see cloaked Scouts out to 57 meters. The Cloak doesn't make you invisible to scans. It only drops your Scan Profile by 25%. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2874	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:48:00 - [57] - Quote STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: Run PC and wait til someone you killed decides to be a **** and run permascans with the focused then all your advantages disappear lol. Thats really what I've found to be the worst thing for me in any match, especially PC. I never thought the scout suit was bad, just needed a few adjustments like its getting in 1.8 so I'm thrilled with that. Then get one up on their butthurt arse, brick tank the scout with re's and an ar, start playing like an assault so they end up putting it away, then switch back to ewar fit and carry on. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I'll behave
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 4844	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:50:00 - [58] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: Run PC and wait til someone you killed decides to be a **** and run permascans with the focused then all your advantages disappear lol. Thats really what I've found to be the worst thing for me in any match, especially PC. I never thought the scout suit was bad, just needed a few adjustments like its getting in 1.8 so I'm thrilled with that. Then get one up on their butthurt arse, brick tank the scout with re's and an ar, start playing like an assault so they end up putting it away, then switch back to ewar fit and carry on. That's assuming they would ever not run the scanner. This is PC we're talking about, man. If you pull out a single dampened Scout, the person FCing the fight is going to call for at least one guy to run as high-tier a scanner as possible for the rest of the match. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Protected Void Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 249	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:59:00 - [59] - Quote Babar: To sum it up, unless you have tried at least three at a time of the following - for at least 100 matches - your argument is simply not valid: Run in an advanced level scout suit Run solo or in a squad with a maximum of two other players, of which only one runs mostly proto gear Run a scout suit prior to Uprising 1.7 (it was harder before) Face a squad of proto players using proto scanners (any proto scanner, not just the focused) Run a scout suit without having your core skills maxed out I have all my relevant fitting skills maxed out, here's what I can fit on my advanced level Gallente scout: Advanced level Scrambler rifle Toxin SMG blueprint Advanced level locus grenade Complex KinCat Complex range extender Complex Shield extender The cheapest uplink (stable?) That's right, not enough CPU/PG to even put anything in my second high slot. Or, I can replace the uplink with the cheapest nanohive and bathe in the luxury of a basic shield extender extra. Hoorah! And no, running proto is not economically viable in most matches. I have proto fittings that I tend to do better in than in my advanced fittings, but that's kind of null and void when two deaths equal a net loss of 150000 ISK or so - even if I top the leaderboard and my team wins the match.
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2874	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:00:00 - [60] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: Run PC and wait til someone you killed decides to be a **** and run permascans with the focused then all your advantages disappear lol. Thats really what I've found to be the worst thing for me in any match, especially PC. I never thought the scout suit was bad, just needed a few adjustments like its getting in 1.8 so I'm thrilled with that. Then get one up on their butthurt arse, brick tank the scout with re's and an ar, start playing like an assault so they end up putting it away, then switch back to ewar fit and carry on. That's assuming they would ever not run the scanner. This is PC we're talking about, man. If you pull out a single dampened Scout, the person FCing the fight is going to call for at least one guy to run as high-tier a scanner as possible for the rest of the match. It all depends. I'm hiding your posts because you are actually behaving like my little sister when she was 16 trying to be all picky, its really sad lol. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I'll behave



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