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KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1987	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:27:00 - [1] - Quote Like many others I decided to put the events 3 M SP into another suit to get a new experience knowing that the SPs will be refunded shortly. So I got the Galente scout and I've been running it for 2 days. I have various fits off course but lets focus on a more "assault fitted suit". So I get 160 shields 470 armor with a 6.25 passive rep, and an Allotek hive to get that armor back when I'm in a tight spot. Its fast, semi stealthy and wields proto weapons. Yes its obviously not a dual tanked logi fit with 1000 HP but it works very well, I've had many solid games with it, several with 30+ kills and 1-3 deaths. I also suppose the dampened speed tanked shotty fit I have is a great one with a little skillpoints invested in the shotty and a little time invested in playing that particular role. Even though the shields are only 160, they still come back extremely fast. I often take 500 points of damage, go to cover, toss down an allotek hive and I'm ready to go. I've also noticed that people hit me way less in this suit. I've gone up against several tanky protosuits front to front and won cause they simply can't track my strafeing. So I ask you, (mostly too) proud scouts of this community, Whats with all the QQ? I've seen thread after thread from scouts claiming their suits, indeed their entire role is UP. I've held my tongue cause I haven't had a scout suit properly specced yet. But after running it for 2 days I just can't see what the big deal is about. Take away the 2 damage mods and the HP and rep speed is almost identical to my Amarr assault. Yes 2 damage mods or 2 shield extenders is more but the Amarr assault would be a much worse suit if I tried to match the scout suits speed and stealth.... What exactly is or soon to be "was" the big deal about scout suits being UP? I don't get it..... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1987	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:34:00 - [2] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: becuase most scouts dont brick tank... So its like: Scout: Oh noes, I have so little HP, just glance at me and I'm dead! Anyone else: Why don't you put some more HP on that suit then? You have plenty of fitting space... Scout: No but then it wouldn't be a proper scout, please buff. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1988	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:49:00 - [3] - Quote Vulcanus Lightbringer wrote: My issue with the scout suit has always been the lack of CPU/PG and since that's been taken care of for 1.8 I have no complaints about it. Oh, and if you're going to scout, why would you build it like a lower-health assault? What's the point of it? I'm more stealthy, faster and agile than the assault suits. The objective is to win the games. With this setup I can sneak around most scanners, I'm fast enough with enough stamina to flank and I'm not totally useless in a straight up fight. This means that I'm capable of doing more than getting a stealth kill and then running away.... The Allotek hive even makes it possible for me to hunker down, I even defeated a fatsuit at semi close range by going in and out of the rep hives, it tokk me 3 sweeps to finally take him out... Just as I've played the logi as a support/assault hybrid ( NOT a slayerlogi) I also seemingly run my scout fitting as a scout/assault hybrid. In any case, both seems to work very well. And I really don't get this with lack of PC/CPU, at least not for the GAL scout, I will believe that the MIN scout is far worse in that regard. Who needs lots of CPU/PG when basic armor plates costs 10-1 to fit???? FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1988	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:53:00 - [4] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Ignore the nonsense about brick scouts not being scouts - that's as bad as the saying logis that get high kill counts aren't logis. Also, if you're actually managing to strafe dodge full-frontal, then I'm assuming you're using kb/m? Because I've never seen anyone using DS3 be able to strafe dodger face to face at all. DS3 all the way. But I'm not exactly standing in the same spot like so many M/KB players do, I sircle strafe and more. I still get lots of scenarioes even in my sluggish Cal logi where I can strafe away from someone's tracking, it just happens way more frequent in this suit. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1988	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:58:00 - [5] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Most scouts don't run with an allotek nanohive Most gallente scouts don't run with more than 300ish armor Scouts are meant for being fast, being sneaky, and E-war. Most scouts complain because they get killed way too quickly...mostly because high alpha weapons don't let them retaliate, and scanners can detect them sneaking up on players. You can brick tank anything and do decent with it, especially if you have good weapons. If a scout can't scout because of broken weapons and mechanics, what's the point of the advantages it has? This is why 1.8 will be the update scouts have been wanting forever. Yeah, my general setup would be mediocre in PC at best. There its all about stealth and super fast shottys. I'm not saying thats easy, but I have faced a fair share of very good scouts in PC. And I dunno about "can't" scout, the scout suit don't have an EHP advantage over a dampened med suit but they have a huge speed/stamina advantage... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1988	Posted - 2014.03.21 09:09:00 - [6] - Quote Yan Darn wrote: KingBabar wrote: Like many others I decided to put the events 3 M SP into another suit to get a new experience knowing that the SPs will be refunded shortly. So I got the Galente scout and I've been running it for 2 days. I have various fits off course but lets focus on a more "assault fitted suit". So I get 160 shields 470 armor with a 6.25 passive rep, and an Allotek hive to get that armor back when I'm in a tight spot. Its fast, semi stealthy and wields proto weapons. Yes its obviously not a dual tanked logi fit with 1000 HP but it works very well, I've had many solid games with it, several with 30+ kills and 1-3 deaths. I also suppose the dampened speed tanked shotty fit I have is a great one with a little skillpoints invested in the shotty and a little time invested in playing that particular role. Even though the shields are only 160, they still come back extremely fast. I often take 500 points of damage, go to cover, toss down an allotek hive and I'm ready to go.I've also noticed that people hit me way less in this suit. I've gone up against several tanky protosuits front to front and won cause they simply can't track my strafeing. So I ask you, (mostly too) proud scouts of this community, Whats with all the QQ? I've seen thread after thread from scouts claiming their suits, indeed their entire role is UP. What exactly is or soon to be "was" the big deal about scout suits being UP? I don't get it..... You kinda said it all youself... I underlined the most imporant part. You seemed to have ignored it when you created your brick tanked assault scout that you have admitted isn't as good as your other options when pursuing such things. You may not have noticed that the scout requires a lot more SP to make viable than other options. Or are you saying 'wow all this scouts being UP stuff was nonsense - if only I'd known sooner, otherwise I soooo wouldn't have gone proto logi - what a shame, I would have spent the past several months proving scouts aren't UP - by playing them instead of my other suits, now I only have a few days to prove the QQers wrong...' PS I don't know about you, but I do much better in my scout when backed up by high SP proto stomp Squad. More SP than other suits to be viable? Really? Tell that to my logi suit.... Off course it isn't better at assaulting than the assault suits are.... doh. I'm merely stating that they're surprisngly good at the job, when properly fitted. No I wouldn't have specced scout regardless, I like to have more than 1 equipment slot.... And don't get me wrong here, I do look foreward to the 1.8 change, I'll finally get back to my true role, the scout. I used scout suits for 3 of the 4 beta builds and it was merely the removal of that second equiment slot for proto suits that made me switch to logi suits, I wanna do a little more than shoot people and restock my ammo... My point is more of the line of: "yes the light frames are weaker, but they're far from as useless as many of the forum scout QQers have presented them as." Many of you have been acting like its as useless as contact nades.... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1988	Posted - 2014.03.21 09:17:00 - [7] - Quote STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: Run PC and wait til someone you killed decides to be a **** and run permascans with the focused then all your advantages disappear lol. Thats really what I've found to be the worst thing for me in any match, especially PC. Currently tha scanner takes 5 seconds to use, ample time to kill the user, and it will only show you on the map for 5 seconds, then the scanner has a 25 second cooldown. For this to be effective the other team needs 4-6 of these in action spread among 2-4 players. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1989	Posted - 2014.03.21 10:06:00 - [8] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Django Quik wrote: Ignore the nonsense about brick scouts not being scouts - that's as bad as the saying logis that get high kill counts aren't logis. Also, if you're actually managing to strafe dodge full-frontal, then I'm assuming you're using kb/m? Because I've never seen anyone using DS3 be able to strafe dodger face to face at all. But that's exactly what this community expect logis just doing logi stuff, scout are just there to die, heavies should be stationary turrets..... Regarding the OP. 1. any brick tanked suit can do in pubs (ok you don't even to brick tank). Most scouts don't think we need more hp because we wan't to SCOUT, not necessarily chasing the latest FOTM weapon and brick tank to be of any use. What's the point of having different suits and roles if the only way to be of any use is stack armor and kill suff like assaults?? Right we could simply remove all but assault suits...what most (real) scouts want is to have a role apart from killing stuff because I can do this with other suits in a better way I don't need to use to lowest hp suit with a nimble speed advantage (that gets negated by armor plates) or a lower profile... I want to actually play as scout sneaking behind enemy lines provide intel, and get rewarded for doing so. Unfortunately CCP forces us to be light slayers as this is the only way for scouts to get a reasonable amount of WP (independent from game modes) And in that regard scouts gets simply outclassed. And just because a good player can be good in that suit against weaker players doesn't change the underlying problem. Well you sort of nailed it. For winning a battle: - Kill the enemy. - Kill the enemy and take his point. - Defend the point by killing the enemy. I don't see the "scout" part of it, whats it supposed to be? Gathering intelligence? I'd much rather take a sniper on top calling stuff out or indeed a post 1.8 Galente logi with dual scanners. "Be sneaky"? to accomplish what? - Other than ninja hacking the enemy objectives making them strip their "frontline" to hold on to their more homely points, are there only things I can't think of? And in this role the scout far outshines any other suit, no one has the stelth/speed/stamina combo of the scouts. The role of a "true scout" IMO would be to be a pest and plague to the other team. You'd normally stay between the enemy main spawn and the main area of fighting, if possible. Being sneaky you engage singe targets and get the drop on them before they can join the rest of their group making their main fotce comparably weaker than yours at the point of contestation. You shouldn't get any sort of WP just to be sneaky, but you do get WPs for all the sneaky kills you get and indeed al the sneaky hacks you pull off no? Be it a logi, heavy, scout or Regnyums grandma, you're still all soldiers, the objective is to kill the enemy and gain map control due to dominating the other team and win the game. The scout is a slightly different take on how to achieve that goal compared to an Assault, you still have a gun, you can still hack and on top of it you can sneak around, going much faster and further than the other suits. I still don't get the massive amount of QQ the scouts have put on these forums for, well, its a whole year now isn't it? FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1995	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:04:00 - [9] - Quote I'm off for a short nap and come back to all of this. - To the dude with the vid challenge: I'll do a solo play with med suit and a pair of basic pistols, I don't have any nova skills and I don't think using a bran new and very different weapon is a good test of a suits capabilities anyway. - I started at launch with a proto caldari logi and a maxed out AR and halfways maxed out core skills. For me to use it and make any sort of viable oppinion about it I have to use a proto suit. I can't simply run a dragonfly and compare it to my 900 HP PC Callogi fit....lets be real here. - All you babies claiming I should use the suit this or that way, you're all morons. I tested various setups, I used one very much which had a proto scanner, a dampener and about 300 armor. Great fun with the added challenge of running out of ammo and relying on my basic scrambler, I got 6 kills one time before running out of that ammo too, mellee didn't go so well...... - I've had tons of fun on a lighter (2 basic plates) version wich can fit a freedom mass driver and proto flux nades while being dampened. Yes very situational but I had some very amusing moments sneaking up on groups of triage-hive camping slowsies. - I used the "assault setup" just to illustrate that you can get 630 HP and a Godly Allotek hive on it, even with a proto weapon. It was a way for me to test the suit in the role its NOT supposed to be good at, straight up attack, assaulting is a word that comes to mind. I'm no great snaky ninja with Master RE tossing skills, I'm merely a grunt who drags along some equipment while I try and smite all the reds on my way to the objective. I can only imagine how good a scout suit works with those deadly knives or 1-2 shot for a kill shottys, in a more stealthy, much faster "classic scout" sort of way. - And the winner goes to however said something about me standing around in the outskirts with long range weapons. LOL FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2000	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:31:00 - [10] - Quote Protected Void wrote: Babar: To sum it up, unless you have tried at least three at a time of the following - for at least 100 matches - your argument is simply not valid: Run in an advanced level scout suit Run solo or in a squad with a maximum of two other players, of which only one runs mostly proto gear Run a scout suit prior to Uprising 1.7 (it was harder before) Face a squad of proto players using proto scanners (any proto scanner, not just the focused) Run a scout suit without having your core skills maxed out I have all my relevant fitting skills maxed out, here's what I can fit on my advanced level Gallente scout: Advanced level Scrambler rifle Toxin SMG blueprint Advanced level locus grenade Complex KinCat Complex range extender Complex Shield extender The cheapest uplink (stable?) That's right, not enough CPU/PG to even put anything in my second high slot. Or, I can replace the uplink with the cheapest nanohive and bathe in the luxury of a basic shield extender extra. Hoorah! And no, running proto is not economically viable in most matches. I have proto fittings that I tend to do better in than in my advanced fittings, but that's kind of null and void when two deaths equal a net loss of 150000 ISK or so - even if I top the leaderboard and my team wins the match. Thats probably the most ludacris setup I've ever seen. Seriously, if we had a sarcastic "This is the setup I actually use" competition, you'd probably win. WOW just WOW. You're not exactly helping the "scouts are UP" crowd here. On a related note. I do think the minmatar scout looks very weak on paper for doing anything but being a ninja nova knifer and soon also ninja hacker. Its a specialist suit that reminds me of the Amarr assault. I also don't think its fair to judge the assault class after the Minmatar assault suit.... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.

KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2001	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:44:00 - [11] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: well you didn't understand the problem. we complained that everything our suits could do another suit could do better which is a completely legitimate argument. 1.8 ends that though with cloaking scouts can now do something better than any other suit can. Curious. I was under the impression that scouts QQ mostly was about them being way too easy to kill, and by extension wasn't a relevant class. Anyways, I do see the "all other classes can do it better" arguent, and I reject it. So many here take it for solid fact that the logi suits are better at assaulting than the assault suits are, but I'm very convinced of the fact that both my Ammar assault and my Caldari assault is far more deadly than my sluggish caldari logi is. In the same way I do believe that when trying to run and flank in a stealthy setup trying to literrally backstab, or do it with a shotgun, the scout suit is the best suit for it. No other suit can match the move/stamina/stealth combo which is vital for that sort of play. In a way, the two best closeup weapons, nova knife and shotty is kind of reserved for the class, by tradition at least. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2001	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:46:00 - [12] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Babar, you seem to be completely ignoring the very important point I and others have made several other times - the proto gallente scout is the least UP of all the scout suits and was always the one with the least problems. You can't just wear the most powerful suit, think it's fine and then declare all scout suits as fine. I know it's totally against your nature but if you really wanted to get an objective view of where all our scout complaints are coming from, you'll try a different suit, like the advanced gallente scout, since you already have that unlocked. I'm on it. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2005	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:49:00 - [13] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: KingBabar wrote: What exactly is or soon to be "was" the big deal about scout suits being UP? I don't get it..... Scouts are OP. It just takes a brain. The tactical application of a scout is myriad. Everyone wants to be an assault with it. That's fine if you understand you will lose a fair fight. I set rules to follow and if I keep my role in mind I don't die. I've stalked whole squads, murdering at every turn in the road. Once you cause the fear even hardened mercs get jumpy. I may be a bit unorthadox but a Duvolle on a GK.O is the best Imo. Funny you should mention that... it was the last thing I tested an it was gold. That accurate hipfire with that strafe speed... I only played 2-3 games. looking foreward for more. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2006	Posted - 2014.03.21 16:01:00 - [14] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: KingBabar wrote: knight of 6 wrote: well you didn't understand the problem. we complained that everything our suits could do another suit could do better which is a completely legitimate argument. 1.8 ends that though with cloaking scouts can now do something better than any other suit can. Curious. I was under the impression that scouts QQ mostly was about them being way too easy to kill, and by extension wasn't a relevant class. Anyways, I do see the "all other classes can do it better" arguent, and I reject it. So many here take it for solid fact that the logi suits are better at assaulting than the assault suits are, but I'm very convinced of the fact that both my Ammar assault and my Caldari assault is far more deadly than my sluggish caldari logi is. In the same way I do believe that when trying to run and flank in a stealthy setup trying to literrally backstab, or do it with a shotgun, the scout suit is the best suit for it. No other suit can match the move/stamina/stealth combo which is vital for that sort of play. In a way, the two best closeup weapons, nova knife and shotty is kind of reserved for the class, by tradition at least. scout logi do i get a prize? Link doesn't work, in any case, I have used the caldari logi with speed and or stealth but its still not as good combined (stealth+speed+stamina) as a scout suit is and it lacks a sidearm... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2006	Posted - 2014.03.21 16:06:00 - [15] - Quote InsidiousN wrote: KingBabar wrote: I'm off for a short nap and come back to all of this. - To the dude with the vid challenge: I'll do a solo play with med suit and a pair of basic pistols, I don't have any nova skills and I don't think using a bran new and very different weapon is a good test of a suits capabilities anyway. - I started at launch with a proto caldari logi and a maxed out AR and halfways maxed out core skills. For me to use it and make any sort of viable oppinion about it I have to use a proto suit. I can't simply run a dragonfly and compare it to my 900 HP PC Callogi fit....lets be real here. - All you babies claiming I should use the suit this or that way, you're all morons. I tested various setups, I used one very much which had a proto scanner, a dampener and about 300 armor. Great fun with the added challenge of running out of ammo and relying on my basic scrambler, I got 6 kills one time before running out of that ammo too, mellee didn't go so well...... - I've had tons of fun on a lighter (2 basic plates) version wich can fit a freedom mass driver and proto flux nades while being dampened. Yes very situational but I had some very amusing moments sneaking up on groups of triage-hive camping slowsies. - I used the "assault setup" just to illustrate that you can get 630 HP and a Godly Allotek hive on it, even with a proto weapon. It was a way for me to test the suit in the role its NOT supposed to be good at, straight up attack, assaulting is a word that comes to mind. I'm no great snaky ninja with Master RE tossing skills, I'm merely a grunt who drags along some equipment while I try and smite all the reds on my way to the objective. I can only imagine how good a scout suit works with those deadly knives or 1-2 shot for a kill shottys, in a more stealthy, much faster "classic scout" sort of way. - And the winner goes to however said something about me standing around in the outskirts with long range weapons. LOL Have you fought against anyone other than garbage pub match players? Have you fought against a squad with proto scanners? Most importantly, have you fulfilled a role to help you team achieve victory and not just earn some 1v1 kills for yourself, such as hacking, capturing, and holding letters or using uplinks to move your squad strategically around the map? No uplinks but othervise I've played like I usually do. I've fased a couple of scaners but most of them shrug off. I haven't tried it for PC, but I don't think I'd use a setup like any of the ones I have in PC. I'd go full stealth and shotty, with uplinks. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2009	Posted - 2014.03.21 21:17:00 - [16] - Quote Protected Void wrote: KingBabar wrote: Protected Void wrote: Babar: To sum it up, unless you have tried at least three at a time of the following - for at least 100 matches - your argument is simply not valid: Run in an advanced level scout suit Run solo or in a squad with a maximum of two other players, of which only one runs mostly proto gear Run a scout suit prior to Uprising 1.7 (it was harder before) Face a squad of proto players using proto scanners (any proto scanner, not just the focused) Run a scout suit without having your core skills maxed out I have all my relevant fitting skills maxed out, here's what I can fit on my advanced level Gallente scout: Advanced level Scrambler rifle Toxin SMG blueprint Advanced level locus grenade Complex KinCat Complex range extender Complex Shield extender The cheapest uplink (stable?) That's right, not enough CPU/PG to even put anything in my second high slot. Or, I can replace the uplink with the cheapest nanohive and bathe in the luxury of a basic shield extender extra. Hoorah! And no, running proto is not economically viable in most matches. I have proto fittings that I tend to do better in than in my advanced fittings, but that's kind of null and void when two deaths equal a net loss of 150000 ISK or so - even if I top the leaderboard and my team wins the match. Thats probably the most ludacris setup I've ever seen. Seriously, if we had a sarcastic "This is the setup I actually use" competition, you'd probably win. WOW just WOW. You're not exactly helping the "scouts are UP" crowd here. On a related note. I do think the minmatar scout looks very weak on paper for doing anything but being a ninja nova knifer and soon also ninja hacker. Its a specialist suit that reminds me of the Amarr assault. I also don't think its fair to judge the assault class after the Minmatar assault suit.... Right...so instead of actually trying to disprove my point, you resort to baseless insults (what makes my setup ludicrous? How doesn't it help the "scouts are UP" crowd?) and change the subject. Very much like my friend's little brother. Whenever he can't think of any way to counter other people's arguments, he just goes "Well, ur dumb" and creates a distraction. So, are you going to provide proper arguments, or are you just going to insist that you're right based solely on the fact that you've made up your mind? You seriously want me to take you seriously after coming up with a fitting like that? I don't need to explain anything to you, if you fit your suits like that then we're on different planets in terms of whats a good competitive setup. Yes I could go on about how the fitting cost of both the weapon and Kin Cat is a waste on such a low end suit, I could go on about how the range extender gives you next to nothing, is it what? 5 or 10 , extra meters passive scan? How the mix off speed tanking doesn't fit with the use of the gun with the second longest range. Why use a range amp over a dampener? Its insane. With that gun I'd go for tanking or stealth, definately not passive scan and speed.... I could go on. In this case I'm not your little brother at a loss for words trying to derail the debate. You're the ittle kid who doesn't have a basic understanding of the game leading to the rest of us mostly "debating over your head". I mean, you don't even get the obvious part so any wonder I don't trust you to be the epiffany of wisdom in this area.... Note to self: Stop trying to argue with the plebs, they have a totally different point of refference. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2010	Posted - 2014.03.21 22:14:00 - [17] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: King Babar leads me to believe he is a troll, or at the very least doesn't understand what a scout is after calling protected void's fit ludicrous. That is a totally legit scout fit, and not unlike a lot of fits scouts wear. Filthy tourists... I've got about 30-50 K kills in a scout suit during Beta, so dunno about that tourist remark. And if this is what lots of scouts wear then I'm startng to see a pattern here. No dampening on a scout suit like that? While the entire playerbase does 360s with their scanners? FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2010	Posted - 2014.03.21 22:20:00 - [18] - Quote Spademan wrote: Babar, the thing is, you seem to have one playstyle, birck tank and start shooting. Now, there's nothing wrong with this, but here's the problem: This shouldn't be the only viable playstyle, speed needs to be viable, dampening needs to be viable, a scanning fit (no not active, passive) should be viable, a melee/ninja fit has to be viable, and in 1.8 they might very well be. This game needs variety, not the same old slap as much health on a suit and point your gun at the enemy. Yeah you obviously know me.... FYI I normally run low HP fits in favor of dampening. My pub cal logi fit only has 780 HP, which isn't much considered its a proto cal logi suit, and that I don't have any dmg mods on it. For the last month or so I've run a a purely shield tanked (the madness!!!) caldari assault, with a CPU extender and 2 proto dampeners... I used the brick tanked way of playing to test the suit on the area its not supposed tp be good at. I don't always brick tank and I don't only have one playstyle FFS. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2019	Posted - 2014.03.22 05:48:00 - [19] - Quote Report after day 3: - Still a very good suit. I have mostly run dual scrambler pistols, Creodron breach AR, Carthum assault scrambler rifle and some Boundless CR. I have changed my fitting to be 349 armor, 160 shields, I put on a proto dampener. - Best game was 33-1 with the CR, I redlined myself... - I had several games with around 20 kills and 2-3 deaths with both the pistols and the breach ar. - The pistols are probably the most fun way to play Dust IMO, I made a mental note of speccing into them later. - I had forgotten what long effective range the A scr has while still being good in cqc. - There is something magical happening, sometimes, when you combine a Creadron AR's hipfire with a scouts strafing. I was amazed after taking on several HMG fattys 1 vs 1 up front in CQC, it will be exciting to see after 1.8 The added stealth and speed more than makes up for reduced base stats and fitting IMO. On top of being versatile and capable in all I've tried it for so far, it comes with the added bonus of being much more fun to play. Edit: I just remembered: Worst game was a 21-9 skirm we lost, and a 6-3 ambush we won. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.

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