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Django Quik
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Posted - 2014.03.21 08:44:00 -
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IMHO there was never that much a problem with proto scouts because they get the extra fittings room and particularly the gallente get 4 low slots. My problem was always with the advanced suit because you can't fit any tank on it and even using 2x advanced sidearms I need a CPU mod, which takes up one of my tank slots.
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
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Posted - 2014.03.21 08:49:00 -
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Ignore the nonsense about brick scouts not being scouts - that's as bad as the saying logis that get high kill counts aren't logis.
Also, if you're actually managing to strafe dodge full-frontal, then I'm assuming you're using kb/m? Because I've never seen anyone using DS3 be able to strafe dodger face to face at all.
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
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Posted - 2014.03.21 08:58:00 -
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If you really want to know what the problems are with scout suits, try running an advanced one.
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Django Quik
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Posted - 2014.03.21 10:19:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Well you sort of nailed it.
For winning a battle:
- Kill the enemy.
- Kill the enemy and take his point.
- Defend the point by killing the enemy.
I don't see the "scout" part of it, whats it supposed to be?
Gathering intelligence? I'd much rather take a sniper on top calling stuff out or indeed a post 1.8 Galente logi with dual scanners.
"Be sneaky"? to accomplish what? - Other than ninja hacking the enemy objectives making them strip their "frontline" to hold on to their more homely points, are there more things I can't think of? And in this role the scout far outshines any other suit, no one has the stelth/speed/stamina combo of the scouts.
The role of a "true scout" IMO would be to be a pest and plague to the other team. You'd normally stay between the enemy main spawn and the main area of fighting, if possible. Being sneaky you engage singe targets and get the drop on them before they can join the rest of their group making their main fotce comparably weaker than yours at the point of contestation. You shouldn't get any sort of WP just to be sneaky, but you do get WPs for all the sneaky kills you get and indeed al the sneaky hacks you pull off no?
Be it a logi, heavy, scout or Regnyums grandma, you're still all soldiers, the objective is to kill the enemy and gain map control due to dominating the other team and win the game. The scout is a slightly different take on how to achieve that goal compared to an Assault, you still have a gun, you can still hack and on top of it you can sneak around, going much faster and further than the other suits. I still don't get the massive amount of QQ the scouts have put on these forums for, well, its a whole year now isn't it?
I was nodding until the last line there but you've mostly got the right idea.
In PC I do exactly as you describe in your last paragraph and I usually end up middle of the team for WP, though woefully low in terms of kills because most of my time is spent hacking and rehacking the enemy home point. I can do this because in PC I can stack hacking mods, dampeners and tank as well as using proto weapons because proto suits allow that sort of fitting to be possible.
In pubs I wear advanced gear and that's where scouts fall down - the gap between advanced and proto is MASSIVE. If you only look at CPU per slot, the proto gallente actually looks alright compared to other classes but the advanced is horrible! You don't have this problem with any of the advanced medium suits and I'd say that any class that requires you to be in a proto suit to do well has a problem.
Of course there are players that do very well in advanced scout suits too but we're the top 100 ones who have been playing them religiously for the entirety of Uprising. Great players will be great players even in mlt gear - they are not the ones to dictate balance around.
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
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Posted - 2014.03.21 12:12:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:KingBabar wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:becuase most scouts dont brick tank...
So its like: Scout: Oh noes, I have so little HP, just glance at me and I'm dead! Anyone else: Why don't you put some more HP on that suit then? You have plenty of fitting space... Scout: No but then it wouldn't be a proper scout, please buff. This is the problem with Dust. There is no fitting metagame. There is only brick-tanking.
Maybe this will change with lower TTK in 1.8. Perhaps rep tanking will actually be viable... perhaps and maybe...
But I shall reiterate one more time for everyone - stop douching on brick tank scouts; if it's possible, it's a perfectly acceptable suit as any other combination in the game is.
For Babar, just try brick tanking anything other than the proto gallente scout and you'll quickly see our issues.
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
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Posted - 2014.03.21 14:36:00 -
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Babar, you seem to be completely ignoring the very important point I and others have made several other times - the proto gallente scout is the least UP of all the scout suits and was always the one with the least problems. You can't just wear the most powerful suit, think it's fine and then declare all scout suits as fine.
I know it's totally against your nature but if you really wanted to get an objective view of where all our scout complaints are coming from, you'll try a different suit, like the advanced gallente scout, since you already have that unlocked.
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Django Quik
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Posted - 2014.03.22 15:56:00 -
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I see you're still using a proto suit - any reports from the advanced sides of things?
Also, are any of those scores anything like what you get in your medium suits? How have you been measuring up against the rest of your squad? Tried running it solo or with a squad of randoms?
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Django Quik
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Posted - 2014.03.22 16:24:00 -
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Anyone who thinks scouts have been complaining because they aren't able to kill is barking up the wrong tree.
We've been complaining because the things that are supposed to be our strengths have been totally surpassed by cheap tactics like perma-spin-scanners and omniscient installations and magnetic-aiming and shot-stopping and weapon bugs and long range weapons being killer at all ranges and so many other things.
And if you want to be a stealthy assault, you can always chuck on a couple of complex dampeners on an assault or logi and you're there - the speed advantage is negligible because of some of the things mentioned above and the hit-box difference is largely negated by aim-assist, though both still have an impact in the right hands.
Most of all, player skill trumps ALL, so a top player will wipe the floor even running a mlt starter fit - does that mean no one else should ever need anything other than the mlt starter fits?
Didn't think so.
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Django Quik
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Posted - 2014.03.22 23:01:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Here's the explanation: scouts aren't UP, just most people who try them are idiots.
Also, never try to speed tank; that's ********.
LoS tank instead- if you've never heard of it, it's Line-of-sight tanking: at close range, keep trying to get behind your target. At long range, when you're moving in, always move in a way that blocks your target's line of sight. Even if all you're throwing between you is a lightpost, it's still something to eat up a few bullets for you while you get closer.
You can LoS tank in any suit, even a heavy frame. If you want to be stealthy, stick on s couple of dampeners and you're as good as a scout, except for the fact that if someone just happens to turn around and catch you, you're not going to get killed before you can press the trigger.
Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot
Scout community is the nuts
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