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Darken-Soul
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Posted - 2014.03.21 14:46:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Like many others I decided to put the events 3 M SP into another suit to get a new experience knowing that the SPs will be refunded shortly. So I got the Galente scout and I've been running it for 2 days.
I have various fits off course but lets focus on a more "assault fitted suit". So I get 160 shields 470 armor with a 6.25 passive rep, and an Allotek hive to get that armor back when I'm in a tight spot. Its fast, semi stealthy and wields proto weapons.
Yes its obviously not a dual tanked logi fit with 1000 HP but it works very well, I've had many solid games with it, several with 30+ kills and 1-3 deaths. I also suppose the dampened speed tanked shotty fit I have is a great one with a little skillpoints invested in the shotty and a little time invested in playing that particular role.
Even though the shields are only 160, they still come back extremely fast. I often take 500 points of damage, go to cover, toss down an allotek hive and I'm ready to go. I've also noticed that people hit me way less in this suit. I've gone up against several tanky protosuits front to front and won cause they simply can't track my strafeing.
So I ask you, (mostly too) proud scouts of this community, Whats with all the QQ?
I've seen thread after thread from scouts claiming their suits, indeed their entire role is UP. I've held my tongue cause I haven't had a scout suit properly specced yet. But after running it for 2 days I just can't see what the big deal is about. Take away the 2 damage mods and the HP and rep speed is almost identical to my Amarr assault. Yes 2 damage mods or 2 shield extenders is more but the Amarr assault would be a much worse suit if I tried to match the scout suits speed and stealth....
What exactly is or soon to be "was" the big deal about scout suits being UP? I don't get it..... Scouts are OP. It just takes a brain. The tactical application of a scout is myriad. Everyone wants to be an assault with it. That's fine if you understand you will lose a fair fight. I set rules to follow and if I keep my role in mind I don't die. I've stalked whole squads, murdering at every turn in the road. Once you cause the fear even hardened mercs get jumpy. I may be a bit unorthadox but a Duvolle on a GK.O is the best Imo.
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Darken-Soul
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Posted - 2014.03.21 14:56:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Babar, you seem to be completely ignoring the very important point I and others have made several other times - the proto gallente scout is the least UP of all the scout suits and was always the one with the least problems. You can't just wear the most powerful suit, think it's fine and then declare all scout suits as fine.
I know it's totally against your nature but if you really wanted to get an objective view of where all our scout complaints are coming from, you'll try a different suit, like the advanced gallente scout, since you already have that unlocked.
I have both. My MK.O is great for guerrilla tactics. Its a different fight than the Gallente scout. With my GK.O or dragonfly I have less time spent in combat roles. The minmatar seems built for terrorist attacks. Hang around engagement zones and cleanup. I never run knives. I dont see the point.
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Darken-Soul
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Posted - 2014.03.21 15:03:00 -
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Xaviah Reaper wrote:If scouts want to be able to play as a "proper" scout, being an untrackable, super fast, squishy assassin. The suits sprint speed should be near doubled, and prevent any extra health mods from being added to its base hp. That way they have like 200hp, but are incredibly hard to hit. problem solved?
the only use I've found for speed tanking is throwing uplinks at the beginning of a match. Just stock they are fast enough for fighting.
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Darken-Soul
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Posted - 2014.03.21 18:03:00 -
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Hansei Kaizen wrote:I find the artificial opposition that is created by identifying with a specific role is a bit counterproductive to the discussion, but I can identify with the frustration about one suit being UP. If the game forces you to specialize, it better balances things out nicely.
I for my part, use the scout to run to the objective, drop an uplink, hack maybe, make 1-2 kills and die (basic scout suit for minimal ISK loss). Then I go in with something else, dependant on the situation. I dont think it is very UP, but I think the scout is the hardest class to find a viable playstyle for. With viable I mean, you can run the suit in different fittings all the match and still contribute, whereas the assault is pretty straightforward.
If there would be some sort of tutorial for "how to scout efficiently" with special regards to different fittings, there may be less misinterpretations what the suit is for and trough that less frustrations with it being not appropriate for the desires of specific players.
Although one of the merits of dust is the freedom to try out something else entirely. Even if UP or, in the end, useless. So making a suit that can only function for one playstyle and one playstyle only, is a bit strange, making this freedom useless too. There seems to be a fine line here, between intended class / role / fitting and freedom of choice. If there is only one really effective playstyle (slaying, as Babar implies), this choice would be a farce. I dont think CCP had this in mind when creating this game, with its various tools and assets, and giving players all these choices. So the definitive answer, imo, should be: Balance it and balance it damn well!
(I mean, as hard as that sounds: Not balance one thing against one other thing, but Balance everything against everything ...)
I got bored half way thru your post. You should be focusing on what you learn in combat, not some tutorial. If you die when you attack 5guys, don't attack 5 guys. If you are getting seen use better angles of attack. Dampening onle gets you so far, line of sight is a ************.
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Posted - 2014.03.21 19:59:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Gall scouts can be pretty good slayers. That's the same way I run my scouts babar. I do really well as well, even in PC.
However I think most of he complaints with the scout suit stem from trying to use ewar and biotic module set up instead of hp set up like u and I use.
I have indeed tried a pure ewar set up with only 1 rep and no tank other than a shield extender and it was pretty damn hard.
I won't say "you're not a real scout" because if that's true, I'm not a real scout either. You're not a real scout.
who is? Scouts gather Intel and deliver messages. Neither of which is very needed in Dust. Anyone can carry a scanner.
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Darken-Soul
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Posted - 2014.03.21 21:50:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Darken-Soul wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Gall scouts can be pretty good slayers. That's the same way I run my scouts babar. I do really well as well, even in PC.
However I think most of he complaints with the scout suit stem from trying to use ewar and biotic module set up instead of hp set up like u and I use.
I have indeed tried a pure ewar set up with only 1 rep and no tank other than a shield extender and it was pretty damn hard.
I won't say "you're not a real scout" because if that's true, I'm not a real scout either. You're not a real scout. who is? Scouts gather Intel and deliver messages. Neither of which is very needed in Dust. Anyone can carry a scanner. The folk running NKs and REs are scouts. The ones dropping uplinks in good spots rather than rooftops, or the ones who have to pick & choose their fights.
you missed my point. I think its funny how NKs are even considered a weapon. The ratio of knife kills to knives that get killed is tiny. They are a party favor and good for a laugh at best. Ouch you got me with those knives after 19tries. That makes a good scout? No wonder good scouts cry all day.
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Darken-Soul
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Posted - 2014.03.22 21:07:00 -
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I love killing scanners. You can guarantee they will have their back turned at some point.(360). I took a few pot shots at a guy and he whips out his scanner.moronic. He died looking the opposite direction.
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