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Mobius Wyvern
Ahrendee Mercenaries
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.21 12:04:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:becuase most scouts dont brick tank...
So its like: Scout: Oh noes, I have so little HP, just glance at me and I'm dead! Anyone else: Why don't you put some more HP on that suit then? You have plenty of fitting space... Scout: No but then it wouldn't be a proper scout, please buff.
This is the problem with Dust.
There is no fitting metagame. There is only brick-tanking.
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Mobius Wyvern
Ahrendee Mercenaries
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.21 12:18:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:No fitting metagame?
Meh, you obviously dont get it :D
How don't I get it, pray tell?
I've watched unique fits with radically different capabilites all die out completely in favor of filling every last slot with plates and extenders, because that's the ONLY way to survive any length of time in a fight.
When the game requires you to strip your fit of any and all utility modules and stack HP just to be able to play, something is wrong.
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Mobius Wyvern
Ahrendee Mercenaries
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.21 12:32:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Its not up, I run a minja that dies if it jumps off a ledge. People are just nubs.
The cloak will make the game stupid very quickly, just like every update we have had yet, it will become fotm and anyone who has been around since beta that thinks otherwise would have to be an idiot, I'm sorry.
Every fking update.
Given you can still scan people even while they're cloaked, and that you can even set up a Caldari Scout to be able to PASSIVE scan people while cloaked even if they're also using Profile Damps, I think you need to drop the bittervet BS and HTFU, son.
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Mobius Wyvern
Ahrendee Mercenaries
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.21 12:47:00 -
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Scout Registry wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:
... and that you can even set up a Caldari Scout to be able to PASSIVE scan people while cloaked even if they're also using Profile Damps ...
 I wish!
Have you tried it?
2x Complex Precision Enhancers, Complex Range Amplifier.
You'll see cloaked Scouts out to 57 meters. The Cloak doesn't make you invisible to scans. It only drops your Scan Profile by 25%.
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Mobius Wyvern
Ahrendee Mercenaries
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.21 12:50:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote:Run PC and wait til someone you killed decides to be a **** and run permascans with the focused then all your advantages disappear lol. Thats really what I've found to be the worst thing for me in any match, especially PC.
I never thought the scout suit was bad, just needed a few adjustments like its getting in 1.8 so I'm thrilled with that. Then get one up on their butthurt arse, brick tank the scout with re's and an ar, start playing like an assault so they end up putting it away, then switch back to ewar fit and carry on. 
That's assuming they would ever not run the scanner. This is PC we're talking about, man. If you pull out a single dampened Scout, the person FCing the fight is going to call for at least one guy to run as high-tier a scanner as possible for the rest of the match.
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Mobius Wyvern
Ahrendee Mercenaries
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.21 13:03:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote:Run PC and wait til someone you killed decides to be a **** and run permascans with the focused then all your advantages disappear lol. Thats really what I've found to be the worst thing for me in any match, especially PC.
I never thought the scout suit was bad, just needed a few adjustments like its getting in 1.8 so I'm thrilled with that. Then get one up on their butthurt arse, brick tank the scout with re's and an ar, start playing like an assault so they end up putting it away, then switch back to ewar fit and carry on. That's assuming they would ever not run the scanner. This is PC we're talking about, man. If you pull out a single dampened Scout, the person FCing the fight is going to call for at least one guy to run as high-tier a scanner as possible for the rest of the match. It all depends. I'm hiding your posts because you are actually behaving like my little sister when she was 16 trying to be all picky, its really sad lol.
Okay, so this is why my compatriots say there's no point in discussing anything with you.
Noted. I just won't even bother now.
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Mobius Wyvern
Ahrendee Mercenaries
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.21 19:05:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Hansei Kaizen wrote:I find the artificial opposition that is created by identifying with a specific role is a bit counterproductive to the discussion, but I can identify with the frustration about one suit being UP. If the game forces you to specialize, it better balances things out nicely.
I for my part, use the scout to run to the objective, drop an uplink, hack maybe, make 1-2 kills and die (basic scout suit for minimal ISK loss). Then I go in with something else, dependant on the situation. I dont think it is very UP, but I think the scout is the hardest class to find a viable playstyle for. With viable I mean, you can run the suit in different fittings all the match and still contribute, whereas the assault is pretty straightforward.
If there would be some sort of tutorial for "how to scout efficiently" with special regards to different fittings, there may be less misinterpretations what the suit is for and trough that less frustrations with it being not appropriate for the desires of specific players.
Although one of the merits of dust is the freedom to try out something else entirely. Even if UP or, in the end, useless. So making a suit that can only function for one playstyle and one playstyle only, is a bit strange, making this freedom useless too. There seems to be a fine line here, between intended class / role / fitting and freedom of choice. If there is only one really effective playstyle (slaying, as Babar implies), this choice would be a farce. I dont think CCP had this in mind when creating this game, with its various tools and assets, and giving players all these choices. So the definitive answer, imo, should be: Balance it and balance it damn well! Tiericide, done.
Now THAT is something we can agree on.
I still hold out hope that it will someday come.
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